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Who do you think will win the Virginia Gubernatorial Race?

Terry McAuliffe(D)
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57%
Glenn Youngkin(R)
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Total votes : 100

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Postby Corrian » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 pm

Most of the vote left is in Newsom-friendly area...Not only is he going to not be recalled, he's going to not be recalled by a HUGE margin.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 pm

Odreria wrote:
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Oh so.you are doing. bit. commitment is these bur the material needs work.

communism killed over 100 million people and it all started when the sexist senator yelled so much on tv and made me feel unsafe


you gotta dial that up like Kylo Renn.
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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:15 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Was his argument based on not enough teachers are fired based on a colloquialism about 'competence'?

I didn't catch what his source was on the competence figure. I'm not taking notes.

He's just kinda ranting right now. His stream also just cut out for a few seconds because some equipment overheated.

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Postby Odreria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:16 pm

Corrian wrote:Most of the vote left is in Newsom-friendly area...Not only is he going to not be recalled, he's going to not be recalled by a HUGE margin.

not only will he not be recalled by a huge margin, he might not be recalled at all!
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:18 pm

Antipatros wrote:Elder is out onto the stage.

https://www.electelder.com/


Remember the original reason for the lockdowns? It was to prevent hospitals from reaching capacity and overrunning our healthcare system. No such threat exists today. Instead, our ruling classes—with Governor Gavin Newsom as their poster boy—have repeatedly imposed mandates and moved the goalposts—which they themselves think they’re above—and shut down our businesses and inflicted unnecessary pain on ordinary Californians.


A Man Died After Being Turned Away From 43 ICUs At Capacity Due To COVID, Family Says
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... ay-demonia


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:18 pm

Ah dude, people making over $200,000 are actually coming in to the state, most of the loses are people under $50k. Seems like that 13% isn't as big an issue as you're making it.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:20 pm

High housing cost is because of environmentalism? Nah dude.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:23 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:High housing cost is because of environmentalism? Nah dude.


Expansive NIMBYism? Yes. Hellacious amounts of red tape? Yes. Historical Preservation run amok....slightly yes, but not as much as people think. Environmentalism....no.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:24 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:High housing cost is because of environmentalism? Nah dude.

He's a sexist, homophobic POS who actually opposed restricting the kind of chokeholds police can use, denies climate change and hates unions.
So he's just an all around POS.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:25 pm

Racism and literal segregation, not dividing us by race. Acknowledging racism, dividing us by race. Apparently.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:27 pm

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This speech is real ranty. I'm patiently waiting for him to get to the point.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:28 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Racism and literal segregation, not dividing us by race. Acknowledging racism, dividing us by race. Apparently.

Apparently when being accused of sexual harassment his defense was that the woman was too ugly for him to sexually harass her, and he's been accused of physically abusing his former fiance.

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Postby Narland » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:28 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Elder is out onto the stage.

https://www.electelder.com/


Remember the original reason for the lockdowns? It was to prevent hospitals from reaching capacity and overrunning our healthcare system. No such threat exists today. Instead, our ruling classes—with Governor Gavin Newsom as their poster boy—have repeatedly imposed mandates and moved the goalposts—which they themselves think they’re above—and shut down our businesses and inflicted unnecessary pain on ordinary Californians.


A Man Died After Being Turned Away From 43 ICUs At Capacity Due To COVID, Family Says
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... ay-demonia


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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:29 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:High housing cost is because of environmentalism? Nah dude.


Expansive NIMBYism? Yes. Hellacious amounts of red tape? Yes. Historical Preservation run amok....slightly yes, but not as much as people think. Environmentalism....no.


Well, partially yes. If you want to reduce emissions, putting restrictions on building companies is a good idea. One that many countries have in fact taken.
I do not know if the USA is one of those countries.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:34 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Racism and literal segregation, not dividing us by race. Acknowledging racism, dividing us by race. Apparently.

Apparently when being accused of sexual harassment his defense was that the woman was too ugly for him to sexually harass her, and he's been accused of physically abusing his former fiance.


I think there was a claimed instance of him being high and pointed a gun at an ex-girlfriend as well.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:37 pm

IF I understand the argument he just made was that if you used a magic wand that erased all of racism in white people the legacy of racism and racist policies would still effect black lives so...we don't need to learn about the legacy of racism and racist policies in America?

Well...how did this guy lose?
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:38 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Jeriga wrote:Great and all, but you stop that shit on the inside. Don't put our soldiers lives at risk by warning the enemy

Don't put our soldiers at risk starting a war with a massive nuclear power over a temper tantrum. Honestly this sounds like checks and balances at work so that one member of the government can't drag the whole country into a war on a whim.

So you're saying the military should reserve the right to decide that the actions of the elected, civilian government are not in the national interest and place itself in the role of a reviewer of the constitutional, democratic process, as well as decide when that process should be sidestepped?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:38 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:IF I understand the argument he just made was that if you used a magic wand that erased all of racism in white people the legacy of racism and racist policies would still effect black lives so...we don't need to learn about the legacy of racism and racist policies in America?

Well...how did this guy lose?


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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:39 pm

Where's the 'wrap it up' button? The concession speech shouldn't be longer than the count.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:39 pm

He better not start making a stink over voter fraud after all he's said about personal responsibility and "being a man" even when things don't go your way.

He does look like he's conceded.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:39 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:IF I understand the argument he just made was that if you used a magic wand that erased all of racism in white people the legacy of racism and racist policies would still effect black lives so...we don't need to learn about the legacy of racism and racist policies in America?

Well...how did this guy lose?


Indeed. The wands work. Abbot is going to eliminate rapists in Texas.

By not processing rape kits. A wizard for our times.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:39 pm

Antipatros wrote:He better not start making a stink over voter fraud after all he's said about personal responsibility and "being a man" even when things don't go your way.

He does look like he's conceded.

I stopped watching. Did he start talking about fraud?
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:40 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:Given how the PRC tends to think, it's quite the small chance imo.

something something barbarous orientals amirite, it’s okay to default to wars of extermination bc they don’t rlly count as ppl

Nope! Excellent stretch, though, you really reached fucking hard to find racism here lmfao. It's mostly that the PRC - that is to say, the government, since I apparently need to spell this shit out - are definitely not the understanding type. Most countries wouldn't be pleased if an Old Person Moment lead to some of their cities getting glassed. The PRC would prefer a global nuclear holocaust to another fifteen minutes of humiliation.

Still, this is a distraction from the actual point: the chance of Trump deciding to nuke anywhere was slim. And that slim chance didn't warrant the full extent of his actions, especially since they wouldn't have been a significant obstacle to Trump if he actually wanted to nuke somewhere, since that's not something that's up to the Chiefs of Staff.
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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:40 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Antipatros wrote:He better not start making a stink over voter fraud after all he's said about personal responsibility and "being a man" even when things don't go your way.

He does look like he's conceded.

I stopped watching. Did he start talking about fraud?

No. He's wrapping up right now.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:41 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Antipatros wrote:He better not start making a stink over voter fraud after all he's said about personal responsibility and "being a man" even when things don't go your way.

He does look like he's conceded.

I stopped watching. Did he start talking about fraud?

Not that I saw, but every now and then I think I was tuning him out and just humming the Cantina song in my head or something.


EDIT: Ah, no. They restarted it. That's my cue to bounce.
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