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What would you do?

NO to all Scenarios
7
17%
YES to all Scenarios
11
26%
NO to Scenario One; YES to Scenarios Two and Three
5
12%
NO to Scenarios One and Two; YES to Scenario Three
0
No votes
YES to Scenario One; NO to Scenario Two; YES to Scenario Three
14
33%
YES to Scenario One; NO to Scenarios Two and Three
1
2%
YES to Scenarios One and Two; NO to Scenario Three
1
2%
Unsure/Other
3
7%
 
Total votes : 42

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Major-Tom
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:09 am

Scenarios 1 and 3 seem pretty clear-cut. If I break some ribs doing CPR in scenario one, I can only hope he wouldn't sue. If he did, I'm lucky to know some good attorneys. Scenario 3 is very simple, it would be asinine not to intervene.

Scenario 2 is tricky. I think, in that moment, I'd be cocky and go for it. I've been a swimmer my whole life and probably wouldn't realize the 50/50 risk, or I'd convince myself that I was somehow "better-equipped" to handle that kind of an aquatic situation because of my experience having done dangerous and risky swims/dives. But, who knows.

Kilobugya wrote:
Page wrote:Even if I could guarantee that I could lunge for them without any risk to myself, I still wouldn't necessarily do it. Depends on the state of mind of the person. If they're having psychotic delusions and think that an alien tractor beam will pull them to heaven if they jump, then I would grab them. But if they were sane and just really wanted to die, I wouldn't.


I do support the right of someone to take his own life if they consistently desire so. But lots of suicide attempts happen due to temporary boot of hopelessness/panic/... and when prevented from committing suicide, many don't try again and are glad to have been saved. The line between "sane" and "temporary dementia" is very hard to draw, and some mental illness like depression are also very difficult to deal with, from an ethical point of view.


Pretty much. They did interviews with folks who survived the Golden Gate Bridge jumps (about 1 in 10 survive or something along those lines), and every single one of them remarked that "on the long fall down, they instantly regretted their decision." It would be well worth saving those lives in a hypothetical.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:43 am

Major-Tom wrote:Scenarios 1 and 3 seem pretty clear-cut. If I break some ribs doing CPR in scenario one, I can only hope he wouldn't sue. If he did, I'm lucky to know some good attorneys. Scenario 3 is very simple, it would be asinine not to intervene.

Scenario 2 is tricky. I think, in that moment, I'd be cocky and go for it. I've been a swimmer my whole life and probably wouldn't realize the 50/50 risk, or I'd convince myself that I was somehow "better-equipped" to handle that kind of an aquatic situation because of my experience having done dangerous and risky swims/dives. But, who knows.

Kilobugya wrote:
I do support the right of someone to take his own life if they consistently desire so. But lots of suicide attempts happen due to temporary boot of hopelessness/panic/... and when prevented from committing suicide, many don't try again and are glad to have been saved. The line between "sane" and "temporary dementia" is very hard to draw, and some mental illness like depression are also very difficult to deal with, from an ethical point of view.


Pretty much. They did interviews with folks who survived the Golden Gate Bridge jumps (about 1 in 10 survive or something along those lines), and every single one of them remarked that "on the long fall down, they instantly regretted their decision." It would be well worth saving those lives in a hypothetical.


From golden gate to the pearly gates. Falling down while climbing the stairway.

It's almost poetic :(
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Samudera Darussalam
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:30 pm

1. I would try to help, though.....I know little of CPR. I think while helping, I also would ask nearby people if they know how to do it properly and also ask for someone to call for emergency service/help.

2. I don't know how to swim, so no. However, I would ask for others who are able to swim to help the person in question.
I'm not sure if this is a scenario where I am unable to think rationally though.

3. This scenario is almost similar to a song I've heard.
I would do my best to help and stop the person from what I'm thinking they are about to do, and....well, ask them to talk about it. I don't care if I'm missing whatever that event is, and if it's necessary, I would also offer my number to the person, since this kind of thing I guess need more than a random night to be solved.
If it's needed and the person is okay with it, I would then call for help.
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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:35 pm

What if in either of the 3 scenarios said person's life isn't worth saving? As in it would be best for said person to just simply die?
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:09 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:What if in either of the 3 scenarios said person's life isn't worth saving? As in it would be best for said person to just simply die?

You don't know the nature of the person. They are a stranger to you -- as anyone who needs CPR in the middle of the street or is drowning at a beach is likely to be a stranger.

They could be generous and loving people with large families who would miss them. They could be cruel and spiteful misers from whom puppies cower. You wouldn't know when making your estimation.
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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:19 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:What if in either of the 3 scenarios said person's life isn't worth saving? As in it would be best for said person to just simply die?

You don't know the nature of the person. They are a stranger to you -- as anyone who needs CPR in the middle of the street or is drowning at a beach is likely to be a stranger.

They could be generous and loving people with large families who would miss them. They could be cruel and spiteful misers from whom puppies cower. You wouldn't know when making your estimation.


Well OK to a point, however, one could still be a stranger and yet be recognizable, in the case of an escaped prisoner or a fugitive for the sake of argument.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:29 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:You don't know the nature of the person. They are a stranger to you -- as anyone who needs CPR in the middle of the street or is drowning at a beach is likely to be a stranger.

They could be generous and loving people with large families who would miss them. They could be cruel and spiteful misers from whom puppies cower. You wouldn't know when making your estimation.


Well OK to a point, however, one could still be a stranger and yet be recognizable, in the case of an escaped prisoner or a fugitive for the sake of argument.

They could. But assume, for the sake of this hypothetical, they are just a random Mr. or Miss Jones about whom you know nothing at all.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:19 am

1 is the only scenario where one really ought not, since wearing that kinda badge well fuck around and find out, you know?
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Yeerosland
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Postby Yeerosland » Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:38 am

Kubra wrote:1 is the only scenario where one really ought not, since wearing that kinda badge well fuck around and find out, you know?


If I saw that badge on a living person I'd assume it was a joke. Or some feeble "don't fuck with me I'm a lawyer" bluff.

Near death experiences tend to change people's priorities too!

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