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Is it no longer possible to collaborate with political opponents at this stage?

It is no longer possible.
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It is possible.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar economic views.
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Collaboration is possible if we have similar cultural/social views.
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Why would I collaborate with anyone? Going monke is the best way forward.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:26 pm

Picairn wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:I don't think people also realize how much heavy weapons people can access in the US. This isn't getting into how foreign countries would definitely smuggle weapons in.

Smuggle? Can they bypass the US Navy? After all, can't smuggle into the US (whether by land or by sea) if your weapon crates lay at the bottom of the sea.


Yeah it's super easy honestly. Our southern friends smuggle things up here on the daily, including over water.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:27 pm

Picairn wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:I don't think people also realize how much heavy weapons people can access in the US. This isn't getting into how foreign countries would definitely smuggle weapons in.

Smuggle? Can they bypass the US Navy? After all, can't smuggle into the US (whether by land or by sea) if your weapon crates lay at the bottom of the sea.

*takes one look at the drug trade*

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Postby Bombadil » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:28 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Picairn wrote:Smuggle? Can they bypass the US Navy? After all, can't smuggle into the US (whether by land or by sea) if your weapon crates lay at the bottom of the sea.


Yeah it's super easy honestly. Our southern friends smuggle things up here on the daily, including over water.


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Postby Immortan Khan » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:36 pm

Picairn wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:I don't think people also realize how much heavy weapons people can access in the US. This isn't getting into how foreign countries would definitely smuggle weapons in.

Smuggle? Can they bypass the US Navy? After all, can't smuggle into the US (whether by land or by sea) if your weapon crates lay at the bottom of the sea.

Yes. The US Navy couldn't adequately cover all ports and entry points. Further there is Mexico and Canada as land routes.
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Postby Picairn » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:37 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yeah it's super easy honestly. Our southern friends smuggle things up here on the daily, including over water.

Heloin wrote:*takes one look at the drug trade*

Then one thing is certain: we are going to strategic-bomb Mexico, and make them pay for it!
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:02 pm

Heloin wrote:
Picairn wrote:Smuggle? Can they bypass the US Navy? After all, can't smuggle into the US (whether by land or by sea) if your weapon crates lay at the bottom of the sea.

*takes one look at the drug trade*


Well, nobody actually cares about the drug trade.

I mean, we literally started it.
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:17 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Heloin wrote:*takes one look at the drug trade*


Well, nobody actually cares about the drug trade.

I mean, we literally started it.


Well quite, drug smuggling was fine as long as the commies were kept in their place.
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:53 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Well, nobody actually cares about the drug trade.

I mean, we literally started it.


Well quite, drug smuggling was fine as long as the commies were kept in their place.


Still is that way. Drug smuggling is a buzz word here now, not something to regularly take action on.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:10 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Well, nobody actually cares about the drug trade.

I mean, we literally started it.


Well quite, drug smuggling was fine as long as the commies were kept in their place.

Many things were fine when it was "against the commies".
Say - Al Queda and Bin Laden ;)
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Postby Kilobugya » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:50 pm

San Lumen wrote: If the Us Defaults the government can no longer borrow money. No one will lend to us. No one will by treasury bonds.


That's not exactly true, many countries did default at some point in history, and could borrow money afterwards. Argentina in the early 2000s being the latest example I know of, but there might be more recent ones. What's true is that after a default it's harder to borrow money, lenders will ask for significantly higher interest rate, so it's definitely not something to do lightly. But even that "penalty" tend to shrink with passing years.

That says I don't think the US should default, but more that it should :

1. Stop wasting money on wars, corporate welfare, ...
2. Raise taxes on the very rich and corporations.
3. Slowly erodes the existing debt away with a moderate level of inflation.
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Postby Kilobugya » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:52 pm

Ifreann wrote:There was never any possibility of preventing Kavanaugh from being confirmed, but if they'd laid the groundwork then for suspicions about corruption they'd be in a good position now to open impeachment hearings.


The problem is that Impeachment is a fully political, not legal process. It doesn't matter if we have firm proof Kavanaugh lied during his hearings, or had his debt paid back by Bin Laden's ghost, or is caught in bed with a dead boy and a live girl. As long as there enough GOP Senators to vote against convicting for political reasons, he'll keep his job.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:28 pm

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Postby Page » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:46 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Page wrote:
I can't speak for all anarchists but I am an absolutist of the principle that one should be free to do literally anything that does not harm an unconsenting third party.

Well, no, not really. Carrying an American flag doesn't harm an unconsenting third party, but you were ok with your fellow anarchists mistaking him for a fascist and attacking him. You do have restrictions that you would place on expression, even if no one is directly harmed. It's not magically better just because it's not done by state actors. So no, I do not think many movements are principled on that front, but certainly not anarchists.


That was not my position, my position was strong skepticism of the veracity of the narrative.

Again, it has become a trend for right-wing media sources to allege unprovoked antifa attacks. Andy Ngo convinced a good deal of people that his confrontation with antifa was "look, there's a random Asian stranger, let's beat him up" when in reality he is a famous fascist propagandist and they knew exactly who he was.

These stories are usually sus AF. Remember the viral video of the guy who said "I work for a corporation called Black Lives Matter" and exhorted a white woman to kneel to apologize for her white privilege? Remember all the Project Veritas videos, like when they tried to convince people that Planned Parenthood was helping them with human trafficking but it was proven that the Planned Parenthood employees were soliciting info to pass on the police and they called the police immediately after they left?

There is absolutely no credibility.

Also, unless they're carrying ancom flags or are known members of an anarchist group, how do you know they're anarchists at all rather than Marxist-Leninists?
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Postby Blargoblarg » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:51 am


Not surprising coming from the man who told his rich donors "nothing will fundamentally change" if he was elected. Pretty much the only campaign promise Biden has kept so far.
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Postby Kilobugya » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:13 am

Blargoblarg wrote:

Not surprising coming from the man who told his rich donors "nothing will fundamentally change" if he was elected. Pretty much the only campaign promise Biden has kept so far.


Apart from the prison industry and the few companies profiting from underpaid inmate labor, I don't really see how even "rich donors" have any interest in that... it just seems petty and mean to me, without any real motive. Typical from Trump, but I don't get what's Biden rational for it. Fear to appear to nice/soft with crime and lose some of the crucial suburban vote ?
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Postby New haven america » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:10 am

Blargoblarg wrote:

Not surprising coming from the man who told his rich donors "nothing will fundamentally change" if he was elected. Pretty much the only campaign promise Biden has kept so far.

Get new material, please, this quote's been corrected hundreds of times at this point.

I don't agree with what he did, at all. But I also don't like spam, so come on, be more original please.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:12 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
And the worst part is they've all been coming true, we're so fucked lol


I dunno, that ice age never happened

But, St. Malachy predicted that Pope Francis' successor will be the last Pope before the end of the world. Sounds like things are right on schedule.


It still can. As the ice melts and the Arctic Ocean is desalinated, making it easier to freeze in the winter, it can mean a larger amount of winter lake ice(because at that point it's not really a sea anymore), leading to colder temperatures further down the globe.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:37 am

Shrillland wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I dunno, that ice age never happened

But, St. Malachy predicted that Pope Francis' successor will be the last Pope before the end of the world. Sounds like things are right on schedule.


It still can. As the ice melts and the Arctic Ocean is desalinated, making it easier to freeze in the winter, it can mean a larger amount of winter lake ice(because at that point it's not really a sea anymore), leading to colder temperatures further down the globe.


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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:12 am

Page wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Well, no, not really. Carrying an American flag doesn't harm an unconsenting third party, but you were ok with your fellow anarchists mistaking him for a fascist and attacking him. You do have restrictions that you would place on expression, even if no one is directly harmed. It's not magically better just because it's not done by state actors. So no, I do not think many movements are principled on that front, but certainly not anarchists.


That was not my position, my position was strong skepticism of the veracity of the narrative.

Again, it has become a trend for right-wing media sources to allege unprovoked antifa attacks. Andy Ngo convinced a good deal of people that his confrontation with antifa was "look, there's a random Asian stranger, let's beat him up" when in reality he is a famous fascist propagandist and they knew exactly who he was.

These stories are usually sus AF. Remember the viral video of the guy who said "I work for a corporation called Black Lives Matter" and exhorted a white woman to kneel to apologize for her white privilege? Remember all the Project Veritas videos, like when they tried to convince people that Planned Parenthood was helping them with human trafficking but it was proven that the Planned Parenthood employees were soliciting info to pass on the police and they called the police immediately after they left?

There is absolutely no credibility.

Also, unless they're carrying ancom flags or are known members of an anarchist group, how do you know they're anarchists at all rather than Marxist-Leninists?

The source I provided was very clear; he was a liberal there to protest fascism, and it was clear they were antifa who went after them. Hell, we even have a hard core antifa on this site who admits that an American flag is proof enough in their view of fascism. Not everything is right-wing misinformation, despite the right embracing Q and embracing ideological insanity. That's why I avoided right-wing outlets and used Oregon live for my first story and the Washington Post for the second.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:15 am

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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:16 am

Immortan Khan wrote:
Yikes


Independents leading in the Midwest? Well, we are a political mess, I'll admit.
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Postby Lady Victory » Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:48 am

Immortan Khan wrote:
Yikes


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