American Politics X: Is There A Reset Button Around Here?

[San Lumen]

Your creating ridiculous scenarios that will never occur. The court is never going to declare itself the Supreme Council of America nor is any president going to appoint people to positions they don't want so they can immediately resign and file suit for being removed from office against their will.

If the system is open to abuse, then power hungry individuals will attempt it.

The US political system isn't honour-based or a gentleman's agreement. The power of the Presidency has increased dramatically since its founding to a point it is basically an elected Sovereign.

I am aware but the things Therm has proposed are pure fantasy.

[Thermodolia]

A few questions:
What is a M4A system
What is closed party PR
What is STV

Another interesting thing this could be used for is if the Supreme Court decides a law is unconstitutional then a referendum could be held to overrule that decision.
Ex: Supreme Court makes Gay Marriage unconstitutional, President calls a referendum to overturn that decision by popular vote.

How are you going to hold a national referendum when elections are run by states? Each has different rules about how referendums can go on the ballot.

You amend the constitution so that the states aren’t in charge of election requirements or you establish a new system for federal only referendums

Not really. You just don’t want to admit that the entire nation is one madman away from being a dictatorship.

I gave you two Solutions to fix that problem yet you don’t seem that interested in fixing the problem but complaining about how we can’t have the American people act as a buffer against a court that has on check on its power.

Too many things in the US run on the honor system, when someone doesn’t respect that system it all falls apart because there are not enough checks in the system

Your creating ridiculous scenarios that will never occur. The court is never going to declare itself the Supreme Council of America nor is any president going to appoint people to positions they don't want so they can immediately resign and file suit for being removed from office against their will.

And Trump will never get elected, COVID will last for a few weeks, we’ll all be home for Christmas, the republicans would never support Trump after his supporters stormed the Capitol building.

Just things that will never happen and are totally ridiculous.

[Celritannia]

If the system is open to abuse, then power hungry individuals will attempt it.

The US political system isn't honour-based or a gentleman's agreement. The power of the Presidency has increased dramatically since its founding to a point it is basically an elected Sovereign.

I am aware but the things Therm has proposed are pure fantasy.

Therm was proposing hypotheticals of how to get the system to work for him, and he pointed out a couple of examples where a President packing a court worked in their favour.

So no, it isn't fantasy, it is plausible with the right strategy.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I am aware but the things Therm has proposed are pure fantasy.

Therm was proposing hypotheticals of how to get the system to work for him, and he pointed out a couple of examples where a President packing a court worked in their favour.

So no, it isn't fantasy, it is plausible with the right strategy.

Also way crazier things have happened.

[San Lumen]

How are you going to hold a national referendum when elections are run by states? Each has different rules about how referendums can go on the ballot.

You amend the constitution so that the states aren’t in charge of election requirements or you establish a new system for federal only referendums

Your creating ridiculous scenarios that will never occur. The court is never going to declare itself the Supreme Council of America nor is any president going to appoint people to positions they don't want so they can immediately resign and file suit for being removed from office against their will.

And Trump will never get elected, COVID will last for a few weeks, we’ll all be home for Christmas, the republicans would never support Trump after his supporters stormed the Capitol building.

Just things that will never happen and are totally ridiculous.

You’d need a constitutional amendment to get either thing.

[Thermodolia]

M4A is Medicare for All, basically a single payer healthcare system

Closed party list PR is well a proportional voting system where the amount of votes you get is proportional the number of seats you get. The closed list part means the parties control who is on the list and the people just vote for the parties.

STV stands for Single Transferable Vote and is another voting system and is what Ireland uses and Australia uses for their senate


I’ve suggested that use of it as well. Though when it comes to overturning judicial rulings the threshold should be higher than a normal threshold

Oh okay. Though I’m not too keen on having parties control the ballots though.
How much higher then?

The parties wouldn’t control the ballots just who would be on the list. Basically it would mean that parties would vote more as one instead of having rebels.

I’d say that a regular referendum to establish a law should be about 51% while a referendum to amend the constitution or overturn a judicial ruling should be about 65% to 75%

[Zurkerx]

"It's a dumb idea to put Ukraine in NATO": Rand Paul says that would also provoke "pariah nation" of Russia. He cites former Sec. of State Kissinger's position on the issue, who holds a similar view on the situation.

Honestly, I'm not surprised by his Statement.

[Thermodolia]

You amend the constitution so that the states aren’t in charge of election requirements or you establish a new system for federal only referendums


And Trump will never get elected, COVID will last for a few weeks, we’ll all be home for Christmas, the republicans would never support Trump after his supporters stormed the Capitol building.

Just things that will never happen and are totally ridiculous.

You’d need a constitutional amendment to get either thing.

No shit.

But if you wanted to abused the system you could just straight up pass a law that says referendums are now constitutional and boom SCOTUS says they are.

[Thermodolia]

"It's a dumb idea to put Ukraine in NATO": Rand Paul says that would also provoke "pariah nation" of Russia. He cites former Sec. of State Kissinger's position on the issue, who holds a similar view on the situation.

Honestly, I'm not surprised by his Statement.

Ukraine can’t even join nato because they have ongoing internal conflicts, which Russia knows and keeps exploiting

[The Jamesian Republic]

Oh okay. Though I’m not too keen on having parties control the ballots though.
How much higher then?

The parties wouldn’t control the ballots just who would be on the list. Basically it would mean that parties would vote more as one instead of having rebels.

I’d say that a regular referendum to establish a law should be about 51% while a referendum to amend the constitution or overturn a judicial ruling should be about 65% to 75%

That makes sense. Also I can accept the threshold for national referendums. Besides I think amending the constitution should also be by referendum Australia does it.

[Thermodolia]

The parties wouldn’t control the ballots just who would be on the list. Basically it would mean that parties would vote more as one instead of having rebels.

I’d say that a regular referendum to establish a law should be about 51% while a referendum to amend the constitution or overturn a judicial ruling should be about 65% to 75%

That makes sense. Also I can accept the threshold for national referendums. Besides I think amending the constitution should also be by referendum Australia does it.

Oh i definitely agree with you on that one.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Referenda requires an educated, well-informed populace. People think Americans are educated and well-informed?

[The Jamesian Republic]

That makes sense. Also I can accept the threshold for national referendums. Besides I think amending the constitution should also be by referendum Australia does it.

Oh i definitely agree with you on that one.

Excellent.

[San Lumen]

You’d need a constitutional amendment to get either thing.

No shit.

But if you wanted to abused the system you could just straight up pass a law that says referendums are now constitutional and boom SCOTUS says they are.

They won’t because congress can’t amend the constitution by majority vote.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Referenda requires an educated, well-informed populace. People think Americans are educated and well-informed?

Massively restructure and invest in Education and increase transparency in the government.

[Thermodolia]

Referenda requires an educated, well-informed populace. People think Americans are educated and well-informed?

No but a referendum would at least be a step in the right direction.

[The Jamesian Republic]

No shit.

But if you wanted to abused the system you could just straight up pass a law that says referendums are now constitutional and boom SCOTUS says they are.

They won’t because congress can’t amend the constitution by majority vote.

Then I guess by constitutional breach then we hold special elections.

[San Lumen]

They won’t because congress can’t amend the constitution by majority vote.

Then I guess by constitutional breach then we hold special elections.

Special elections for what?

[Thermodolia]

No shit.

But if you wanted to abused the system you could just straight up pass a law that says referendums are now constitutional and boom SCOTUS says they are.

They won’t because congress can’t amend the constitution by majority vote.

But what I’m saying is that you are putting to much faith into a group of people. A group who’s final word is literally law.

If the court tomorrow said it was constitutional for Congress to amend the constitution via majority vote then you couldn’t do anything about it

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

TIL 70 million Americans watch C-SPAN.
And here I was thinking it was much less...

[San Lumen]

They won’t because congress can’t amend the constitution by majority vote.

But what I’m saying is that you are putting to much faith into a group of people. A group who’s final word is literally law.

If the court tomorrow said it was constitutional for Congress to amend the constitution via majority vote then you couldn’t do anything about it

Except they would not. They aren’t going to rule the constitution is unconstitutional.

[Shrillland]

"It's a dumb idea to put Ukraine in NATO": Rand Paul says that would also provoke "pariah nation" of Russia. He cites former Sec. of State Kissinger's position on the issue, who holds a similar view on the situation.

Honestly, I'm not surprised by his Statement.

When it comes to NATO/CSTO membership, why don't we just look at what the nations themselves want? That's what everyone who condemns NATO's expansion refuses to grasp, it was ultimately what the nation involved wanted for themselves.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

But what I’m saying is that you are putting to much faith into a group of people. A group who’s final word is literally law.

If the court tomorrow said it was constitutional for Congress to amend the constitution via majority vote then you couldn’t do anything about it

Except they would not. They aren’t going to rule the constitution is unconstitutional.

Well they gutted Voting Rights Act totally and then gutted Roe vs Wade. You think they wouldn't go that far if that got them a POTUS with the correct letter after his name?
Edit: Ofc you do. You think American politicians are totally honest and not gross caricatures of Boris Yeltsin when the latter is drunk as fuck.

[Shrillland]

TIL 70 million Americans watch C-SPAN.
And here I was thinking it was much less...

It is. 70 million do watch it, but they don't watch it in the same way as other programmes.

[San Lumen]

Except they would not. They aren’t going to rule the constitution is unconstitutional.

Well they gutted Voting Rights Act totally and then gutted Roe vs Wade. You think they wouldn't go that far if that got them a POTUS with the correct letter after his name?
Edit: Ofc you do. You think American politicians are totally honest and not gross caricatures of Boris Yeltsin when the latter is drunk as fuck.

I never said that. They overturn Roe and women will vote in droves against Republicans in November.