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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Well they gutted Voting Rights Act totally and then gutted Roe vs Wade. You think they wouldn't go that far if that got them a POTUS with the correct letter after his name?
Edit: Ofc you do. You think American politicians are totally honest and not gross caricatures of Boris Yeltsin when the latter is drunk as fuck.


I never said that. They overturn Roe and women will vote in droves against Republicans in November.

They overturned it in effect already by letting the Texan Stasi law stand.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:47 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:TIL 70 million Americans watch C-SPAN.
And here I was thinking it was much less...


I watch the morning program Washington journal on occasion and sometimes congressional coverage when major legislation is being debated or a nomination is being voted on.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:48 am

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Thermodolia wrote:But what I’m saying is that you are putting to much faith into a group of people. A group who’s final word is literally law.

If the court tomorrow said it was constitutional for Congress to amend the constitution via majority vote then you couldn’t do anything about it


Except they would not. They aren’t going to rule the constitution is unconstitutional.

They ruled that the President had the right to imprison a entire ethnic group against their will constitutional. They ruled that black Americans could never be American citizens.

Sure both of those got overturned but what makes you think it can’t happen again? What makes you think that it won’t happen?
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:49 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I never said that. They overturn Roe and women will vote in droves against Republicans in November.

They overturned it in effect already by letting the Texan Stasi law stand.


It’s my understanding they merely let it stand but did not rule on its constitutionality. There is also the law from Mississippi that remains blocked.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:They overturned it in effect already by letting the Texan Stasi law stand.


It’s my understanding they merely let it stand but did not rule on its constitutionality. There is also the law from Mississippi that remains blocked.

Ordinarily imposing a Stasi regime would be an act of an Unrechtsstaat but since SCOTUS is omnipotent when it comes to handing down law... yeah you see how this is wrong?
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Postby Umeria » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:54 am

San Lumen wrote:They overturn Roe and women will vote in droves against Republicans in November.

Hey this sounds familiar:
San Lumen wrote:I think if Trump or Carson is nominated turnout will go though the roof and it will be a disaster for the GOP down ballot that would make 2010 and 2014 look like nothing.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:55 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They won’t because congress can’t amend the constitution by majority vote.

But what I’m saying is that you are putting to much faith into a group of people. A group who’s final word is literally law.

If the court tomorrow said it was constitutional for Congress to amend the constitution via majority vote then you couldn’t do anything about it

To be honest, Them, that would just be a Constitutional Crisis and a general mess. There would certainly be people in the government who would not stand by that. A military coup under the guise of a constitutional convention with popular support would probably be better than that.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:31 am

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Then I guess by constitutional breach then we hold special elections.


Special elections for what?


To amend the constitution.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:34 am

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If loans are being paid back shouldn’t the debt go down not up?

Christ.

The debt increases because newer loans are bigger than the old ones (as the economy grows, the government budget grows, there's inflation, etc), plus situations like COVID necessitated a greater government deficit than usual.

Are Americans not taught this in social studies class or something?

We are. Some people spend their government and civics class drawing on their book covers I guess. I’m only this far in you guys trying to explain this basic ass shit to him an I want to throw my tablet out the window.
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:07 am

San Lumen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Well they gutted Voting Rights Act totally and then gutted Roe vs Wade. You think they wouldn't go that far if that got them a POTUS with the correct letter after his name?
Edit: Ofc you do. You think American politicians are totally honest and not gross caricatures of Boris Yeltsin when the latter is drunk as fuck.


I never said that. They overturn Roe and women will vote in droves against Republicans in November.


It's a nice fantasy, but I highly doubt that.

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:28 am



I think the DOJ should step in because the way the law was written is to purposely disenfranchise voters. I mean, very few people remember if they registered with their SSN or their ID #. Especially the case with older voters.
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Postby Hemakral » Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:57 am

San Lumen wrote:I never said that. They overturn Roe and women will vote in droves against Republicans in November.

Most of the women who'd vote against the GOP in this scenario already do and at best you'd see a slight bump in the polls
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:00 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:


I think the DOJ should step in because the way the law was written is to purposely disenfranchise voters. I mean, very few people remember if they registered with their SSN or their ID #. Especially the case with older voters.


Yeah, it's quite clear a lot of these laws are designed for that although the VRA is essentially dead, especially after this ruling by a Trump-appointed Judge.

The case is Arkansas State Conference NAACP v. Arkansas Board of Apportionment, and the plaintiffs claim that Arkansas’s statehouse maps are racially gerrymandered in violation of the Voting Rights Act (VRA), the landmark civil rights law that probably did more than any other statute to end Jim Crow. Among other things, the plaintiffs note that the maps contain only 11 (out of 100) majority-Black districts, even though Black voters make up more than 16 percent of the state’s population.

But Lee Rudofsky, the Trump judge assigned this case, barely engages with the substance of this racial gerrymandering claim. Instead, Rudofsky concludes that such a claim “may be brought only by the Attorney General of the United States” and not by private plaintiffs.


It's only a trial judge and it does have to go through the Appeals Court (it's going to be appealed) but if SCOTUS does take up the case, given their hostility to voting rights, they may agree. The law has already been butchered to the point it's almost worthless.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:24 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
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You probably believe that the UN were laughing at Trump's wit, rather than at him.

The posts and credible links I posted are Facts. Even a video of leftist Fareed Zakaria Praising President Trump and admitting that he was tough on Russia and China and armed Ukraine and the Poles. Anti Republicans and anti Trump world leaders are not credible to me and us. Democrat Biden is being chanted down across the nation of the USA by young college students and other persons. I can go on, on and on with more Facts on this post. But I will leave it here for now.


Actually many of your sources have failed things like not retracting false stories; conspiracies, and general loose measures for facts on stories in general. Loaded words of course.

I watched that video of Fareed and it’s edited. How I do not know as I have not found the original yet. Not looking that hard either.

He has not been that hard on China or even Russia. You keep mentioning the weapons sales. You leave all the restrictions like oh you can’t use them on Russians in the Crimea.

Your partisan views are rather telling. “Anti-Republicans and anti Trump world leaders are not credible to me and us.” Do you understand this eliminates your claim of being fair and balanced? The fact you dismiss EVERYTHING that doesn’t sing the praise of trump? You wonder why people dismiss your comments most of the time. Your comment explains part of your problem.

You using words wrong again. Where you write facts, you should have used opinions.
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Wow. Classified info went to his estate. Probably unsecured. This; the attempted destruction, the possible destruction of documents are worthy of jail time.

There is no “Opps” in these matters. I remember my days and there was a constant reminder of handling information…..

Interesting on the second one.

Do you think we will see our first President convicted of crimes? The possibility is there as he has been impeached.


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:49 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:


Wow. Classified info went to his estate. Probably unsecured. This; the attempted destruction, the possible destruction of documents are worthy of jail time.

There is no “Opps” in these matters. I remember my days and there was a constant reminder of handling information…..

Interesting on the second one.

Do you think we will see our first President convicted of crimes? The possibility is there as he has been impeached.


Oh thanks for the Warren clarification!

I'm trying find a place between defeatist cynicism and actually feelings of hope. I'm sure there's a reasonable middle ground instead of bouncing back and forth. Like, I'm starting to feel like there will be a consequence, but just not much of one.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:50 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Wow. Classified info went to his estate. Probably unsecured. This; the attempted destruction, the possible destruction of documents are worthy of jail time.

There is no “Opps” in these matters. I remember my days and there was a constant reminder of handling information…..

Interesting on the second one.

Do you think we will see our first President convicted of crimes? The possibility is there as he has been impeached.


Oh thanks for the Warren clarification!

I'm trying find a place between defeatist cynicism and actually feelings of hope. I'm sure there's a reasonable middle ground instead of bouncing back and forth. Like, I'm starting to feel like there will be a consequence, but just not much of one.


The consequences should be arrested and sentenced to life in prison for stealing federal property.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:52 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I'm trying find a place between defeatist cynicism and actually feelings of hope. I'm sure there's a reasonable middle ground instead of bouncing back and forth. Like, I'm starting to feel like there will be a consequence, but just not much of one.


The consequences should be arrested and sentenced to life in prison for stealing federal property.

Very reasonable punishment :roll:
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:53 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:


Wow. Classified info went to his estate. Probably unsecured. This; the attempted destruction, the possible destruction of documents are worthy of jail time.

There is no “Opps” in these matters. I remember my days and there was a constant reminder of handling information…..

Interesting on the second one.

Do you think we will see our first President convicted of crimes? The possibility is there as he has been impeached.


Oh thanks for the Warren clarification!

lol, :) :rofl:

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:53 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
The consequences should be arrested and sentenced to life in prison for stealing federal property.

Very reasonable punishment :roll:


If nothing else being arrested I don’t know how long you can go to jail for that.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:55 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I'm trying find a place between defeatist cynicism and actually feelings of hope. I'm sure there's a reasonable middle ground instead of bouncing back and forth. Like, I'm starting to feel like there will be a consequence, but just not much of one.


The consequences should be arrested and sentenced to life in prison for stealing federal property.

Well...as long as you haven't set your expectations too high...
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:56 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
The consequences should be arrested and sentenced to life in prison for stealing federal property.

Well...as long as you haven't set your expectations too high...


Key word: Should.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:57 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Wow. Classified info went to his estate. Probably unsecured. This; the attempted destruction, the possible destruction of documents are worthy of jail time.

There is no “Opps” in these matters. I remember my days and there was a constant reminder of handling information…..

Interesting on the second one.

Do you think we will see our first President convicted of crimes? The possibility is there as he has been impeached.


Oh thanks for the Warren clarification!

lol, :) :rofl:


Sorry. Don’t understand your response.
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