American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[San Lumen]

He does meet all the qualifications.


There needs to be an equal and opposite force to counterbalance the lunacy of "the squad". Still, I'm of the mind that her actual lunacy (or supposed brain damage?) is exaggerated by sensationalists in pursuit of ratings and clicks.


Our public school system needs improvement.

Also >buzzfeed
Opinion discarded.


Who do you refer to when you say "right wing terrorists"? Actual terrorists? People you don't like? Something in-between?

Actual terrorists. As in right wing nutters who think the only way to protect their way of life from the “globalists” is to blow up the local post office

We got a taste of that with the attempted mail bombings in October 2018.

[Proctopeo]

For our sake, I hope you're right. But all I've seen of her screams ''nutter'' rather loud.

She's definitely quite out there, but nowhere near the insane mastermind that she's presented as.

Actual terrorists. As in right wing nutters who think the only way to protect their way of life from the “globalists” is to blow up the local post office

There's rather few of them. I expect the actions taken to keep them in check to cause more damage than they actually will tbqh.

[Thermodolia]

For our sake, I hope you're right. But all I've seen of her screams ''nutter'' rather loud.

She's definitely quite out there, but nowhere near the insane mastermind that she's presented as.

Actual terrorists. As in right wing nutters who think the only way to protect their way of life from the “globalists” is to blow up the local post office

There's rather few of them. I expect the actions taken to keep them in check to cause more damage than they actually will tbqh.

Perhaps but I do feel that we are going to have a spike in right wing terrorism ala mid to late 90s

[San Lumen]

For our sake, I hope you're right. But all I've seen of her screams ''nutter'' rather loud.

She's definitely quite out there, but nowhere near the insane mastermind that she's presented as.

Actual terrorists. As in right wing nutters who think the only way to protect their way of life from the “globalists” is to blow up the local post office

There's rather few of them. I expect the actions taken to keep them in check to cause more damage than they actually will tbqh.

Oh really? Someone who thinks Sandy hook was false flag and endorses 9/11 conspiracies and compared masks to the Holocaust isn't insane?

[Senkaku]

they have the labyrinth organ, we have FaceTime


classism is when you say you want federal officials to have any kind of qualification for their position, and the less specific you are about what kind of qualification you want them to have the more classism it is

He does meet all the qualifications.

classism is when you can tell resident US citizens over the age of 25 apart from each other and have thoughts about them, and the more you can tell them apart the more classism it is

Our public school system needs improvement.

at least you're not going on a tear about how he's actually doing it on purpose to tweak classist liberal academics and is therefore a mega-genius lol

Also >buzzfeed
Opinion discarded.

yeah after the first Pulitzer they've suddenly pivoted to elaborate fanfiction

you should skim it, you might learn something

[Antipatros]

It doesn't help that he says repulsive bullshit like "If our election systems continue to be rigged and continue to be stolen, then it’s going to lead to one place — and it’s bloodshed, followed by "I will tell you, as much as I am willing to defend our liberty at all costs, there is nothing that I would dread doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow American." Bitch please.

I mean he’s not wrong. Just his way of getting there is highly incorrect.

Yes there will be bloodshed but not because of the education system or voting democrat, it’s going to be because right wing terrorists have gone nuts

What I got from his statement is that he (and the people he represents, a subset of Republican primary voters) are going to go ahead and engage in bloodshed if their demands aren't met.

[Proctopeo]

She's definitely quite out there, but nowhere near the insane mastermind that she's presented as.


There's rather few of them. I expect the actions taken to keep them in check to cause more damage than they actually will tbqh.

Perhaps but I do feel that we are going to have a spike in right wing terrorism ala mid to late 90s

Given that Afghanistan is under the control of the Taliban, a spike in general terrorism is likely. Whether or not foreign Islamic terror is blamed on domestic actors remains to be seen.

He does meet all the qualifications.

classism is when you can tell resident US citizens over the age of 25 apart from each other and have thoughts about them, and the more you can tell them apart the more classism it is

One joke, also maybe I'm just hungry but this doesn't make fucking sense

Also >buzzfeed
Opinion discarded.

yeah after the first Pulitzer they've suddenly pivoted to fanfiction

It's hard to take them seriously when they're directly attached to the biggest bullshit factory on the block.

She's definitely quite out there, but nowhere near the insane mastermind that she's presented as.


There's rather few of them. I expect the actions taken to keep them in check to cause more damage than they actually will tbqh.

Oh really? Someone who thinks Sandy hook was false flag

She doesn't.

and endorses 9/11 conspiracies

The best source on this is MediaMatters, so it seems dubious.

and compared masks to the Holocaust isn't insane?

She specifically compared it to the pre-Holocaust prosecution, which is a much milder level of shitty.

[Merrill]

No, that's the natural state of exististence.

The natural state of existence is working for a wage? Don't be ridiculous.
We produce far more with our modern technology than our ancestors could've dreamed of and yet we throw away more food every year in the United States than we consume simply because it's not profitable to give it to the hungry.
We don't NEED the profit motive, in fact we are being restrained by it.

Profit has nothing to do with it. Food is thrown away because government regulations forbid it from being given to soup kitchens, etc. In a prior career, I managed fast food restaurants. We tried VERY hard not to have unsold food, because it HAD to be trashed.

[Merrill]

People don't want to wear the masks because they were lied to. Anything other than a N-95 mask doesn't block the virus. We are being ordered to impede our breathing to no benefit. Also, the so called experts said that once people were vaccinated, the mask mandate would end. Just another lie...

Do not post Covid misinformation. Friendly warning.
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=482474

What "misinformation"? Everything in my statement is accurate.

[Antipatros]

The natural state of existence is working for a wage? Don't be ridiculous.
We produce far more with our modern technology than our ancestors could've dreamed of and yet we throw away more food every year in the United States than we consume simply because it's not profitable to give it to the hungry.
We don't NEED the profit motive, in fact we are being restrained by it.

Profit has nothing to do with it. Food is thrown away because government regulations forbid it from being given to soup kitchens, etc. In a prior career, I managed fast food restaurants. We tried VERY hard not to have unsold food, because it HAD to be trashed.

Isn't it more of a concern over liability? From what I understand, Congress has specifically passed a law in an attempt to address this (the Good Samaritan Act).

[Antipatros]

Do not post Covid misinformation. Friendly warning.
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=482474

What "misinformation"? Everything in my statement is accurate.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

[Senkaku]

classism is when you can tell resident US citizens over the age of 25 apart from each other and have thoughts about them, and the more you can tell them apart the more classism it is

One joke, also maybe I'm just hungry but this doesn't make fucking sense

the lesson is that wanting him to have any kind of relevant skill or experience (more than a birth certificate, an address, and a pulse) is not "classism"

yeah after the first Pulitzer they've suddenly pivoted to fanfiction

It's hard to take them seriously when they're directly attached to the biggest bullshit factory on the block.

I feel the same way about Fox, but if they published something with literally dozens of people from AOC's alma mater on the record saying she was a sexual predator, my instinct would not be to assume that it's pure fabrication just because I don't like them

and compared masks to the Holocaust isn't insane?

She specifically compared it to the pre-Holocaust prosecution, which is a much milder level of shitty.

is this supposed to be a defense of her godlike skills as a political operator and messager, or a defense of the substantive validity of comparing masking against COVID to the pre-Holocaust persecution, or both? because I don't think it's really doing either

[Merrill]

People don't want to wear the masks because they were lied to. Anything other than a N-95 mask doesn't block the virus. We are being ordered to impede our breathing to no benefit. Also, the so called experts said that once people were vaccinated, the mask mandate would end. Just another lie...

No, Merrill, it's changing guidance for changing conditions. Scientists are not politicians, and we must not hold them to the same standard of sticking to principles even in the advent of facts. As facts change, guidance changes.

Facts don't change. That's the definition of a fact. If politicians are going to make policy based on "The Science", they have a responsibility to actually understand it, and communicate it accurately. When the poster boy for politized science lies to the Senate, why should American citizens obey him?

[Duvniask]

Oh really? Someone who thinks Sandy hook was false flag

She doesn't.

Well, this one is more about Parkland, but it is something she actually thinks.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did ... ry-1564992

[Antipatros]

No, Merrill, it's changing guidance for changing conditions. Scientists are not politicians, and we must not hold them to the same standard of sticking to principles even in the advent of facts. As facts change, guidance changes.

Facts don't change. That's the definition of a fact. If politicians are going to make policy based on "The Science", they have a responsibility to actually understand it, and communicate it accurately. When the poster boy for politized science lies to the Senate, why should American citizens obey him?

Our understanding of the facts does change over time, though. How else is science supposed to work?

[Merrill]

So, you are just a bully, but you are not brave enough to oppress your co-workers yourself, so you outsource it to the government. Such a great, moral, kind human being you are!

How are vaccines oppression?

Being compelled to put a substance into your body or lose your job? That's not oppression?

[Senkaku]

Facts don't change. That's the definition of a fact.

Fact: the Moon is a tumbling disc of condensed fiery aether, suspended from the dome of heaven about ten thousand cubits above the highest peaks of the Carpathian Mountains (and anyone who says otherwise is lying to you! nothing can change our scientific certainty of this!)

[Merrill]

So, you are just a bully, but you are not brave enough to oppress your co-workers yourself, so you outsource it to the government. Such a great, moral, kind human being you are!

You aren’t exactly mr moral yourself dude. Especially with the whole “fuck you, I’ve got mine” attitude

I voluntarily give, and help others. My resentment is that money is taken from me by force, my robbers claim that they will use some of it to "Help the Poor", and then they do an absolute shit job of it! I'm being robbed just as a way to fund jobs for people who didn't lean a useful skill, and so became government employees.

[Senkaku]

How are vaccines oppression?

Being compelled to put a substance into your body or lose your job? That's not oppression?

That's what most of the population does every morning so they can wake up enough to be on time to work lmao

[Proctopeo]

One joke, also maybe I'm just hungry but this doesn't make fucking sense

the lesson is that wanting him to have any kind of relevant skill or experience (more than a birth certificate, an address, and a pulse) is not "classism"

Experience is how you get career politicians.

It's hard to take them seriously when they're directly attached to the biggest bullshit factory on the block.

I feel the same way about Fox, but if they published something with literally dozens of people from AOC's alma mater on the record saying she was a sexual predator, my instinct would not be to assume that it's pure fabrication just because I don't like them

no you wouldn't

She specifically compared it to the pre-Holocaust prosecution, which is a much milder level of shitty.

is this supposed to be a defense of her godlike skills as a political operator and messager, or a defense of the substantive validity of comparing masking against COVID to the pre-Holocaust persecution, or both? because I don't think it's really doing either

If out of the three supposed beliefs, only one of them can be verified to be half-true, then I think there's an issue.

She doesn't.

Well, this one is more about Parkland, but it is something she actually thinks.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did ... ry-1564992

And we circle back to Media Matters, alongside a screenshot taken by someone from Huffington Post. CNN's investigation found that she was hostile to the TLAs, which comes off as being more based than anything.

[Duvniask]

I'm being robbed just as a way to fund jobs for people who didn't lean a useful skill, and so became government employees.

When you're definitely the highpoint of societal contribution yourself, mr. productive.

[Merrill]

Wasn't the mask thing the official stance in early 2020, and then was never (publicly) corrected? I distinctly remember hearing that from... someone with authority. I don't recall if it was Fauci, the WHO, or someone else.

Anyways, I'm waiting for the Pfizer™ Twice-Daily COVID-19 Pills™ so I can crush them up and mix them with Ivermectin powder and snort the result

Masks were never official under 45.

No, but they were under the authoritarian governors and mayors! I still live under a public space mask mandate, and it's pissing me off!

So very many lies, starting with 2 weeks to flaten the curve...

[Shrillland]

No, Merrill, it's changing guidance for changing conditions. Scientists are not politicians, and we must not hold them to the same standard of sticking to principles even in the advent of facts. As facts change, guidance changes.

Facts don't change. That's the definition of a fact. If politicians are going to make policy based on "The Science", they have a responsibility to actually understand it, and communicate it accurately. When the poster boy for politized science lies to the Senate, why should American citizens obey him?

True, facts don't change, but as we learn more facts about something new, and lest we forget, COVID is something new, we're going to stumble and self-correct and receive new advice as we learn more about how to face this virus.

How are vaccines oppression?

Being compelled to put a substance into your body or lose your job? That's not oppression?

In this instance, it is not. By refusing to do what's necessary to keep this virus away, we put those who do follow the rules at risk, especially with Delta in the US and MU just arriving in California over the last week or so. By maintaining one's freedom not to get a vaccine, they are endangering the freedoms of others to live without debilitating conditions like long COVID or long-term lung damage, and indeed, taking away the freedoms of others to live.

[North Washington Republic]

Should non-veterans that suffer from severe mental illness and cannot work because of that receive welfare benefits? Many of your fellow welfare chauvinists say “absolutely not”. They only view those that have severe physical disabilities are deserving of welfare benefits, and those that suffer from mental health issues should just “get over it”.

Who the fuck are you talking to?

I’m talking to you. You self-identify as a “welfare chauvinist”. I’m asking you who would you exclude when it comes to welfare benefits.

[Antipatros]

Facts don't change. That's the definition of a fact. If politicians are going to make policy based on "The Science", they have a responsibility to actually understand it, and communicate it accurately. When the poster boy for politized science lies to the Senate, why should American citizens obey him?

Our understanding of the facts does change over time, though. How else is science supposed to work?

I mean, are scientists supposed to know everything all of the time, even before they investigate or study something? I'm not sure what the expectation is here.