American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[Picairn]

Look around, do you think a bunch of suburban F-150 owners with 4-inch dicks and mortgages are going to rise to the level of the Viet Cong in some coordinated national guerrilla struggle?

The thing is, the Viet Cong were heavily supplied and supported by North Vietnam through the Ho Chi Minh Trail on foreign soil of Laos and Cambodia. The US didn't want to openly wage war in those countries without causing an international incident, hence there were only "covert" bombings (in Laos) and limited surgical operations (in Cambodia in 1970). I'd be surprised if Canada or Mexico can carve a supply line into mainland US where the US Armed Forces and National Guard would have a free hand to operate.

[Daniel-Franklin]

The fact is that there are really two categories of the militia movement types:

1. The average fool who thinks that his lard ass could hack the hardships of asymmetrical war from his sofa while cheering on Fox or OAN.
2. The Oathkeeper types. Those guys are hardline and serious. And they don't have to be a huge number to be a threat.

[Senkaku]

The fact is that there are really two categories of the militia movement types:

1. The average fool who thinks that his lard ass could hack the hardships of asymmetrical war from his sofa while cheering on Fox or OAN.
2. The Oathkeeper types. Those guys are hardline and serious. And they don't have to be a huge number to be a threat.

They're not "hardline and serious," though, they couldn't even grab a couple senators out of a more-or-less-defenseless Capitol with a huge mob backing them up and doing most of the work for them. I'm sure some of them may individually be very tough or scary people; that's different from collectively being an organization that has the capability or the will to use violence against the state. Right now, not only do they not have the numbers, their primary mission is this weird, inferior form of drag where they all prance around at rallies in the sexiest new bulletproof vests and fatigues instead of normal drag king outfits.

[Kilobugya]

You're assuming that capitalists either accept or care about climate change.

Most accept it, even if they officially deny it. They just think their money will be able to shield them from most of the consequences, and they don't care if millions of people, especially poor people, especially in poorer countries, suffer or even die from it.

[Kilobugya]

Privatization of what, specifically?

Of government assets like Dams, power plants and airports that actually generate modest revenue for the government will be sold to investors. They call it "Asset Recycling".
It didn't work out too well in Australia.

That's a terrible idea indeed. Not only it'll lead to lower quality service, with corporations focusing on the most profitable parts, exploiting workers and not caring about the environment, but it also deprives the state of long-term revenue, which is especially silly in times of very low interest rates, to sacrifice long-term revenue for short-term gains.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The fact is that there are really two categories of the militia movement types:

1. The average fool who thinks that his lard ass could hack the hardships of asymmetrical war from his sofa while cheering on Fox or OAN.
2. The Oathkeeper types. Those guys are hardline and serious. And they don't have to be a huge number to be a threat.

The only comment I am making on this Post is, right wingers cheer on the right wing media, and leftists, anti Republicans and anti Trump Persons cheer on the leftist media.

[Comerciante]

The fact is that there are really two categories of the militia movement types:

1. The average fool who thinks that his lard ass could hack the hardships of asymmetrical war from his sofa while cheering on Fox or OAN.
2. The Oathkeeper types. Those guys are hardline and serious. And they don't have to be a huge number to be a threat.

The only comment I am making on this Post is, right wingers cheer on the right wing media, and leftists, anti Republicans and anti Trump Persons cheer on the leftist media.

Yes we understand that Water is Wet and Bread tastes like Bread.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The only comment I am making on this Post is, right wingers cheer on the right wing media, and leftists, anti Republicans and anti Trump Persons cheer on the leftist media.

Yes we understand that Water is Wet and Bread tastes like Bread.

Well, since my comment is fair and balanced, my comment is a Fact.

[Comerciante]

Yes we understand that Water is Wet and Bread tastes like Bread.

Well, since my comment is fair and balanced, my comment is a Fact.

Yes, we can see that it has also added nothing of substance to this debate, except perhaps wasted time.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Well, since my comment is fair and balanced, my comment is a Fact.

Yes, we can see that it has also added nothing of substance to this debate, except perhaps wasted time.

Al your posts, words and views are relevant too you. All Persons Posts, words and views are relevant too them. All my Posts, words and views are relevant too me. What my views added is, that it works both ways, not just one way. That in Politics everything works both ways, not just one way. There is a right wing media and a leftist media. The right wingers strongly believe the right wing media and the leftists strongly believe the leftist media, this is another fact my post contributed to the discussion and debate on this political forum site. Another point my post added to the discussion and debate on these related threads. The right wing media spins to the right and the leftist media spins it to the left. These are Facts, based on logic, objective Facts and the Scientific method process, I have been reading and studying. The leftist Poster I think seems to think it is only one sided, the right wing media negative and the leftist media positive, I said I think. The Point I am making is both medias are the same, it just happens to be which political side you are on, myself included. Fair, Balanced and Democratic. This my contribution to the discussion and debate on this particular post, fair, balanced and Democratic. I and us strongly disagree with you leftists and anti Trump Persons on this issue and most issues. But I know I don't have any problems with it?

lol according to who? Those who strongly disagree with my fair and balanced Democratic views? I know my fellow Republican Trump Supporter Patriots of the USA, strongly agree with all my views on all issues? This is what is important too me and us. But I strongly respect your democratic rights to strongly disagree with me and us on this issue and all issues. GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto, with Pride and Honor. Peace over and out till we respectfully chat again.

[Kowani]

The fact is that there are really two categories of the militia movement types:

1. The average fool who thinks that his lard ass could hack the hardships of asymmetrical war from his sofa while cheering on Fox or OAN.
2. The Oathkeeper types. Those guys are hardline and serious. And they don't have to be a huge number to be a threat.

They're not "hardline and serious," though, they couldn't even grab a couple senators out of a more-or-less-defenseless Capitol with a huge mob backing them up and doing most of the work for them. I'm sure some of them may individually be very tough or scary people; that's different from collectively being an organization that has the capability or the will to use violence against the state. Right now, not only do they not have the numbers, their primary mission is this weird, inferior form of drag where they all prance around at rallies in the sexiest new bulletproof vests and fatigues instead of normal drag king outfits.

friendly reminder that the Oath Keepers' "Quick Reaction Force" for the capital storming was an overweight boomer with a pacemaker and a bum leg

[Greater Miami Shores]

Gwen Berry:

Leftist Hollywood Star Rosanna Arquette: I Will Kneel in Protest of National Anthem, U.S. Flag ‘For the Rest of My Life’ Left-wing Hollywood star Rosanna Arquette has declared she will take a knee in protest of the national anthem and U.S. flag “for the rest of my life.” Her comment comes just days after athlete Gwen Berry turned her back as “The Star-Spangled Banner” played during the U.S. Olympic track and field trials.

Republican Senator Tom Cotton: “If Ms. Berry is so embarrassed by America, then there’s no reason she needs to compete for our country,” Cotton added. “She should be removed from the Olympic team.”

GMS, I cant say it better myself. I know my Proud fellow Republican Trump supporters strongly agree with Republican Senator Tom Cotton and me or is it I, on this one and most issues. My English Not Very Good.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/0 ... mpic-team/

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment ... f-my-life/

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Tucker Carlson thinks the NSA are spying on him, they deny it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57663136

[Vassenor]

Tucker Carlson thinks the NSA are spying on him, they deny it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57663136

Has he torn his microwave apart looking for the hidden cameras yet?

[Jeriga]

Gwen Berry:

Leftist Hollywood Star Rosanna Arquette: I Will Kneel in Protest of National Anthem, U.S. Flag ‘For the Rest of My Life’ Left-wing Hollywood star Rosanna Arquette has declared she will take a knee in protest of the national anthem and U.S. flag “for the rest of my life.” Her comment comes just days after athlete Gwen Berry turned her back as “The Star-Spangled Banner” played during the U.S. Olympic track and field trials.

Republican Senator Tom Cotton: “If Ms. Berry is so embarrassed by America, then there’s no reason she needs to compete for our country,” Cotton added. “She should be removed from the Olympic team.”

GMS, I cant say it better myself. I know my Proud fellow Republican Trump supporters strongly agree with Republican Senator Tom Cotton and me or is it I, on this one and most issues. My English Not Very Good.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/0 ... mpic-team/

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment ... f-my-life/

Public displays of protest against systemic racism is always a good thing.

I'm glad to know this is the kind if things the GOP is worried about. If only the GOP was passionate about real issues and wanted to fix the myriad of problems in the United states like police brutality and militarization, the massive amount of gun violence, healthcare inefficiency and cost, university cost, and the lack of real wage increases as well as worker rights, protections, and just... everything else.

This Olympian turning her back in protest is hardly a crisis.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Tucker Carlson thinks the NSA are spying on him, they deny it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57663136

Has he torn his microwave apart looking for the hidden cameras yet?

Well based on Republican Tucker Carlson's Proud views and comments on his show, and his comments on this link you posted. If I were Tucker Carlson, I would tear my microwave and house apart looking for the hidden microphones and cameras. I would look everywhere and anywhere.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Gwen Berry:

Leftist Hollywood Star Rosanna Arquette: I Will Kneel in Protest of National Anthem, U.S. Flag ‘For the Rest of My Life’ Left-wing Hollywood star Rosanna Arquette has declared she will take a knee in protest of the national anthem and U.S. flag “for the rest of my life.” Her comment comes just days after athlete Gwen Berry turned her back as “The Star-Spangled Banner” played during the U.S. Olympic track and field trials.

Republican Senator Tom Cotton: “If Ms. Berry is so embarrassed by America, then there’s no reason she needs to compete for our country,” Cotton added. “She should be removed from the Olympic team.”

GMS, I cant say it better myself. I know my Proud fellow Republican Trump supporters strongly agree with Republican Senator Tom Cotton and me or is it I, on this one and most issues. My English Not Very Good.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/0 ... mpic-team/

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment ... f-my-life/

Public displays of protest against systemic racism is always a good thing.

I'm glad to know this is the kind if things the GOP is worried about. If only the GOP was passionate about real issues and wanted to fix the myriad of problems in the United states like police brutality and militarization, the massive amount of gun violence, healthcare inefficiency and cost, university cost, and the lack of real wage increases as well as worker rights, protections, and just... everything else.

This Olympian turning her back in protest is hardly a crisis.

We are serious about all these issues. We want to fix all these issues. The Problem is the leftist, liberal, Democrat Progressives strongly disagree with us, GOP Republicans on the details. That is not our fault. The leftist Olympian taking a knee against the USA, the National Anthem, the Flag of the USA, the Pledge of Allegiance or any Pro American, Pro USA, Symbol, is disgraceful, she should be removed from the Pro USA, USA, USA, team.

[Jeriga]

Public displays of protest against systemic racism is always a good thing.

I'm glad to know this is the kind if things the GOP is worried about. If only the GOP was passionate about real issues and wanted to fix the myriad of problems in the United states like police brutality and militarization, the massive amount of gun violence, healthcare inefficiency and cost, university cost, and the lack of real wage increases as well as worker rights, protections, and just... everything else.

This Olympian turning her back in protest is hardly a crisis.

We are serious about all those issues. We want to fix all these issues. The Problem is the leftist, liberal, Democrat Progressives strongly disagree with us, GOP Republicans on the details. That is not our fault. The leftist Olympium taking a knee against the USA, the National Anthem, the Pledge of Allegiance or anything like that, is disgraceful, she should be removed from the Pro USA, USA, USA, team.

Then give us real solutions instead of backing the blue, blocking gun control, opposing socialized medicine, or any other solution people try.

Tell me, GMS, Pro USA USA USA what solutions you think are good for any real policy crisis. You do that and you have more of a platform than the GOP who are nothing but obstructionist.

No one cares what an athlete or celebrity does. It's a fake crisis to stir up moral outrage. This is a useless, pathetic talking point to enrage and distract. To make you feel like there is a culture war where there is none. Her reasons are rooted in systemic racism. Offer a solution to the real problem instead of attacking the people who protest them.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We are serious about all those issues. We want to fix all these issues. The Problem is the leftist, liberal, Democrat Progressives strongly disagree with us, GOP Republicans on the details. That is not our fault. The leftist Olympium taking a knee against the USA, the National Anthem, the Pledge of Allegiance or anything like that, is disgraceful, she should be removed from the Pro USA, USA, USA, team.

Then give us real solutions instead of backing the blue, blocking gun control, opposing socialized medicine, or any other solution people try.

Tell me, GMS, Pro USA USA USA what solutions you think are good for any real policy crisis. You do that and you have more of a platform than the GOP who are nothing but obstructionist.

No one cares what an athlete or celebrity does. It's a fake crisis to stir up moral outrage. This is a useless, pathetic talking point to enrage and distract. To make you feel like there is a culture war where there is none. Her reasons are rooted in systemic racism. Offer a solution to the real problem instead of attacking the people who protest them.

Gun control won't solve gun violence because American gun violence is caused chiefly by economic issues and a general downwards spiral of society as a whole. The entire topic is a red herring meant to distract from bigger issues that very likely cannot be solved within the confines of our political and economic system ie endemic poverty and a lack of hope for the future.

[Debate Proxy 1]

I am going to try a bit of Socratic reasoning here, and deploy several arguments, originally created by the left, that hopefully the left will understand.

Ho Chi Minh had originally appealed to the United States for an alliance against colonialism. An alliance, in his appeals to the League of Nations in 1919. How short the memory of history is! Given his personal lifestyle, actually refusing to live richly, he was probably a true believer in social equality.

Listen, then, to Ho Chi Minh. He sought an alliance with the U.S. at first and read from Jefferson's Declaration of Independence. Ho's writings on racism in the United States at no point, ever, suggested that the American Revolution was racist; he believed that the fight against British colonialism and colonialism in general was necessary to break slavery and racism.

Listen to James Madison. Those who actually, sincerely believe in equality of wealth instead of using it as a cynical cover ought to be taking the side of social mobility. If he were alive today, he'd never, ever stop trying to reason with the leftists and always hold tight to his guns while doing so.

Stop listening to the "extreme revisionists" who are rewriting our history and attempting to disarm the very working class that the left always claims to support.

You don't have to be right or left to see that colonialism is directly contradictory to the principle of government by the will of the people.

Our rulers at the time, Democrat rulers, decided to side with the French colonialists. One of the big issues that came into that debate was American authors, usually the liberal ones normally with the Democrats except on this particular issue, pointing out that the North Vietnam government at the time had armed practically its entire population, basing their anti-war argument on an argument for Second Amendment rights: the very same rights that you see Vietnam War veterans on the opposite side of the Vietnam issue are now defending for the people at home.

Even Communist governments can be forced to respect the democratic rights of the people so long as the people refuse to surrender their arms. But when the people of Vietnam trusted their rulers to take away their weapons, they have lived under an unchecked, thieving, murdering tyranny ever since, and nowhere nearer to equality.

The anti-Americanism we now see infecting the left and driving it insane did not come from Ho Chi Minh, who argued the United States were fundamentally good but hijacked by sweatshopping imperialists, following the old-style orthodox Marxist view of the American Revolution as a progressive phenomenon. Most likely, anti-American revisionism came from the Anglo-Canadian education system, where certain opponents of the war during the draft picked it up and repeated arguments word-for-word from the education system of our openly colonialist northern neighbors. For Christ's sake, there were even Soviet stamps issued with Benjamin Franklin's face on them, so strict Marxist doctrine can't be the cause of the recent attempts to defame and slander our Founding Fathers (media platformed, of course, by slave-labor profiteering billionaires like Bezos and Zuckerberg.) Whether the Soviets actually practiced what they preached or had a formula that leads to equality at all is an entirely and rightly debatable matter.

Let's set this straight: Marx had a good diagnosis of the monopoly problem. The cure didn't work. Everywhere it's ever been tried, everywhere, it has killed millions of people for absolutely no reason and created societies that were just as unequal as the ones they purported to cure.

The true believers of Communism always end up outnumbered and supplanted by the many, many more sociopaths in the world drawn to their state and party to constitute its power base. That's one reason we're not going to give up our First and Second Amendment rights or the democracy that comes with it.

Democracy, at bottom, produces demand and voter blocs for social mobility. The game of working hard and getting rich, properly checked and balanced, still and will always appeal to a lot of people when you've got democracy. If you attempt to move violently against the Constitution, it's not the blood of the people who are armed to the teeth that's going to be running in the streets. Your partisans' delusions of invincibility are going to get either yourselves or many other people killed, without any good reason to throw away your lives or other people's lives.

Listen to reason. You inveigh about evils and abuses of capitalism. But what do you have to replace it with? It's impossible not to be skeptical when hundreds of millions of people have been murdered and tortured around the world in the name of the cure, again and again, even when people who actually practiced what they preached were in charge of the socialist revolution. For your own well-being, you should be fighting for social mobility.

If you want to know what the difference between the bourgeois-democratic revolution and the bourgeois reactionaries is, look at who, within either the right or the left, champions arming the working class and who steals weapons from workers, and at who promotes free speech and open debate versus who tries to shut down the right to ask questions. Beyond right or left, that is the only issue that matters, and that means defending the American Revolution and the Bill of Rights.

[Vassenor]

...are you seriously complaining that parties don't hold the same positions they held a century ago?

[Jeriga]

Then give us real solutions instead of backing the blue, blocking gun control, opposing socialized medicine, or any other solution people try.

Tell me, GMS, Pro USA USA USA what solutions you think are good for any real policy crisis. You do that and you have more of a platform than the GOP who are nothing but obstructionist.

No one cares what an athlete or celebrity does. It's a fake crisis to stir up moral outrage. This is a useless, pathetic talking point to enrage and distract. To make you feel like there is a culture war where there is none. Her reasons are rooted in systemic racism. Offer a solution to the real problem instead of attacking the people who protest them.

Gun control won't solve gun violence because American gun violence is caused chiefly by economic issues and a general downwards spiral of society as a whole. The entire topic is a red herring meant to distract from bigger issues that very likely cannot be solved within the confines of our political and economic system ie endemic poverty and a lack of hope for the future.

Oh I agree. I'm just looking for him to actually give a solution to issues instead of spouting culture war bs.

[Shrillland]

...are you seriously complaining that parties don't hold the same positions they held a century ago?

They also say Blame Canada in an indirect way. And they assume that we're all ardent communists, when the real answer is neither capitalism nor socialism but eco-social democracy.

[Kowani]

Maricopa County to replace voting machines after the Republican "audit"

Officials in Arizona's largest county plan to stop using voting machines turned over to contractors hired by Republican state senators for a partisan audit of the 2020 election.

The Republican-controlled Maricopa County Board of Supervisors agreed with Democratic Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, who said in May that she had “grave concerns regarding the security and integrity of these machines” because the county had lost control of them. Hobbs said she would seek to decertify them if the county planned to continue using them. [...] The county spent $6.1 million to lease the machines from Dominion Voting Systems in a three-year contract that expires before the 2022 election. There are three one-year renewal options.

County officials said in a news release that they used backup equipment for local elections in March and May and are working with Dominion to replace the subpoenaed machines ahead of elections in November.

Fields Moseley, a spokesman for the county Board of Supervisors, said there will be a cost associated with using new machines but the exact amount is still unclear. He said the board hasn’t decided whether to seek reimbursement from the Senate. The Senate’s contractors said Friday that they have finished counting and photographing ballots, ending the most visible phase of the review. A final report isn’t expected for weeks or months.

[Greater Miami Shores]

We are serious about all those issues. We want to fix all these issues. The Problem is the leftist, liberal, Democrat Progressives strongly disagree with us, GOP Republicans on the details. That is not our fault. The leftist Olympium taking a knee against the USA, the National Anthem, the Pledge of Allegiance or anything like that, is disgraceful, she should be removed from the Pro USA, USA, USA, team.

Then give us real solutions instead of backing the blue, blocking gun control, opposing socialized medicine, or any other solution people try.

Tell me, GMS, Pro USA USA USA what solutions you think are good for any real policy crisis. You do that and you have more of a platform than the GOP who are nothing but obstructionist.

No one cares what an athlete or celebrity does. It's a fake crisis to stir up moral outrage. This is a useless, pathetic talking point to enrage and distract. To make you feel like there is a culture war where there is none. Her reasons are rooted in systemic racism. Offer a solution to the real problem instead of attacking the people who protest them.

lol, I am a Hispanic, I have stated, I have never felt discriminated in the USA. Black Lives Matter, White Euro Lives Matter, Asian American Lives Matter, Native American Indians as they are called in the US Census Matters and Blue Lives Matter. All Lives Matter. Like my good Cuban Cousin Cop Life, I have posted about a few times. In my native Cuba, the committees for the Defense of the eternal communist revolution as it has been practiced all over the world, and is still practiced in China, communist Laos and other nations, had the right and have the right to enter your houses and homes, look for and confiscate your guns. Is that what leftists want for the USA, the right to enter our houses and homes to look for and confiscate our guns? Guns protect honest, decent American citizens, against the bad guys? If we defund the Police, who are we going to call for help, a social worker? The life of the social workers would be in danger at the hands of the bad guys that don't care? There are Bad Cops and Good Cops, it happens from time to time. I love these good cops: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ho ... &FORM=VIRE