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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri May 13, 2022 8:09 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
10 year term limit?

keep it as is, throw the republicans out


Yeah, that is hard when you have a country as polarized our country is, and the fact that we hate each other. Republicans are here to stay
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri May 13, 2022 8:13 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Even if true, so?

not only am i not the cookware, your shitty authoritarian party's doing what i literally said it has done


"Your shitty authoritarian party" Says the guy advocating murder and totalitarian rule.

You'd be funny, if only you could tone down the irony a tad.

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Postby Umeria » Fri May 13, 2022 8:16 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:keep it as is, throw the republicans out

Yeah, that is hard when you have a country as polarized our country is, and the fact that we hate each other. Republicans are here to stay

The country is only "polarized" on inconsqeuential culture war issues that the powerful have conditioned us to believe are important. On the issues that matter the overwhelming majority of Americans agree. We also don't hate each other, we translate our instinctual hatred of the elite into hatred of an abstract supporter of what we believe to be that elite.

That being said, simply throwing the conservative justices out of the court is impossible for other reasons.
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri May 13, 2022 8:20 pm

Umeria wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:Yeah, that is hard when you have a country as polarized our country is, and the fact that we hate each other. Republicans are here to stay

The country is only "polarized" on inconsqeuential culture war issues that the powerful have conditioned us to believe are important. On the issues that matter the overwhelming majority of Americans agree. We also don't hate each other, we translate our instinctual hatred of the elite into hatred of an abstract supporter of what we believe to be that elite.

That being said, simply throwing the conservative justices out of the court is impossible for other reasons.


I would consider prison or death to be somewhat consequential.

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Postby Moscareinas » Fri May 13, 2022 8:22 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:not only am i not the cookware, your shitty authoritarian party's doing what i literally said it has done


"Your shitty authoritarian party" Says the guy advocating murder and totalitarian rule.

You'd be funny, if only you could tone down the irony a tad.

you guys put trump in power
you guys did everything you could to fuck the us and the world up
you guys sozzled up to fucking authoritarians
you guys thwarted measures to get on top of this pandemic
you guys attempted a fucking insurrection just to ensure trump stays in power
you guys killed a million people (so far!) and kept this pandemic alive (so far!)
you guys persecute gays, burn books, want women pregnant or else, chase out migrants, and favor authoritarian invasions

and i'm the villain? the pot? the entire bloody cookware? THE AUTHORITARIAN? ME??? WHEN YOU MOTHERFUCKERS KEEP DRIVING NAILS INTO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY JUST SO YOU CAN MISRULE???

THE FUCK??????
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 13, 2022 8:24 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:


Before the Mods come after you for that, might I suggest calming down a bit?

Edit: I wasn't saying I'd send the Mods after you or anything, I just don't want to see posters removed if possible.
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri May 13, 2022 8:24 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
"Your shitty authoritarian party" Says the guy advocating murder and totalitarian rule.

You'd be funny, if only you could tone down the irony a tad.

you guys put trump in power
you guys did everything you could to fuck the us and the world up
you guys sozzled up to fucking authoritarians
you guys thwarted measures to get on top of this pandemic
you guys attempted a fucking insurrection just to ensure trump stays in power
you guys killed a million people (so far!) and kept this pandemic alive (so far!)
you guys persecute gays, burn books, want women pregnant or else, chase out migrants, and favor authoritarian invasions

and i'm the villain? the pot? the entire bloody cookware? THE AUTHORITARIAN? ME??? WHEN YOU MOTHERFUCKERS KEEP DRIVING NAILS INTO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY JUST SO YOU CAN MISRULE???

THE FUCK??????


I wouldn't say you're the villain, you're more like the hype man who sings the echo in Gaston's song.

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Postby Necroghastia » Fri May 13, 2022 8:25 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:not only am i not the cookware, your shitty authoritarian party's doing what i literally said it has done


"Your shitty authoritarian party" Says the guy advocating murder and totalitarian rule.

You'd be funny, if only you could tone down the irony a tad.

lol literally where
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri May 13, 2022 8:26 pm

Umeria wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:Yeah, that is hard when you have a country as polarized our country is, and the fact that we hate each other. Republicans are here to stay

The country is only "polarized" on inconsqeuential culture war issues that the powerful have conditioned us to believe are important. On the issues that matter the overwhelming majority of Americans agree. We also don't hate each other, we translate our instinctual hatred of the elite into hatred of an abstract supporter of what we believe to be that elite.

That being said, simply throwing the conservative justices out of the court is impossible for other reasons.


Those cultural issues are important to many Americans, including myself
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Postby Ors Might » Fri May 13, 2022 8:32 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
"Your shitty authoritarian party" Says the guy advocating murder and totalitarian rule.

You'd be funny, if only you could tone down the irony a tad.

you guys put trump in power
you guys did everything you could to fuck the us and the world up
you guys sozzled up to fucking authoritarians
you guys thwarted measures to get on top of this pandemic
you guys attempted a fucking insurrection just to ensure trump stays in power
you guys killed a million people (so far!) and kept this pandemic alive (so far!)
you guys persecute gays, burn books, want women pregnant or else, chase out migrants, and favor authoritarian invasions

and i'm the villain? the pot? the entire bloody cookware? THE AUTHORITARIAN? ME??? WHEN YOU MOTHERFUCKERS KEEP DRIVING NAILS INTO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY JUST SO YOU CAN MISRULE???

THE FUCK??????

Maybe you should take a step away from this site for a moment and collect yourself. It isn't good to be stressing yourself like this.
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Postby Umeria » Fri May 13, 2022 8:35 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Umeria wrote:The country is only "polarized" on inconsqeuential culture war issues that the powerful have conditioned us to believe are important. On the issues that matter the overwhelming majority of Americans agree. We also don't hate each other, we translate our instinctual hatred of the elite into hatred of an abstract supporter of what we believe to be that elite.

That being said, simply throwing the conservative justices out of the court is impossible for other reasons.

I would consider prison or death to be somewhat consequential.

The overwhelming majority of Americans support ending the drug war & the mass imprisoment it causes. Not the case with the death penalty however support for it has been going down.

Prima Scriptura wrote:Those cultural issues are important to many Americans, including myself

But that doesn't imply polarization or hatred, just an artificial partisanship resulting from those cultural issues despite the fact that on most other issues people agree.
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Postby Moscareinas » Fri May 13, 2022 8:37 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:you guys put trump in power
you guys did everything you could to fuck the us and the world up
you guys sozzled up to fucking authoritarians
you guys thwarted measures to get on top of this pandemic
you guys attempted a fucking insurrection just to ensure trump stays in power
you guys killed a million people (so far!) and kept this pandemic alive (so far!)
you guys persecute gays, burn books, want women pregnant or else, chase out migrants, and favor authoritarian invasions

and i'm the villain? the pot? the entire bloody cookware? THE AUTHORITARIAN? ME??? WHEN YOU MOTHERFUCKERS KEEP DRIVING NAILS INTO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY JUST SO YOU CAN MISRULE???

THE FUCK??????

Maybe you should take a step away from this site for a moment and collect yourself. It isn't good to be stressing yourself like this.

much good it would do me to step away, or step outside and touch grass, or whatever

this world is awash with authoritarians and it is vastly all the worse for it
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri May 13, 2022 8:39 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
"Your shitty authoritarian party" Says the guy advocating murder and totalitarian rule.

You'd be funny, if only you could tone down the irony a tad.

you guys put trump in power
you guys did everything you could to fuck the us and the world up
you guys sozzled up to fucking authoritarians
you guys thwarted measures to get on top of this pandemic
you guys attempted a fucking insurrection just to ensure trump stays in power
you guys killed a million people (so far!) and kept this pandemic alive (so far!)
you guys persecute gays, burn books, want women pregnant or else, chase out migrants, and favor authoritarian invasions


Dude, no one takes his shit seriously, his one liners and obtuse arguments are designed to evoke this then they fan themselves to get over the vapors. No need to catch a warning over it.
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Postby Umeria » Fri May 13, 2022 8:40 pm

Moscareinas wrote:you guys put trump in power
you guys did everything you could to fuck the us and the world up

Both of these are also true for the Democrats.

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Postby Ors Might » Fri May 13, 2022 8:44 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Maybe you should take a step away from this site for a moment and collect yourself. It isn't good to be stressing yourself like this.

much good it would do me to step away, or step outside and touch grass, or whatever

this world is awash with authoritarians and it is vastly all the worse for it

No sense in catching a warning over what's essentially an ideological dispute, yeah? People with disagreeable opinions will still be around to debate and argue with when you're calm and collected, friend.
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Postby Antipatros » Fri May 13, 2022 8:46 pm

Fed's Mester: Need "several months" of inflation moving down to call the peak

Context: The yoy consumer price growth change was 8.3% in April, down from 8.5% in March. Mester (President of the Cleveland Fed) wants to see that continue to decrease before the Fed concludes that inflation is peaking.

I'm somewhat skeptical that inflation has peaked myself. Inflation is being driven strongly by supply-side factors and I don't see those going away any time soon.

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Postby American Legionaries » Fri May 13, 2022 8:46 pm

Umeria wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:I would consider prison or death to be somewhat consequential.

The overwhelming majority of Americans support ending the drug war & the mass imprisoment it causes. Not the case with the death penalty however support for it has been going down.

Prima Scriptura wrote:Those cultural issues are important to many Americans, including myself

But that doesn't imply polarization or hatred, just an artificial partisanship resulting from those cultural issues despite the fact that on most other issues people agree.


The overwhelming majority of Americans may support ending the drug war, but that's not happening, nor is it an effective end to these cultural conflicts if it did.

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri May 13, 2022 8:48 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Umeria wrote:The overwhelming majority of Americans support ending the drug war & the mass imprisoment it causes. Not the case with the death penalty however support for it has been going down.


But that doesn't imply polarization or hatred, just an artificial partisanship resulting from those cultural issues despite the fact that on most other issues people agree.


The overwhelming majority of Americans may support ending the drug war, but that's not happening, nor is it an effective end to these cultural conflicts if it did.


It would save law enforcement time and money to stop arresting people for simple possession. I’m along order to have a guy but I want police to go after people that commit crimes that involve a victim
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 13, 2022 8:52 pm

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Postby Umeria » Fri May 13, 2022 8:54 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Umeria wrote:The overwhelming majority of Americans support ending the drug war & the mass imprisoment it causes. Not the case with the death penalty however support for it has been going down.

The overwhelming majority of Americans may support ending the drug war, but that's not happening, nor is it an effective end to these cultural conflicts if it did.

True on both counts unfortunately. I wish the government was effective and uncorrupted enough to actually take care of these things.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri May 13, 2022 8:58 pm

Umeria wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:The overwhelming majority of Americans may support ending the drug war, but that's not happening, nor is it an effective end to these cultural conflicts if it did.

True on both counts unfortunately. I wish the government was effective and uncorrupted enough to actually take care of these things.


That requires electing pragmatists. Unfortunately, not enough Americans don’t care or view pragmatism as being weak. That feeling is on both the left and the right.
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Postby Sordhau » Fri May 13, 2022 8:58 pm

Moscareinas wrote:you guys put trump in power
you guys did everything you could to fuck the us and the world up
you guys sozzled up to fucking authoritarians
you guys [...] and favor authoritarian invasions


Tbqh the Dems share partial blame for the first and have done the other three themselves so...
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Postby Umeria » Fri May 13, 2022 9:01 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Umeria wrote:True on both counts unfortunately. I wish the government was effective and uncorrupted enough to actually take care of these things.

That requires electing pragmatists. Unfortunately, not enough Americans don’t care or view pragmatism as being weak. That feeling is on both the left and the right.

There is also a very big difference between a politican who says they're pragmatic and one who is actually pragmatic.
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri May 13, 2022 9:06 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Umeria wrote:True on both counts unfortunately. I wish the government was effective and uncorrupted enough to actually take care of these things.


That requires electing pragmatists. Unfortunately, not enough Americans don’t care or view pragmatism as being weak. That feeling is on both the left and the right.


Pragmatic actions aren't mutually exclusive to idealist beliefs.

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri May 13, 2022 9:10 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
That requires electing pragmatists. Unfortunately, not enough Americans don’t care or view pragmatism as being weak. That feeling is on both the left and the right.


Pragmatic actions aren't mutually exclusive to idealist beliefs.


I respectfully but strongly disagree. Chasing the ideal can cause more harm than good. We Americans have to realize that we can’t get 100% of what we want a 100% of the time. We are a liberal democracy, we are going to have different viewpoints on what the ideal society is.
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