American Politics IX: Winter is Coming

[Shrillland]

As did I.

Apparently, just wanting Eco-social democracy is enough to make you seem like an unrealistic utopian in this country....which says a lot about this country.

It doesn’t have to be that way.

Aye, but the people at-large aren't like us. They reject better electoral systems for the simple reason that FPTP is the easiest. RCV's only slowly gaining traction, and even that is mostly cosmetic.

[The Jamesian Republic]

4. The USSR was an authoritarian hellhole that was no better than Nazi Germany.

Uh, no, living in the Soviet Union was way better than living in Nazi Germany. The Soviets actually aimed to improve life for citizens and not wage a race war.

Still authoritarian though.

[Prima Scriptura]

Well, I keep asking the far left how are we going to fund these services that disabled people like me need and I can’t really get an enhancer other than some utopia that people are gonna offer those services out of the kindness of their heart and without being paid.

taxes, that's how we fund public services. We use progressive taxes and limit the excessive wealth. (instead of lowering taxes and cutting services)
it just need political will.

I’m speaking of those that want to abolish capitalism and all of private enterprise rather than to social democrats.

[The Jamesian Republic]

It doesn’t have to be that way.

Aye, but the people at-large aren't like us. They reject better electoral systems for the simple reason that FPTP is the easiest. RCV's only slowly gaining traction, and even that is mostly cosmetic.

Here’s to hoping it gains some speed and gets fully fleshed out.

[Lady Victory]

Uh, no, living in the Soviet Union was way better than living in Nazi Germany. The Soviets actually aimed to improve life for citizens and not wage a race war.

Still authoritarian though.

Every system is authoritarian to some degree tbh. I find that label gets more and more useless the more I think about it, really.

[New haven america]

2. This is a critique of Therm's behavior of declaring people that disagree with his hard left authoritarian views as liberals.

1. I mean "liberal" pretty broad term. It's fairly easy to apply it liberally, pun not intended.

3. You know Therm hates democracy right? Even though he says socialism starts in democratic labor unions.

Yeah, I know his views on democracy. They're dumb. 2. But you're equating workplace democracy with electoralism when these are two very different things that can exist independently of one another.

4. The USSR was an authoritarian hellhole that was no better than Nazi Germany. If you actually followed the arguments I wanted examples of villent socialist revolutions that didn't devolve into corrupt authoritarianism. Do you have any examples?

3. There's a reason I'm not a Marxist-Leninist, and unfortunately due to how the Russian Civil War played out those were the Leftists that came out on top and dominated much of the wider Left-wing globally until the USSR was dissolved. It's unfortunate, but that doesn't mean they aren't Leftist.

1. Big L economic "Liberal/Neoliberal" to be specific.
2. Except that's not what I'm doing. Why? Because the more powerful the left in the nation become, the less and less electoralism will be a thing, and it will move to real democracy.

But that requires actually giving the left/left-leaning actual positions of power and influence than declaring "X didn't do everything I wanted in 1 year, I'm voting Trump next time!" That is counterproductive to goal, I'm afraid.
3. I never argued whether they were leftists or not, I said they were corrupt and totalitarian authoritarians. No one's been able to give me a violent socialist revolution that hasn't devolved into such.

Though, on that note, Stalin was not a leftist. He strongly believed in social conservatism, homo/transphobia, imperialism, and eugenics. Lenin basically gave women equal rights and then Stalin took them away within a day of coming into power. (Exaggerating, but still, that was the general speed at which he re-instilled social conservatism)

[Prima Scriptura]

4. The USSR was an authoritarian hellhole that was no better than Nazi Germany.

Uh, no, living in the Soviet Union was way better than living in Nazi Germany. The Soviets actually succeeded in improving the life of citizens in many ways and didn't wage a race war.

I would be dead though.

[Thermodolia]

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

Well, I keep asking the far left how are we going to fund these services that disabled people like me need and I can’t really get an enhancer other than some utopia that people are gonna offer those services out of the kindness of their heart and without being paid.

The state mandates that they offer them. They are paid via the state because it’s their job to offer these services

[The Jamesian Republic]

Uh, no, living in the Soviet Union was way better than living in Nazi Germany. The Soviets actually succeeded in improving the life of citizens in many ways and didn't wage a race war.

I would be dead though.

In any of those countries yes you would be.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Still authoritarian though.

Every system is authoritarian to some degree tbh. I find that label gets more and more useless the more I think about it, really.

I wouldn’t want to live under Stalin or Hitler. To me they both have their spot in H e double hockey sticks.

[Thermodolia]

taxes, that's how we fund public services. We use progressive taxes and limit the excessive wealth. (instead of lowering taxes and cutting services)
it just need political will.

I’m speaking of those that want to abolish capitalism and all of private enterprise rather than to social democrats.

The USSR had very good healthcare as does Cuba. Neither had capitalism

[Suriyanakhon]

Uh, no, living in the Soviet Union was way better than living in Nazi Germany. The Soviets actually aimed to improve life for citizens and not wage a race war.

Still authoritarian though.

No more than the US was (and still is).

Uh, no, living in the Soviet Union was way better than living in Nazi Germany. The Soviets actually succeeded in improving the life of citizens in many ways and didn't wage a race war.

I would be dead though.

No, you probably wouldn't be.

[Thermodolia]

Uh, no, living in the Soviet Union was way better than living in Nazi Germany. The Soviets actually succeeded in improving the life of citizens in many ways and didn't wage a race war.

I would be dead though.

Depends on the era. In Stalinist USSR? Sure. But after that? Unlikely

[The Jamesian Republic]

It’s getting time for a new thread, what shall be the title?

[Free Algerstonia]

Yes I love fascism because the local fascist government of mine doesn't like taxes. Fascism for the win!

Well yeah, fascism, Naziism specifically, loves free market capitalism.

Nazi Germany was the most capitalist period of German history, with an ~95%-98% privatization rate depending on the year.

Wait. The Democrats also like the free market... holy shit... the Democrats are also fascists... oh fuck... we really are screwed....

[Suriyanakhon]

Leftists really are our own worst enemy smh.

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

Bear with me, Supermonarcho-Gigacollective State-focused Nihilo-Socialist Antilibertarian Uberanarchist would be an epic band name.

[Deblar]

It’s getting time for a new thread, what shall be the title?

American Politics X: I Want Off This Ride

[Free Algerstonia]

It’s getting time for a new thread, what shall be the title?

American Politics X: Algerstonia Is Cool

[Thermodolia]

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

Bear with me, Supermonarcho-Gigacollective State-focused Nihilo-Socialist Antilibertarian Uberanarchist would be an epic band name.

SGSNSAU?

[The Jamesian Republic]

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

Bear with me, Supermonarcho-Gigacollective State-focused Nihilo-Socialist Antilibertarian Uberanarchist would be an epic band name.

Too complicated.

[Untecna]

It’s getting time for a new thread, what shall be the title?

American Politics X: We Sped to Ten

[Dexterra]

It’s getting time for a new thread, what shall be the title?

American History Politics X: Hell has Frozen Over

[The Jamesian Republic]

It’s getting time for a new thread, what shall be the title?

American Politics X: I Want Off This Ride

How about American Politics X: An Uncertain and Frightening Journey Into The Future

[Free Algerstonia]

American Politics X: I Want Off This Ride

How about American Politics X: An Uncertain and Frightening Journey Into The Future

Too many syllables

[Picairn]

How about American Politics X: An Uncertain and Frightening Journey Into The Future

Too long.