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Who do you think will win the Virginia Gubernatorial Race?

Terry McAuliffe(D)
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Glenn Youngkin(R)
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Postby Immortan Khan » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:05 pm

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Mossad is doing a bang up job of mucking up the works on their project, I saw we just let them handle it

Tbh it wouldn't really bother me if Iran got a nuclear weapon, it's not really feasible to expend so much effort to prevent countries from getting them, eventually a lot more countries will have them, because they're really not that difficult to make. Very time consuming, but the technology isn't that sophisticated by today's standards.

This. Plus Mossad can only delay it, they cannot prevent it. There's nothing really stopping any regional power from acquiring nukes anymore other than maybe initial start up cost. But for instance if Canada wanted to, it could have a sizeable nuclear arsenal within 6-12 months and there isn't much anyone could do about it. Japan, SK, and other countries with established nuclear industries can do the same.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:16 pm

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... port-state

Michigan GOP governor hopeful says he would support state abortion ban: recording

This is not going to help Mr. Craig in a general election. James Craig might very well get the nomination next year.

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Postby Merrill » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:24 pm

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There’s been too much Keysian stimulus already. We are on the precipice of runaway inflation. Taking on more debt by printing more money is dangerous. It will reduce buying power, slow down the growth we’ve had, and prevent people from getting back to work.


I wouldn't say we're on the precipice of runaway inflation myself. It is a little high, at about 5%, but we don't have the economic conditions needed to repeat the horrors of the 1970s at the present time. As for sticking to a budget, that is, for all practical purposes, impossible because numerous factors in government spending end up not turning out the way that the government initially intended for reasons that the government can't always control. Disaster relief spending, for example, or defence spending, can seriously upend a budget without it being the fault of the government itself.



There should be a “normal year” budget. A declared war could cause debt. As for this pandemic, we are 18 months into it, and both parties are guilty of using it as an excuse to push through everything they ever wanted. It’s reprehensible.
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Postby Forsher » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:24 pm

For the midterms, should the Democrats go all in on blaming the Republicans for Covid? Or would they be too concerned about getting blamed for not fixing the problems in the two years they've had?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/573234-in-recording-michigan-gop-governor-hopeful-says-he-would-support-state

Michigan GOP governor hopeful says he would support state abortion ban: recording

This is not going to help Mr. Craig in a general election. James Craig might very well get the nomination next year.


Difficult to say. Against Whitmer it'll be close no matter what.
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Postby Deblar » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:28 pm

Forsher wrote:For the midterms, should the Democrats go all in on blaming the Republicans for Covid? Or would they be too concerned about getting blamed for not fixing the problems in the two years they've had?

Blaming Republicans for COVID is pretty much inevitable, and validly, too. They could try to spin it as “we tried to fix it but the Republicans wouldn’t let us”. They also have some ammunition from the abortion ban in Texas

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:28 pm

Forsher wrote:For the midterms, should the Democrats go all in on blaming the Republicans for Covid? Or would they be too concerned about getting blamed for not fixing the problems in the two years they've had?


Don’t know. The reps did flub the management of covid and we are still dealing with the after effects with all the anti-vax sentiment.

Curious; what problems should they have solved already?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:30 pm

Deblar wrote:
Forsher wrote:For the midterms, should the Democrats go all in on blaming the Republicans for Covid? Or would they be too concerned about getting blamed for not fixing the problems in the two years they've had?

Blaming Republicans for COVID is pretty much inevitable, and validly, too. They could try to spin it as “we tried to fix it but the Republicans wouldn’t let us”. They also have some ammunition from the abortion ban in Texas

An ad showing Ron DeSantis ranting about mask mandates juxtaposed with images of people in Florida hospital beds ought to work. Just, please, make sure they are actually people in Florida hospitals from this year.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:32 pm

Forsher wrote:For the midterms, should the Democrats go all in on blaming the Republicans for Covid? Or would they be too concerned about getting blamed for not fixing the problems in the two years they've had?


Again, difficult to say. It would be easy to blame the lax efforts of many Republican governors, particularly Abbott and Desantis, for the spread of Delta in the US, and technically it would be correct, but there are also plenty of people who see the current crisis as one of choices made as Delta has mostly ravaged the willing unvaccinated. Consequently, many who've done their part are also losing patience with more traditional economic issues again, issues that have been exacerbated by the pandemic.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:33 pm

Merrill wrote:
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I wouldn't say we're on the precipice of runaway inflation myself. It is a little high, at about 5%, but we don't have the economic conditions needed to repeat the horrors of the 1970s at the present time. As for sticking to a budget, that is, for all practical purposes, impossible because numerous factors in government spending end up not turning out the way that the government initially intended for reasons that the government can't always control. Disaster relief spending, for example, or defence spending, can seriously upend a budget without it being the fault of the government itself.



There should be a “normal year” budget. A declared war could cause debt. As for this pandemic, we are 18 months into it, and both parties are guilty of using it as an excuse to push through everything they ever wanted. It’s reprehensible.

This coin counting in state budget matters lead to Germany decisively not digging itself out of the Great Depression and almost certainly enabled Hitlerism to come to power, why should we go back to it?
Also, if you are suddenly caring about inflation and debt, let's talk about Donald Trump's trillion dollar gift to the 1%.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:33 pm

Depends on the situation in a year - if it’s basically the same as now, absolutely. If it’s largely done with, probably not (unless it was very recent).

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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:36 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Merrill wrote:

There should be a “normal year” budget. A declared war could cause debt. As for this pandemic, we are 18 months into it, and both parties are guilty of using it as an excuse to push through everything they ever wanted. It’s reprehensible.

This coin counting in state budget matters lead to Germany decisively not digging itself out of the Great Depression and almost certainly enabled Hitlerism to come to power, why should we go back to it?
Also, if you are suddenly caring about inflation and debt, let's talk about Donald Trump's trillion dollar gift to the 1%.


Incidentally, the 57th Amendment over there is one of the things that's killing Laschet too, since he and the other Western states couldn't give more disaster relief since it would go over the debt brake.
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Postby Merrill » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:37 pm

Forsher wrote:For the midterms, should the Democrats go all in on blaming the Republicans for Covid? Or would they be too concerned about getting blamed for not fixing the problems in the two years they've had?


Both parties should apologize for misinformation, and lies.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:42 pm

Merrill wrote:
Forsher wrote:For the midterms, should the Democrats go all in on blaming the Republicans for Covid? Or would they be too concerned about getting blamed for not fixing the problems in the two years they've had?


Both parties should apologize for misinformation, and lies.


Not pandering to your narratives is not misinformation.
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Postby Merrill » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:44 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Merrill wrote:

There should be a “normal year” budget. A declared war could cause debt. As for this pandemic, we are 18 months into it, and both parties are guilty of using it as an excuse to push through everything they ever wanted. It’s reprehensible.

This coin counting in state budget matters lead to Germany decisively not digging itself out of the Great Depression and almost certainly enabled Hitlerism to come to power, why should we go back to it?
Also, if you are suddenly caring about inflation and debt, let's talk about Donald Trump's trillion dollar gift to the 1%.


Germany had difficulty with the depression because they literally inflated the money supply, causing the mark to become basically worthless.

First, what in all is of my posts made you think I support everything Trump did? I’m a libertarian. Second, if you’re talking about the tax cuts, it’s not a ‘gift’ to allow people to keep more of their own money. The economy was in excellent shape, and tax receipts were actually UP prior to Covid-19. Which is more important to you, the amount of money coming into the Treasury, or the % paid by those evil rich people?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:45 pm

Merrill wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:This coin counting in state budget matters lead to Germany decisively not digging itself out of the Great Depression and almost certainly enabled Hitlerism to come to power, why should we go back to it?
Also, if you are suddenly caring about inflation and debt, let's talk about Donald Trump's trillion dollar gift to the 1%.


Germany had difficulty with the depression because they literally inflated the money supply, causing the mark to become basically worthless.

you are conflating historical events lmao this is horrifyingly bad.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:47 pm

Merrill wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:This coin counting in state budget matters lead to Germany decisively not digging itself out of the Great Depression and almost certainly enabled Hitlerism to come to power, why should we go back to it?
Also, if you are suddenly caring about inflation and debt, let's talk about Donald Trump's trillion dollar gift to the 1%.


Germany had difficulty with the depression because they literally inflated the money supply, causing the mark to become basically worthless.

First, what in all is of my posts made you think I support everything Trump did? I’m a libertarian. Second, if you’re talking about the tax cuts, it’s not a ‘gift’ to allow people to keep more of their own money. The economy was in excellent shape, and tax receipts were actually UP prior to Covid-19. Which is more important to you, the amount of money coming into the Treasury, or the % paid by those evil rich people?


Actually, the Flight of the Mark was all but over by the end of 1923 with the implementation of the Lentenmark.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:51 pm

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Trump campaign knew soon after election that voting machine claims were false: report

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:19 pm


Had to actually look this up before I commented, good.
Why we're funding Israel's military in the first place I don't even know.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:25 pm

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ ... vote=00368

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:26 pm

ngl if you want Israel to bomb less people funding Iron Dome is actually the right move. Also lmao has that thing been in there since like 2019?
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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:27 pm

Genivaria wrote:

Had to actually look this up before I commented, good.
Why we're funding Israel's military in the first place I don't even know.

They are a regional ally. There is also a very strong pro-Israel political lobby in the United States. Those are the two biggest reasons, I would say.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:27 pm



Well, the bill is DOA now. Senate will never pass it.

Genivaria wrote:

Had to actually look this up before I commented, good.
Why we're funding Israel's military in the first place I don't even know.


We supply the rockets to the iron Dome. Gaza is doomed if this passes.
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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:28 pm

Antipatros wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Had to actually look this up before I commented, good.
Why we're funding Israel's military in the first place I don't even know.

They are a regional ally. There is also a very strong pro-Israel political lobby in the United States. Those are the two biggest reasons, I would say.

This gets said a lot, but I'm really not sure what tangible benefits the US gets from Israel.
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