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by GuessTheAltAccount » Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:40 pm
Bombadil wrote:My girlfriend wanted me to treat her like a princess, so I arranged for her to be married to a stranger to strengthen our alliance with Poland.
by Tinhampton » Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:47 pm
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:April 18th deadline for renewal of transit mask mandate approaches
by New Visayan Islands » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:07 pm
Tinhampton wrote:I held off on creating yet another Coronavirus Thread on the assumption that Aussie's thread would be unlocked. Which was a Bad assumptionThe United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:April 18th deadline for renewal of transit mask mandate approaches
I would not bet any amount of money on the deadline not being extended
by Page » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:58 pm
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:To reiterate a point from the other thread:
When I worked in China, Shanghai trips on the weekend were like the icing on the cake. I for so long associated urban environments with success and rural ones with failure that even being surrounded by Shanghai's urban infrastructure was something I took as indication that I'd "made it".
Even after hearing of this pandemic originating in China, I thought a place as famous and tourist-y as Shanghai in particular would have treated its citizens a little better; or at least treated expats who could spread the word to the rest of the world better; than they do now. How disillusioning that the city I used to semi-admire screwed up this badly.
Yesterday, after watching only a few videos about the current situation in China, I dreamt that I went back to China for old time's sake (kernel of truth to that depiction, as I feel semi-nostalgic about it; the place is fucked up, but usually it's fucked up in a charming way) and encountered one of my former students there in a wooden office nonchalantly informing me "just so you know, coming to this part of town without a permanent address is a capital offense". Hyperbole, of course, as I've yet to hear of anything THAT extreme, but it's as if my own subconscious is reminding me that were the timing a few years different, all the shit happening to expats in China now could've happened to me.
by CoraSpia » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:39 am
Page wrote:GuessTheAltAccount wrote:To reiterate a point from the other thread:
When I worked in China, Shanghai trips on the weekend were like the icing on the cake. I for so long associated urban environments with success and rural ones with failure that even being surrounded by Shanghai's urban infrastructure was something I took as indication that I'd "made it".
Even after hearing of this pandemic originating in China, I thought a place as famous and tourist-y as Shanghai in particular would have treated its citizens a little better; or at least treated expats who could spread the word to the rest of the world better; than they do now. How disillusioning that the city I used to semi-admire screwed up this badly.
Yesterday, after watching only a few videos about the current situation in China, I dreamt that I went back to China for old time's sake (kernel of truth to that depiction, as I feel semi-nostalgic about it; the place is fucked up, but usually it's fucked up in a charming way) and encountered one of my former students there in a wooden office nonchalantly informing me "just so you know, coming to this part of town without a permanent address is a capital offense". Hyperbole, of course, as I've yet to hear of anything THAT extreme, but it's as if my own subconscious is reminding me that were the timing a few years different, all the shit happening to expats in China now could've happened to me.
The pandemic, among other current events, has really made me reassess my travel ambitions. Just a few years ago I thought maybe by old age, I would see nearly every country in the world, save for those that are just suicidal to enter like North Korea.
Now, it might be a long time if ever before I decide it's actually safe for me to go to China. Even if not for their psychotic covid policies, at this point for all I know I'm on a government list just for all the things I've said on the internet about the Chinese government.
And Russia, this time last year I actually considered going to Moscow and/or St. Petersburg in 2022, but no way I would do that now even if not for sanctions, not after seeing what happened with Britney Griner. Yeah, she is famous and I'm not, but still, you never know when a totalitarian government will kidnap a tourist as a political hostage.
by Ghost Land » Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:08 am
Ifreann wrote:Cross-posting some covid related news from the UK Politics thread: Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak and Prime Minister Boris Johnson are to be fined for violating their own lockdown rules by holding multiple parties at 10 Downing St. and Whitehall. BoJo's wife Carrie Johnson is also being fined.
by Vassenor » Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:12 am
Ghost Land wrote:Ifreann wrote:Cross-posting some covid related news from the UK Politics thread: Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak and Prime Minister Boris Johnson are to be fined for violating their own lockdown rules by holding multiple parties at 10 Downing St. and Whitehall. BoJo's wife Carrie Johnson is also being fined.
Good. Glad they're being held accountable.
by Ghost Land » Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:15 am
by Ifreann » Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:17 am
by GuessTheAltAccount » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:55 pm
CoraSpia wrote:Page wrote:
The pandemic, among other current events, has really made me reassess my travel ambitions. Just a few years ago I thought maybe by old age, I would see nearly every country in the world, save for those that are just suicidal to enter like North Korea.
Now, it might be a long time if ever before I decide it's actually safe for me to go to China. Even if not for their psychotic covid policies, at this point for all I know I'm on a government list just for all the things I've said on the internet about the Chinese government.
And Russia, this time last year I actually considered going to Moscow and/or St. Petersburg in 2022, but no way I would do that now even if not for sanctions, not after seeing what happened with Britney Griner. Yeah, she is famous and I'm not, but still, you never know when a totalitarian government will kidnap a tourist as a political hostage.
Going to china would just feel too much like providing support to their disgusting government. The only issue is that it's now pretty difficult to live a normal life and not buy Chinese goods, so the only people who can really do anything to make a difference are the manufacturers.
Bombadil wrote:My girlfriend wanted me to treat her like a princess, so I arranged for her to be married to a stranger to strengthen our alliance with Poland.
by The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:59 pm
CoraSpia wrote:Going to china would just feel too much like providing support to their disgusting government. The only issue is that it's now pretty difficult to live a normal life and not buy Chinese goods, so the only people who can really do anything to make a difference are the manufacturers.
by Kannap » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:08 pm
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Kannap » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:13 pm
Tinhampton wrote:I held off on creating yet another Coronavirus Thread on the assumption that Aussie's thread would be unlocked. Which was a Bad assumptionThe United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:April 18th deadline for renewal of transit mask mandate approaches
I would not bet any amount of money on the deadline not being extended
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Kannap » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:13 pm
Picairn wrote:West Bromwich Holme wrote:Should Xi Jinping face trial in the International Court of Justice for releasing COVID into the world, or would that be a step too far?
I doubt he'd even be in court over this.
if it were to face court would it be China vs who?
The US would have to stand trial for releasing influenza (Spanish flu) since it originated from Kansas. I think we shouldn't trial countries simply for being the point of origin of diseases.
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:16 pm
Kannap wrote:Tinhampton wrote:I held off on creating yet another Coronavirus Thread on the assumption that Aussie's thread would be unlocked. Which was a Bad assumption
I would not bet any amount of money on the deadline not being extended
Extended until May 3rd
by GuessTheAltAccount » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:18 pm
Picairn wrote:West Bromwich Holme wrote:Should Xi Jinping face trial in the International Court of Justice for releasing COVID into the world, or would that be a step too far?
I doubt he'd even be in court over this.
if it were to face court would it be China vs who?
The US would have to stand trial for releasing influenza (Spanish flu) since it originated from Kansas. I think we shouldn't trial countries simply for being the point of origin of diseases.
Bombadil wrote:My girlfriend wanted me to treat her like a princess, so I arranged for her to be married to a stranger to strengthen our alliance with Poland.
by Aggicificicerous » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:26 pm
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:That's a copout. In a democracy, everyone's responsible for what goes on in their society. The public needs to put pressure on their lawmakers to either gradually raise tariffs on Chinese goods, or gradually phase out trade with China. "Manufacturers" are just responding to market incentives, just like everyone else.
As for going to China, is that really any worse than buying Chinese goods? Either way you're contributing somewhat to its economy, but at least if you go to China; at least in the context of an actual work term instead of some guided tour; you can see with your own eyes what the country housing a sixth of the world's population is like, without having to guess completely blindly about which vlogger to believe. (Serpentza's videos, at least those I've seen thus far, are the ones most consistent with my experiences.) If you buy Chinese goods without ever visiting the country that made them, you don't get an irreplaceable first-hand view of the country, just some marginal savings on cost. And then the quality often isn't as high anyway.
Either decision is a deal with the devil, but if it weren't for the current situation, the former would at least be a means to more meaningful ends.
It's like the don't-post-on-4chan half-measure; people rightly point out that they can't lawfully outlaw 4chan altogether, but then they turn around and look for a middle ground between participation and outlawing and decide it's best not to post there at all, but that just gives you less insight into what makes them tick and fewer other ideas on what to do about them.
by Izandai » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:19 pm
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:Picairn wrote:The US would have to stand trial for releasing influenza (Spanish flu) since it originated from Kansas. I think we shouldn't trial countries simply for being the point of origin of diseases.
I'm okay with the US facing justice for its reckless endangerment to the rest of the world along with China. We need SOME incentive to make countries avoid the practices that lead to the creation of new contagions, and the current incentives have plainly been inadequate.
by Xmara » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:45 pm
by GuessTheAltAccount » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:49 pm
Aggicificicerous wrote:This is what the CCP has always been, and you used to love them for it.
Bombadil wrote:My girlfriend wanted me to treat her like a princess, so I arranged for her to be married to a stranger to strengthen our alliance with Poland.
by Aggicificicerous » Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:51 pm
by GuessTheAltAccount » Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:52 pm
Bombadil wrote:My girlfriend wanted me to treat her like a princess, so I arranged for her to be married to a stranger to strengthen our alliance with Poland.
by Aggicificicerous » Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:01 pm
by GuessTheAltAccount » Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:05 pm
Aggicificicerous wrote:Are you not Infected Mushroom? Your posts and style are so similar.
Aggicificicerous wrote:If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and I retract my previous statement.
Bombadil wrote:My girlfriend wanted me to treat her like a princess, so I arranged for her to be married to a stranger to strengthen our alliance with Poland.
by Aggicificicerous » Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:08 pm
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:That's not good enough. You misrepresented my position on one of the most dangerous dictatorships of the 21st century, all based on nothing more than a hunch, without even bothering to ask follow up questions first. Why should anyone ever believe anything you ever say?
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