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I fully expect Republicans to refuse to raise the debt limit and default if they get the Senate.

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For some reason there's a certain type of liberal who will worship any Republican that says they don't like Trump, no matter how terrible their record is on every other issue.
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I fully expect Republicans to refuse to raise the debt limit and default if they get the Senate.


>US defaults on sovereign debt
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>Societal collapse at home

his will be done
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Umeria wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:imagine unironically beleiving the cheneys are based

For some reason there's a certain type of liberal who will worship any Republican that says they don't like Trump, no matter how terrible their record is on every other issue.


that's basically all liberals. they became the biggest cheerleader's of bush's police state once it was turned on american right-wingers
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Umeria wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:imagine unironically beleiving the cheneys are based

For some reason there's a certain type of liberal who will worship any Republican that says they don't like Trump, no matter how terrible their record is on every other issue.


The reason is simple: In war, you fight alongside the allies you get, not the allies you want.
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Bear Stearns wrote:imagine unironically beleiving the cheneys are based

For some reason there's a certain type of liberal who will worship any Republican that says they don't like Trump, no matter how terrible their record is on every other issue.


Oh, yes. I’m a “liberal”. :roll: I know, we need to own those g.d libs. That is the most important thing right now. It doesn’t matter if Trump wanted to overthrow our government.
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NASA enters the solar atmosphere for the first time, bringing new discoveries (Phys.org)

For the first time in history, a spacecraft has touched the Sun. NASA's Parker Solar Probe has now flown through the Sun's upper atmosphere—the corona—and sampled particles and magnetic fields there.

The new milestone marks one major step for Parker Solar Probe and one giant leap for solar science. Just as landing on the Moon allowed scientists to understand how it was formed, touching the very stuff the Sun is made of will help scientists uncover critical information about our closest star and its influence on the solar system.

"Parker Solar Probe "touching the Sun" is a monumental moment for solar science and a truly remarkable feat," said Thomas Zurbuchen, the associate administrator for the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "Not only does this milestone provide us with deeper insights into our Sun's evolution and it's impacts on our solar system, but everything we learn about our own star also teaches us more about stars in the rest of the universe."

As it circles closer to the solar surface, Parker is making new discoveries that other spacecraft were too far away to see, including from within the solar wind—the flow of particles from the Sun that can influence us at Earth. In 2019, Parker discovered that magnetic zig-zag structures in the solar wind, called switchbacks, are plentiful close to the Sun. But how and where they form remained a mystery. Halving the distance to the Sun since then, Parker Solar Probe has now passed close enough to identify one place where they originate: the solar surface.

The first passage through the corona—and the promise of more flybys to come—will continue to provide data on phenomena that are impossible to study from afar.

"Flying so close to the Sun, Parker Solar Probe now senses conditions in the magnetically dominated layer of the solar atmosphere—the corona—that we never could before," said Nour Raouafi, the Parker project scientist at the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Maryland. "We see evidence of being in the corona in magnetic field data, solar wind data, and visually in images. We can actually see the spacecraft flying through coronal structures that can be observed during a total solar eclipse."

Closer Than Ever Before

Parker Solar Probe launched in 2018 to explore the mysteries of the Sun by traveling closer to it than any spacecraft before. Three years after launch and decades after first conception, Parker has finally arrived.

Unlike Earth, the Sun doesn't have a solid surface. But it does have a superheated atmosphere, made of solar material bound to the Sun by gravity and magnetic forces. As rising heat and pressure push that material away from the Sun, it reaches a point where gravity and magnetic fields are too weak to contain it.

That point, known as the Alfvén critical surface, marks the end of the solar atmosphere and beginning of the solar wind. Solar material with the energy to make it across that boundary becomes the solar wind, which drags the magnetic field of the Sun with it as it races across the solar system, to Earth and beyond. Importantly, beyond the Alfvén critical surface, the solar wind moves so fast that waves within the wind cannot ever travel fast enough to make it back to the Sun—severing their connection.

Until now, researchers were unsure exactly where the Alfvén critical surface lay. Based on remote images of the corona, estimates had put it somewhere between 10 to 20 solar radii from the surface of the Sun—4.3 to 8.6 million miles. Parker's spiral trajectory brings it slowly closer to the Sun and during the last few passes, the spacecraft was consistently below 20 solar radii (91 percent of Earth's distance from the Sun), putting it in the position to cross the boundary—if the estimates were correct.

On April 28, 2021, during its eighth flyby of the Sun, Parker Solar Probe encountered the specific magnetic and particle conditions at 18.8 solar radii (around 8.1 million miles) above the solar surface that told scientists it had crossed the Alfvén critical surface for the first time and finally entered the solar atmosphere.

"We were fully expecting that, sooner or later, we would encounter the corona for at least a short duration of time," said Justin Kasper, lead author on a new paper about the milestone published in Physical Review Letters, and deputy chief technology officer at BWX Technologies, Inc. and University of Michigan professor. "But it is very exciting that we've already reached it."

NASA's Parker Solar Probe Touches The Sun For The First Time (YouTube)

Into the Eye of the Storm

During the flyby, Parker Solar Probe passed into and out of the corona several times. This is proved what some had predicted—that the Alfvén critical surface isn't shaped like a smooth ball. Rather, it has spikes and valleys that wrinkle the surface. Discovering where these protrusions line up with solar activity coming from the surface can help scientists learn how events on the Sun affect the atmosphere and solar wind.

At one point, as Parker Solar Probe dipped to just beneath 15 solar radii (around 6.5 million miles) from the Sun's surface, it transited a feature in the corona called a pseudostreamer. Pseudostreamers are massive structures that rise above the Sun's surface and can be seen from Earth during solar eclipses.

Passing through the pseudostreamer was like flying into the eye of a storm. Inside the pseudostreamer, the conditions quieted, particles slowed, and number of switchbacks dropped—a dramatic change from the busy barrage of particles the spacecraft usually encounters in the solar wind.

For the first time, the spacecraft found itself in a region where the magnetic fields were strong enough to dominate the movement of particles there. These conditions were the definitive proof the spacecraft had passed the Alfvén critical surface and entered the solar atmosphere where magnetic fields shape the movement of everything in the region.

The first passage through the corona, which lasted only a few hours, is one of many planned for the mission. Parker will continue to spiral closer to the Sun, eventually reaching as close as 8.86 solar radii (3.83 million miles) from the surface. Upcoming flybys, the next of which is happening in January 2022, will likely bring Parker Solar Probe through the corona again.

"I'm excited to see what Parker finds as it repeatedly passes through the corona in the years to come," said Nicola Fox, division director for the Heliophysics Division at NASA Headquarters. "The opportunity for new discoveries is boundless."

The size of the corona is also driven by solar activity. As the Sun's 11-year activity cycle—the solar cycle—ramps up, the outer edge of the corona will expand, giving Parker Solar Probe a greater chance of being inside the corona for longer periods of time.

"It is a really important region to get into because we think all sorts of physics potentially turn on," Kasper said. "And now we're getting into that region and hopefully going to start seeing some of these physics and behaviors."

Narrowing Down Switchback Origins

Even before the first trips through the corona, some surprising physics was already surfacing. On recent solar encounters, Parker Solar Probe collected data pinpointing the origin of zig-zag-shaped structures in the solar wind, called switchbacks. The data showed one spot that switchbacks originate is at the visible surface of the Sun—the photosphere.

By the time it reaches Earth, 93 million miles away, the solar wind is an unrelenting headwind of particles and magnetic fields. But as it escapes the Sun, the solar wind is structured and patchy. In the mid-1990s, the NASA-European Space Agency mission Ulysses flew over the Sun's poles and discovered a handful of bizarre S-shaped kinks in the solar wind's magnetic field lines, which detoured charged particles on a zig-zag path as they escaped the Sun. For decades, scientists thought these occasional switchbacks were oddities confined to the Sun's polar regions.

In 2019, at 34 solar radii from the Sun, Parker discovered that switchbacks were not rare, but common in the solar wind. This renewed interest in the features and raised new questions: Where were they coming from? Were they forged at the surface of the Sun, or shaped by some process kinking magnetic fields in the solar atmosphere?

The new findings, in press at the Astrophysical Journal, finally confirm one origin point is near the solar surface.

The clues came as Parker orbited closer to the Sun on its sixth flyby, less than 25 solar radii out. Data showed switchbacks occur in patches and have a higher percentage of helium—known to come from the photosphere—than other elements. The switchbacks' origins were further narrowed when the scientists found the patches aligned with magnetic funnels that emerge from the photosphere between convection cell structures called supergranules.

In addition to being the birthplace of switchbacks, the scientists think the magnetic funnels might be where one component of the solar wind originates. The solar wind comes in two different varieties—fast and slow—and the funnels could be where some particles in the fast solar wind come from.

"The structure of the regions with switchbacks matches up with a small magnetic funnel structure at the base of the corona," said Stuart Bale, professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and lead author on the new switchbacks paper. "This is what we expect from some theories, and this pinpoints a source for the solar wind itself."

Understanding where and how the components of the fast solar wind emerge, and if they're linked to switchbacks, could help scientists answer a longstanding solar mystery: how the corona is heated to millions of degrees, far hotter than the solar surface below.

While the new findings locate where switchbacks are made, the scientists can't yet confirm how they're formed. One theory suggests they might be created by waves of plasma that roll through the region like ocean surf. Another contends they're made by an explosive process known as magnetic reconnection, which is thought to occur at the boundaries where the magnetic funnels come together.

"My instinct is, as we go deeper into the mission and lower and closer to the Sun, we're going to learn more about how magnetic funnels are connected to the switchbacks," Bale said. "And hopefully resolve the question of what process makes them."

Now that researchers know what to look for, Parker's closer passes may reveal even more clues about switchbacks and other solar phenomena. The data to come will allow scientists a glimpse into a region that's critical for superheating the corona and pushing the solar wind to supersonic speeds. Such measurements from the corona will be critical for understanding and forecasting extreme space weather events that can disrupt telecommunications and damage satellites around Earth.

"It's really exciting to see our advanced technologies succeed in taking Parker Solar Probe closer to the Sun than we've ever been, and to be able to return such amazing science," said Joseph Smith, Parker program executive at NASA Headquarters. "We look forward to seeing what else the mission discovers as it ventures even closer in the coming years."

Parker Solar Probe is part of NASA's Living with a Star program to explore aspects of the Sun-Earth system that directly affect life and society. The Living with a Star program is managed by the agency's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Maryland, manages the Parker Solar Probe mission for NASA and designed, built, and operates the spacecraft.
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Prima Scriptura wrote:
Umeria wrote:For some reason there's a certain type of liberal who will worship any Republican that says they don't like Trump, no matter how terrible their record is on every other issue.


Oh, yes. I’m a “liberal”. :roll: I know, we need to own those g.d libs. That is the most important thing right now. It doesn’t matter if Trump wanted to overthrow our government.


Have you seen our government? Wanting to overthrow it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

It was the corporate police state he would have replaced it with which was a bad thing.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:25 pm

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Prima Scriptura wrote:
Oh, yes. I’m a “liberal”. :roll: I know, we need to own those g.d libs. That is the most important thing right now. It doesn’t matter if Trump wanted to overthrow our government.


Have you seen our government? Wanting to overthrow it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

It was the corporate police state he would have replaced it with which was a bad thing.


I’m not misanthropic and a doomer. Sorry not sorry.
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Shrillland wrote:
Umeria wrote:For some reason there's a certain type of liberal who will worship any Republican that says they don't like Trump, no matter how terrible their record is on every other issue.

The reason is simple: In war, you fight alongside the allies you get, not the allies you want.

I don't know, it seems like it's gone far beyond the standard "I don't agree with you on most things but we can work together on this issue" when these people are heralded as saviors of democracy and whatnot.

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Umeria wrote:For some reason there's a certain type of liberal who will worship any Republican that says they don't like Trump, no matter how terrible their record is on every other issue.

Oh, yes. I’m a “liberal”. :roll: I know, we need to own those g.d libs. That is the most important thing right now. It doesn’t matter if Trump wanted to overthrow our government.

I'd argue that the most important thing right now is the starvation crisis in Yemen that Liz Cheney voted to continue supporting.
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San Lumen wrote:
I fully expect Republicans to refuse to raise the debt limit and default if they get the Senate.


>US defaults on sovereign debt
>US bond rating plunders
>US military goes all out to sustain liberal international order and gets its ass whooped on all fronts
>Societal collapse at home

his will be done


So there is no doubt. I do not want that to happen and neither should you.

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Lady Victory wrote:
Have you seen our government? Wanting to overthrow it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

It was the corporate police state he would have replaced it with which was a bad thing.


I’m not misanthropic and a doomer. Sorry not sorry.


Neither am I.

But I'm also not going to shill for a government built by the rich, for the rich, with the rich at the expense of the poor and founded on the death and suffering of millions.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:28 pm

Umeria wrote:
Shrillland wrote:The reason is simple: In war, you fight alongside the allies you get, not the allies you want.

I don't know, it seems like it's gone far beyond the standard "I don't agree with you on most things but we can work together on this issue" when these people are heralded as saviors of democracy and whatnot.


That it is, but we've gone far beyond the standard disagreements in recent years. We can put the brakes on this train, but it'll take work.
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Noninterventionists who meme about how the guy who bombed Cambodia because he could would be less interventionist than Democrats if only he'd been elected in 1960?


noninterventionists are not an institutional power anywhere in the united states, they are the opposite actually.


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Postby Prima Scriptura » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:30 pm

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Prima Scriptura wrote:
I’m not misanthropic and a doomer. Sorry not sorry.


Neither am I.

But I'm also not going to shill for a government built by the rich, for the rich, with the rich at the expense of the poor and founded on the death and suffering of millions.


And I’m going to be a “burn all down” type of guy because of a hatred of institutions, which I don’t have.
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Lady Victory wrote:
Neither am I.

But I'm also not going to shill for a government built by the rich, for the rich, with the rich at the expense of the poor and founded on the death and suffering of millions.


And I’m going to be a “burn all down” type of guy because I have a hatred of institutions, which I don’t have.


I'm sorry, did you think I was an Anarchist or something?

Quit while you're ahead, dude. You're getting straw on the carpet.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Apparently my turn of phrase didn't connect.

No. No. Not that Rick Perry.

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Shrillland wrote:
Umeria wrote:I don't know, it seems like it's gone far beyond the standard "I don't agree with you on most things but we can work together on this issue" when these people are heralded as saviors of democracy and whatnot.

That it is, but we've gone far beyond the standard disagreements in recent years. We can put the brakes on this train, but it'll take work.

I think we can do that without lying about the character of the people who happen to side with us.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:38 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
And I’m going to be a “burn all down” type of guy because I have a hatred of institutions, which I don’t have.


I'm sorry, did you think I was an Anarchist or something?

Quit while you're ahead, dude. You're getting straw on the carpet.


He doesn't think you're an anarchist but he's vehemently opposed to any politics that seek to seriously disrupt the status quo.

Which is equal parts amusing and sad because the status quo is rapidly sending us towards a dead world and civilizational collapse.
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Postby Lady Victory » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:42 pm

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Lady Victory wrote:
I'm sorry, did you think I was an Anarchist or something?

Quit while you're ahead, dude. You're getting straw on the carpet.


He doesn't think you're an anarchist but he's vehemently opposed to any politics that seek to seriously disrupt the status quo.

Which is equal parts amusing and sad because the status quo is rapidly sending us towards a dead world and civilizational collapse.


The status quo is a geriatric plutocracy that is raping the planet and keeping the average joe in a state of survivalist-based poverty for the sake of profit.

Anyone who seeks to preserve that because mass social change scares them is by definition collaborating with an evil and oppressive regime tbqh.
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https://newjerseyglobe.com/governor/swe ... -governor/
I guess it’s never too early to announce a campaign?

Senate President Steve Sweeney told a group of union members on Tuesday that he intended to seek the Democratic nomination for governor in 2025, the New Jersey Globe has confirmed.

Sweeney lost re-election in a huge upset in November.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:49 pm

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Neither am I.

But I'm also not going to shill for a government built by the rich, for the rich, with the rich at the expense of the poor and founded on the death and suffering of millions.


And I’m going to be a “burn all down” type of guy because of a hatred of institutions, which I don’t have.


institutions need to be replaced when they suck. i'm probably one of the most institutional people here and even i see how bad it is. google won't reward you for simping for them
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