American Politics IX: Winter is Coming

[Deblar]

Yes I love fascism because the local fascist government of mine doesn't like taxes. Fascism for the win!

Well yeah, fascism, Naziism specifically, loves free market capitalism.

Nazi Germany was the most capitalist period of German history, with an ~95%-98% privatization rate depending on the year.

Fascism usually isn't capitalist, rather it's more third positionist, with most fascists historically preferring corporatism to free market capitalism

[The Jamesian Republic]

I think one political test result I agree with the most is this:
https://www.politicalpersonality.org/ma ... -guardian/

Social Guardian. Considering how I approach politics here I think it is accurate.

[Prima Scriptura]

Take 8values, it's way better

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 7.6&s=67.9

This puts me at Libertarianism Socialism.

I get Theocratic Distributism
https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 5.9&s=39.9

[Deblar]

I think one political test result I agree with the most is this:
https://www.politicalpersonality.org/ma ... -guardian/

Social Guardian. Considering how I approach politics here I think it is accurate.

I got Utopian Virtuoso, apparently

[Duvniask]

You see, this is the issue with a lot of the far left. Instead of trying to accept or teach or foster possible left-wing supporters, you instead deride them or declare that they can't join because they're not left enough. House divided cannot stand and all the jazz.

This is what the left has been doing since the early 1900s, lol, and what has been the result? The total dilution of any sort of proper programme. It's only gotten worse with time, as the labor movement has weakened. Why should a working class party spend time on including people with petty bourgeois viewpoints, if not straight-up bourgeois, in its midst? It's nothing but unbridled opportunism and means the party will lose its character and lose sight of the goals it has set out to do.

[New haven america]

1. Yes, we know you have dreams of being Stalin's successor.
2. Because you refuse to foster left-wing beliefs in the country. You are the architect of your own destruction.
3. I don't know if you've ever been part of a union before, but you're gonna be in for a major shock. Ok, you ready: Unions are democratic. Labor union leaders are elected.

Fucking shocking, I know. Giving workers a say over who leads them? Madness I tell you.

1. Bro I'm gonna be real with you: you've always had bad takes, but the further Left I go the more I see just how bad they really are.

2. "Therm's a Stalinist", even though his idol is Tito. 3. "Unions are democratic", as if a Socialist state isn't inherently democratic. 4. "Violent Socialist revolution never works", as if it's greatest success story--Russia--didn't happen. And then your 'No True Scotsman' nonsense thereafter because they weren't your kind of Socialist so they must not be "Socialist" at all. Like I'm not even a fan of how the USSR operated, especially under Stalin, but to try and obfuscate it's obvious Socialist nature is just intellectually dishonest. Stop trying to run damage control for the Left by burning bridges with every success the revolution has achieved. It's petty and stupid. Electoralism won't bring about Socialism. The belief that it will is naive at best and obstinate at worst, but either way it's an actual hindrance to Leftism. The bourgeois won't be overthrown by filling in circles on a paper. They would never allow that to happen. Don't kid yourself.

5. Leftists really are our own worst enemy smh.

1. Noted and ignored.
2. This is a critique of Therm's behavior of declaring people that disagree with his hard left authoritarian views as liberals or neoliberals.
3. You know Therm hates democracy right? Even though he says socialism starts in democratic labor unions.
4. The USSR was an authoritarian hellhole that was no better than Nazi Germany. If you actually followed the argument, I wanted examples of violent socialist revolutions that didn't devolve into corrupt authoritarian dictatorships. Do you have any examples?
5. Yes, I'm well aware of the fact.

[Hemakral]

Leftists really are our own worst enemy smh.

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

[The Jamesian Republic]

Leftists really are our own worst enemy smh.

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

I guess I’m incredibly dense according the far left. The far right was just execute me immediately.

[Untecna]

I think one political test result I agree with the most is this:
https://www.politicalpersonality.org/ma ... -guardian/

Social Guardian. Considering how I approach politics here I think it is accurate.

I got Utopian Virtuoso, apparently

Same here.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I got Utopian Virtuoso, apparently

Same here.

Let’s unite together.

[Deblar]

Leftists really are our own worst enemy smh.

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

This had no right to make me laugh as much as it did

[New haven america]

Leftists really are our own worst enemy smh.

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

Basically, yeah.

[Fauzjhia]

I think one political test result I agree with the most is this:
https://www.politicalpersonality.org/ma ... -guardian/

Social Guardian. Considering how I approach politics here I think it is accurate.

I got Utopian Virtuoso, apparently

got the same result.
Utopian Virtuoso

[Port Caverton]

I think one political test result I agree with the most is this:
https://www.politicalpersonality.org/ma ... -guardian/

Social Guardian. Considering how I approach politics here I think it is accurate.

Same result as you

[The Jamesian Republic]

Social Guardians and Utopian Virtuosos of the world unite!

[Lady Victory]

2. This is a critique of Therm's behavior of declaring people that disagree with his hard left authoritarian views as liberals.

I mean "liberal" pretty broad term. It's fairly easy to apply it liberally, pun not intended.

3. You know Therm hates democracy right? Even though he says socialism starts in democratic labor unions.

Yeah, I know his views on democracy. They're dumb. But you're equating workplace democracy with electoralism when these are two very different things that can exist independently of one another.

4. The USSR was an authoritarian hellhole that was no better than Nazi Germany. If you actually followed the arguments I wanted examples of villent socialist revolutions that didn't devolve into corrupt authoritarianism. Do you have any examples?

There's a reason I'm not a Marxist-Leninist, and unfortunately due to how the Russian Civil War played out those were the Leftists that came out on top and dominated much of the wider Left-wing globally until the USSR was dissolved. It's unfortunate, but that doesn't mean they aren't Leftist.

[Duvniask]

Leftists really are our own worst enemy smh.

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

It certainly is true that the "left" attracts cretins who won't hesitate to slap their retarded labels on everything.

[Shrillland]

I got Utopian Virtuoso, apparently

got the same result.
Utopian Virtuoso

As did I.

Apparently, just wanting Eco-social democracy is enough to make you seem like an unrealistic utopian in this country....which says a lot about this country.

[Prima Scriptura]

Leftists really are our own worst enemy smh.

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

Well, I keep asking the far left how are we going to fund these services that disabled people like me need and I can’t really get an enhancer other than some utopia that people are gonna offer those services out of the kindness of their heart and without being paid.

[The Jamesian Republic]

got the same result.
Utopian Virtuoso

As did I.

Apparently, just wanting Eco-social democracy is enough to make you seem like an unrealistic utopian in this country....which says a lot about this country.

It doesn’t have to be that way.

[The Reformed American Republic]

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 1.2&s=60.9

I think my "prgressivism" is overstated, but the rest is accurate.

[Suriyanakhon]

4. The USSR was an authoritarian hellhole that was no better than Nazi Germany.

Uh, no, living in the Soviet Union was way better than living in Nazi Germany. The Soviets actually succeeded in improving the life of citizens in many ways and didn't wage a race war.

[Shrillland]

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

Well, I keep asking the far left how are we going to fund these services that disabled people like me need and I can’t really get an enhancer other than some utopia that people are gonna offer those services out of the kindness of their heart and without being paid.

Well, there's always MMT for funding programmes, but that only works if the rest of the world doesn't call your bluff. Kowani's shown why he thinks that wouldn't be the case, but I never underestimate the determination of unfriendly rivals to cut off their nose to spite our face.

[Fauzjhia]

far-left argument: "if you aren't a supermonarcho-gigacollective state-focused nihilo-socialist antilibertarian uberanarchist like me, you're stupid"
far-right argument: "I say we ought to kill the blacks before we kill the gays"

Well, I keep asking the far left how are we going to fund these services that disabled people like me need and I can’t really get an enhancer other than some utopia that people are gonna offer those services out of the kindness of their heart and without being paid.

taxes, that's how we fund public services. We use progressive taxes and limit the excessive wealth. (instead of lowering taxes and cutting services)
it just need political will.

[The Reformed American Republic]

4. The USSR was an authoritarian hellhole that was no better than Nazi Germany.

Uh, no, living in the Soviet Union was way better than living in Nazi Germany. The Soviets actually aimed to improve life for citizens and not wage a race war.

Depends on the era to be honest. Stalin was just barely better depending on who you were, but post-Stalin it was certainly better.