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Who do you think will win the Virginia Gubernatorial Race?

Terry McAuliffe(D)
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Glenn Youngkin(R)
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:03 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Antipatros wrote:They are a regional ally. There is also a very strong pro-Israel political lobby in the United States. Those are the two biggest reasons, I would say.

This gets said a lot, but I'm really not sure what tangible benefits the US gets from Israel.

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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:26 pm


Greitens resigned as governor in 2018 amid allegations that he hit, groped and coerced a woman who worked as his hairdresser into sexual contact. Greitens has denied the allegations. He faced a felony invasion-of-privacy charge linked to the case, and was separately accused of improperly taking a donor list from a nonprofit group he’d founded to help his political campaign. Both charges were later dropped.

Holy shit lol. Our leaders sure are our best and brightest, aren't they? /s

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:33 pm

Antipatros wrote:

Greitens resigned as governor in 2018 amid allegations that he hit, groped and coerced a woman who worked as his hairdresser into sexual contact. Greitens has denied the allegations. He faced a felony invasion-of-privacy charge linked to the case, and was separately accused of improperly taking a donor list from a nonprofit group he’d founded to help his political campaign. Both charges were later dropped.

Holy shit lol. Our leaders sure are our best and brightest, aren't they? /s


Ousting McConnell would be one of the dumbest things they could do.

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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Antipatros wrote:
Holy shit lol. Our leaders sure are our best and brightest, aren't they? /s


Ousting McConnell would be one of the dumbest things they could do.

I agree. It's probably not going to happen.

If it did come to pass, who would be a likely replacement? Most of the Senators who voted against the election certification are all pretty new. The most senior among them is Ted Cruz.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:41 pm

Antipatros wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ousting McConnell would be one of the dumbest things they could do.

I agree. It's probably not going to happen.

If it did come to pass, who would be a likely replacement? Most of the Senators who voted against the election certification are all pretty new. The most senior among them is Ted Cruz.


Cruz would be one of the worst people that could be made minority leader. he is absolutely despised and would be an albatross in the midterms.

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Postby The Andorian System » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:15 pm

Antipatros wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ousting McConnell would be one of the dumbest things they could do.

I agree. It's probably not going to happen.

If it did come to pass, who would be a likely replacement? Most of the Senators who voted against the election certification are all pretty new. The most senior among them is Ted Cruz.


A party leader should be a work horse, a guy who gets things done.

As a politician, Ted Cruz is definitely a show horse.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:27 pm

The Andorian System wrote:
Antipatros wrote:I agree. It's probably not going to happen.

If it did come to pass, who would be a likely replacement? Most of the Senators who voted against the election certification are all pretty new. The most senior among them is Ted Cruz.


A party leader should be a work horse, a guy who gets things done.

As a politician, Ted Cruz is definitely a show horse.


Not just that, but a show horse with a severe gastrointestinal problem that the rest of the stable stays away from if they can help it.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:34 pm

Deparment of Education investigating the Texas Education Agency after deeming that its guidance prohibiting mask mandates in schools last week may be “preventing school districts in the state from considering or meeting the needs of students with disabilities”

The federal government is investigating the Texas Education Agency after deeming that its guidance prohibiting mask mandates in schools last week may be “preventing school districts in the state from considering or meeting the needs of students with disabilities.”

The U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights launched the investigation on Tuesday, just days after the TEA quietly updated its public health guidance. On Friday, the state agency said that school districts once again can’t require face coverings, citing that courts are not blocking Gov. Greg Abbott’s executive order prohibiting local mask mandates.

The agency did not immediately respond to request for comment or say how or if it will enforce the order or if every school district in the state has been notified of this change.

In a letter to TEA Commissioner Mike Morath, federal officials said the investigation will focus on whether or not students with disabilities who are at greater risk for severe illness from COVID-19 are prevented from safely returning to in-person education, which would violate federal law, wrote Suzanne B. Goldberg, the acting assistant secretary for civil rights.

Goldberg wrote that her office is worried that Texas’ mask policy does not allow for “an equal educational opportunity to students with disabilities who are at heightened risk of severe illness from COVID-19.”

The education department has launched similar investigations in Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Utah. It had not done so in Texas because the TEA was previously not enforcing the governor’s order while there was ongoing litigation.

Disability Rights Texas, an advocacy group, filed a federal lawsuit in late August against Abbott and Morath. The group, which filed the lawsuit on behalf of 14 children, say that the governor's order and the TEA's enforcement of it, denies children with disabilities access to public education as they are at high-risk of illness and death from the virus. The group claims because of this, the state is violating the Americans with Disabilities Act and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act, which forbids organizations and employers from excluding or denying individuals with disabilities an equal opportunity to receive program benefits and services. The lawsuit has not yet been resolved.

The TEA’s guidance released Friday is the latest development in an ongoing war over coronavirus precautions that has left school officials and parents with whiplash about what requirements are — or aren’t — in place. [...]
School districts, cities and counties have fought Abbott’s order in court, and some have won temporary restraining orders allowing them to require face coverings. Meanwhile, Attorney General Ken Paxton has sued several school districts he says have mask mandates, making good on the state’s threat of coming after district's that defied the governor.

Those lawsuits aren’t all yet resolved and some have so far played out in different ways. That’s created even more confusion as a patchwork of differing local rules have popped up throughout the state.
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Postby Kanadorika » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:55 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:ngl if you want Israel to bomb less people funding Iron Dome is actually the right move. Also lmao has that thing been in there since like 2019?

Why not fund an Iron Dome for Palestine if we want to save people?
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:21 pm

Antipatros wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ousting McConnell would be one of the dumbest things they could do.

I agree. It's probably not going to happen.

If it did come to pass, who would be a likely replacement? Most of the Senators who voted against the election certification are all pretty new. The most senior among them is Ted Cruz.


Oh, I’m not too sure if it’s smart to dismiss the possibility of Mitch being ousted. The Republican Party is loyal to Donald Trump and they want to please him and his base. I can see a challenger popping up within the coming months.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:40 pm

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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:03 pm

The Andorian System wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Trump causing the downfall of McConnell would honestly be so hilarious.


It's almost as if Trump wants the GOP to lose the midterms.

He’ll blame it on rigged elections and claim they need more Trump, dude don’t care about anyone else.
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Antipatros wrote:I agree. It's probably not going to happen.

If it did come to pass, who would be a likely replacement? Most of the Senators who voted against the election certification are all pretty new. The most senior among them is Ted Cruz.


Oh, I’m not too sure if it’s smart to dismiss the possibility of Mitch being ousted. The Republican Party is loyal to Donald Trump and they want to please him and his base. I can see a challenger popping up within the coming months.

Certainly a possibility, but the Senate is rather less overtly Trumpy & less susceptible to it - I would bet it’d be more likely just around midterms.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:05 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:ngl if you want Israel to bomb less people funding Iron Dome is actually the right move. Also lmao has that thing been in there since like 2019?

Why not fund an Iron Dome for Palestine if we want to save people?

Do you want Israel just throwing up their hands and sign a formal alliance with the PRC? Because this is how you'll get it.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:07 pm

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:14 pm



And is walking the green mile to the senate
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:18 pm

Kowani wrote:Deparment of Education investigating the Texas Education Agency after deeming that its guidance prohibiting mask mandates in schools last week may be “preventing school districts in the state from considering or meeting the needs of students with disabilities”

The federal government is investigating the Texas Education Agency after deeming that its guidance prohibiting mask mandates in schools last week may be “preventing school districts in the state from considering or meeting the needs of students with disabilities.”

The U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights launched the investigation on Tuesday, just days after the TEA quietly updated its public health guidance. On Friday, the state agency said that school districts once again can’t require face coverings, citing that courts are not blocking Gov. Greg Abbott’s executive order prohibiting local mask mandates.

The agency did not immediately respond to request for comment or say how or if it will enforce the order or if every school district in the state has been notified of this change.

In a letter to TEA Commissioner Mike Morath, federal officials said the investigation will focus on whether or not students with disabilities who are at greater risk for severe illness from COVID-19 are prevented from safely returning to in-person education, which would violate federal law, wrote Suzanne B. Goldberg, the acting assistant secretary for civil rights.

Goldberg wrote that her office is worried that Texas’ mask policy does not allow for “an equal educational opportunity to students with disabilities who are at heightened risk of severe illness from COVID-19.”

The education department has launched similar investigations in Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Utah. It had not done so in Texas because the TEA was previously not enforcing the governor’s order while there was ongoing litigation.

Disability Rights Texas, an advocacy group, filed a federal lawsuit in late August against Abbott and Morath. The group, which filed the lawsuit on behalf of 14 children, say that the governor's order and the TEA's enforcement of it, denies children with disabilities access to public education as they are at high-risk of illness and death from the virus. The group claims because of this, the state is violating the Americans with Disabilities Act and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act, which forbids organizations and employers from excluding or denying individuals with disabilities an equal opportunity to receive program benefits and services. The lawsuit has not yet been resolved.

The TEA’s guidance released Friday is the latest development in an ongoing war over coronavirus precautions that has left school officials and parents with whiplash about what requirements are — or aren’t — in place. [...]
School districts, cities and counties have fought Abbott’s order in court, and some have won temporary restraining orders allowing them to require face coverings. Meanwhile, Attorney General Ken Paxton has sued several school districts he says have mask mandates, making good on the state’s threat of coming after district's that defied the governor.

Those lawsuits aren’t all yet resolved and some have so far played out in different ways. That’s created even more confusion as a patchwork of differing local rules have popped up throughout the state.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:20 pm

The Andorian System wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Trump causing the downfall of McConnell would honestly be so hilarious.


It's almost as if Trump wants the GOP to lose the midterms.


Trump only cares about himself. If McConnell fell it would likely have disastrous consequences for the party.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:20 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:ngl if you want Israel to bomb less people funding Iron Dome is actually the right move. Also lmao has that thing been in there since like 2019?

Why not fund an Iron Dome for Palestine if we want to save people?


Other than the prospect of arming an islamist terrorist group like Hamas? Well it wouldn't actually work. The Iron Dome system is an antiprojectile interception system. It's one of multiple systems the Israelis use to protect their air space and, despite being unweildly to set up and direct, is quite effective at stoping artillery shells and the types of rockets Hamas makes. However, unlike Hamas, Israel is an actual first world modern and mechanized military. The ID won't do shit against the laser guided bunker busters they drop on Gaza.
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Postby Diahon » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Andorian System wrote:
It's almost as if Trump wants the GOP to lose the midterms.


Trump only cares about himself. If McConnell fell it would likely have disastrous consequences for the party.

and it would be entirely caled for

fuck the gop for assisting trump in his mass-murdering campaign

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:24 pm

Diahon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Trump only cares about himself. If McConnell fell it would likely have disastrous consequences for the party.

and it would be entirely caled for

fuck the gop for assisting trump in his mass-murdering campaign


your words are an insult to peoples who have actually been the victim of mass murdering campaigns
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:39 pm

Diahon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Trump only cares about himself. If McConnell fell it would likely have disastrous consequences for the party.

and it would be entirely caled for

fuck the gop for assisting trump in his mass-murdering campaign

There is an old saying; be careful what you wish for. It could lead to massive losses for them but it could lead to gains.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:47 pm


So

this is the panic moment, my friends.
So this Continuing Resolution funds the government until December and lifts the debt ceiling until 2022. (It also contains disaster relief funds and Afghan refugee aid).

If the CR does not pass the Senate (where McConnell is saying that the Republicans will vote against it)-or more specifically, the debt ceiling lift does not-the US will default on its debt.
So what does that mean?
Now this has never happened before in the history of the country.
But the basic part of is that the economy will take a massive tumble.
How bad? Bad.

Failure to raise the limit on how much the US government can borrow could spark one of the biggest stock-market crashes in history and erase trillions of dollars in household wealth, Moody's Analytics said in a Tuesday report. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has warned that the government will hit the ceiling in mid-October. If the limit isn't lifted by then, the country faces "cataclysmic" economic fallout, economists led by Mark Zandi said. The team's simulations show a default on US debt powering a downturn similar to that seen during the Great
Recession. Gross domestic product would slide by nearly 4%. The country would lose almost 6 million jobs. The unemployment rate would surge to 9% from 5.2%.

And stock prices would crash by one-third during the worst of the selloff. The market nosedive would swiftly wipe out $15 trillion in household wealth.

"If lawmakers are unable to increase or suspend the debt limit ... the resulting chaos in global financial markets will be difficult to bear," the Moody's economists said. [...] The White House told state and local governments on Friday that failure to lift the debt ceiling would force stark cuts to federal support. Programs ranging from free school lunches to Medicaid would face a funding freeze. Disaster relief from FEMA would be dramatically scaled back. And the country would likely slide into recession as governments are forced to balance their budgets and slash jobs.


So how do we get around this?
1: 10 Republicans turn around and vote for it, to break the filibuster.
-This seems unlikely. McConnell is expecting to lose 4 to 6 votes.
2: Manchin and Sinema vote to put an exception to the filibuster for debt ceilings.
-This...does not seem likely (they've given no indication that they'd do it at all) but it could technically happen.
3. We do it through reconciliation.
-The bill isn't ready yet, almost certainly won't be in the time frame, and might not pass even if it happens to be so, thanks to inter-caucus fighting.
4. The treasury mints a trillion-dollar coin and deposits it with the Federal Reserve to get around the debt limit. (Yes, it's legal)
-Just like with Manchin and Sinema, Yellen hasn't said a thing about this at all (and I'm not certain how long that would take anyway)

So.
Prepare yourselves.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:49 pm

Kowani wrote:

So

this is the panic moment, my friends.
So this Continuing Resolution funds the government until December and lifts the debt ceiling until 2022. (It also contains disaster relief funds and Afghan refugee aid).

If the CR does not pass the Senate (where McConnell is saying that the Republicans will vote against it)-or more specifically, the debt ceiling lift does not-the US will default on its debt.
So what does that mean?
Now this has never happened before in the history of the country.
But the basic part of is that the economy will take a massive tumble.
How bad? Bad.

Failure to raise the limit on how much the US government can borrow could spark one of the biggest stock-market crashes in history and erase trillions of dollars in household wealth, Moody's Analytics said in a Tuesday report. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has warned that the government will hit the ceiling in mid-October. If the limit isn't lifted by then, the country faces "cataclysmic" economic fallout, economists led by Mark Zandi said. The team's simulations show a default on US debt powering a downturn similar to that seen during the Great
Recession. Gross domestic product would slide by nearly 4%. The country would lose almost 6 million jobs. The unemployment rate would surge to 9% from 5.2%.

And stock prices would crash by one-third during the worst of the selloff. The market nosedive would swiftly wipe out $15 trillion in household wealth.

"If lawmakers are unable to increase or suspend the debt limit ... the resulting chaos in global financial markets will be difficult to bear," the Moody's economists said. [...] The White House told state and local governments on Friday that failure to lift the debt ceiling would force stark cuts to federal support. Programs ranging from free school lunches to Medicaid would face a funding freeze. Disaster relief from FEMA would be dramatically scaled back. And the country would likely slide into recession as governments are forced to balance their budgets and slash jobs.


So how do we get around this?
1: 10 Republicans turn around and vote for it, to break the filibuster.
-This seems unlikely. McConnell is expecting to lose 4 to 6 votes.
2: Manchin and Sinema vote to put an exception to the filibuster for debt ceilings.
-This...does not seem likely (they've given no indication that they'd do it at all) but it could technically happen.
3. We do it through reconciliation.
-The bill isn't ready yet, almost certainly won't be in the time frame, and might not pass even if it happens to be so, thanks to inter-caucus fighting.
4. The treasury mints a trillion-dollar coin and deposits it with the Federal Reserve to get around the debt limit. (Yes, it's legal)
-Just like with Manchin and Sinema, Yellen hasn't said a thing about this at all (and I'm not certain how long that would take anyway)

So.
Prepare yourselves.


And that's just the economic repercussions. The political ones are....quite lethal to the Republic. Never forget Argentina in 2001, their democracy very nearly collapsed over almost the same thing.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:49 pm

Now I'm hoping this bill fails. I want another curveball to be thrown. I want... chaos.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:52 pm

Kowani wrote:

So

this is the panic moment, my friends.
So this Continuing Resolution funds the government until December and lifts the debt ceiling until 2022. (It also contains disaster relief funds and Afghan refugee aid).

If the CR does not pass the Senate (where McConnell is saying that the Republicans will vote against it)-or more specifically, the debt ceiling lift does not-the US will default on its debt.
So what does that mean?
Now this has never happened before in the history of the country.
But the basic part of is that the economy will take a massive tumble.
How bad? Bad.

Failure to raise the limit on how much the US government can borrow could spark one of the biggest stock-market crashes in history and erase trillions of dollars in household wealth, Moody's Analytics said in a Tuesday report. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has warned that the government will hit the ceiling in mid-October. If the limit isn't lifted by then, the country faces "cataclysmic" economic fallout, economists led by Mark Zandi said. The team's simulations show a default on US debt powering a downturn similar to that seen during the Great
Recession. Gross domestic product would slide by nearly 4%. The country would lose almost 6 million jobs. The unemployment rate would surge to 9% from 5.2%.

And stock prices would crash by one-third during the worst of the selloff. The market nosedive would swiftly wipe out $15 trillion in household wealth.

"If lawmakers are unable to increase or suspend the debt limit ... the resulting chaos in global financial markets will be difficult to bear," the Moody's economists said. [...] The White House told state and local governments on Friday that failure to lift the debt ceiling would force stark cuts to federal support. Programs ranging from free school lunches to Medicaid would face a funding freeze. Disaster relief from FEMA would be dramatically scaled back. And the country would likely slide into recession as governments are forced to balance their budgets and slash jobs.


So how do we get around this?
1: 10 Republicans turn around and vote for it, to break the filibuster.
-This seems unlikely. McConnell is expecting to lose 4 to 6 votes.
2: Manchin and Sinema vote to put an exception to the filibuster for debt ceilings.
-This...does not seem likely (they've given no indication that they'd do it at all) but it could technically happen.
3. We do it through reconciliation.
-The bill isn't ready yet, almost certainly won't be in the time frame, and might not pass even if it happens to be so, thanks to inter-caucus fighting.
4. The treasury mints a trillion-dollar coin and deposits it with the Federal Reserve to get around the debt limit. (Yes, it's legal)
-Just like with Manchin and Sinema, Yellen hasn't said a thing about this at all (and I'm not certain how long that would take anyway)

So.
Prepare yourselves.


The global financial system would also collapse and melt down as idiots decided to make the US dollar and treasury debt the basis of the entire system.

If the US can just print money then what do we need a debt ceiling or income tax for?
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