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Hard times at Hardee's: labour and death cult capitalism

Postby Nilokeras » Thu May 06, 2021 6:09 pm

As the end of the pandemic tunnel finally approaches across most of the developed world, one phenomena in particular seems to be on the minds of the investor class frequently in the last few weeks: labor shortages, particularly in the hospitality sector. From Bloomberg:

Bloomberg wrote:As the U.S. job market comes roaring back, there’s a growing debate about whether there are enough workers to power faster economic growth.

Companies from fast food chains like Chipotle Mexican Grill Inc. to chicken producer Pilgrim’s Pride Corp. and MGM Resorts International say they can’t find -- or entice -- enough workers. In earnings calls and business surveys, executives often blame stimulus checks and generous unemployment benefits for hampering hiring efforts.

But economists and policy makers are unclear about what’s really causing this gap and how long it will last. Hiring remains robust for now, indicating these labor disparities aren’t necessarily a problem. The worry is if labor shortages do persist -- especially in the leisure and hospitality industry -- that could slow demand and possibly lead to price increases.


The reasoning behind this labour shortage is pretty straightforward - newly expanded pandemic supports and unemployment benefits when combined with the ongoing danger of service positions to COVID exposure has seemingly pulled the rug out from under an industry notorious for poor pay, precarious working conditions and from being dominated by that particularly odious class of small business tyrant called the fast food franchisee. Given the benefit of stimulus checks and stronger benefits packages, workers are seemingly withdrawing their labour from the sector in unprecedented numbers, leading to viral twitter posts about drive through windows with signs saying 'Due to no staff we are CLOSED' and irritation at long waits and poor service.

Part and parcel with this withdrawal of labour is of course, the responses of capital and the state to the shortage and the drumbeat prerogative to get the economy 'back on track'. South Carolina has announced that it is ending participation in the federal pandemic unemployment benefits scheme specifically because of this labour shortage, calling them a 'dangerous federal entitlement' that encourages people to stay at home rather than work. One McDonald's franchisee in Florida, notably, hit upon the unique solution of offering $50 to people that show up to interview. This strategy bought them some breathless and upbeat news coverage, but according to reports on Twitter it came with a particularly ruthless twist:

Twitter wrote:You must fill out application and provide your social security number and drivers license with photo ID to get the interview. You will be offered a job. If you decline, you get reported to the [Florida] Employment Security Commission. If you are drawing unemployment, your benefits are terminated immediately because you refused a job. McDonald's will share your signed application with the Employment Security Commission to show you applied for a job, was offered a job and declined it.


All this highlights something I think the pandemic has brought to the surface in the way few modern crises have managed: the ways in which capital and government have co-mingled over the past few decades to create an environment of wage stagnation and ever-escalating 'pro work' tweaks and austerity measures to social safety nets, often with the specific intent of maintaining precarity and keeping labour costs low. In the coming months I expect there's going to be increasing pressure on the US federal government and governments across the Western world to immediately rollback all of the pandemic supports they put in place, even if (as is probably likely) COVID does not recede quietly and quickly away. All this while precarious workers continue to disprortionately die of the disease and the contradictions of our capitalist system continue to mount.

What sayest thou NSG? What do you think the future of the hospitality industry holds? Will we see a further rollback of benefits, or will governments go even farther and inaugurate a new era of 'austerity' in compensation for the COVID crisis and the brief glimmer of state action it provided?

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu May 06, 2021 6:13 pm

Kowani wrote:note: South Carolina is being joined by Montana in withdrawing from federal unemployment benefits


Don't be surprised if a majority of states soon do this, including some headed by dems.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu May 06, 2021 6:15 pm

And the Libertarians will still claim the problem is regulations.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu May 06, 2021 6:43 pm

That's what they get for treating their employees horribly and paying them almost nothing, then expecting them to put themselves at risk during a pandemic. I'm experiencing this right now, and I'd quit too if I didn't need to save up for college.
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Postby Nilokeras » Thu May 06, 2021 8:35 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:And the Libertarians will still claim the problem is regulations.


The consent manufacturing machine is going on a slightly different tack this time:

Fox News wrote:[Economist and Fox contributor] BRIAN BRENBERG: You just got to stop paying them not to work. That's what Montana's finding. I mean, they've got 25,000 unemployed people. They've got 14,000 open jobs. Stuart, if you have open jobs, the question is why aren't people taking them in?

One of the reasons is because we're paying people extra not to work. And it's not just Montana, it's across the country. I mean, business after business, 40% of businesses, Stuart, say the hardest thing they're dealing with right now is finding people to take open jobs. In the restaurant industry, one in four restaurants are saying, 'My biggest problem is I can't recruit anyone to work.'

So stop paying people to not work. You can solve that problem really quickly.

Businesses do have to bid up their wages to get workers, but they shouldn't be bidding against the federal government, who's handing out expanded unemployment benefits. That's not fair.

The problem is we're in this situation right now where businesses feel like they're competing against the federal government, a federal government who talks about being pro-worker and pro-business, and yet it's directly competing with those businesses who need those workers.

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Postby Aggicificicerous » Thu May 06, 2021 8:47 pm

People aren't avoiding work at Hardee's because the government is giving them a few hundred dollars. They're avoiding it because it's not worth the bad wages, poor benefits, and risk of Covid. Something needs to be done, but cutting measly government benefits when people are being evicted strikes me as going in the wrong direction.

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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 06, 2021 9:26 pm

Aggicificicerous wrote:People aren't avoiding work at Hardee's because the government is giving them a few hundred dollars. They're avoiding it because it's not worth the bad wages, poor benefits, and risk of Covid. Something needs to be done, but cutting measly government benefits when people are being evicted strikes me as going in the wrong direction.


Indeed, but try telling executives, franchise holders, and shareholders that they have a responsibility to treat employees like human beings with the respect and compensation that human beings deserve. They'll clutch their pearls and get the contempt-of-working-class-people machine running at full blast. We've seen some restaurants doing that here, and what comes into my mind is that they should consider better wages and benefits instead of closing restaurants for certain days.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu May 06, 2021 9:29 pm

Fast food isn't supposed to be a long term job anyways. Its to earn some quick cash for rent, college, trade school, or whatever else, until you land a better job and don't need to do such menial labor anymore. The old school expectation was that its for high school age kids or those that're just moving out into the world.

No one will want to go get fast food if it is too expensive. People can get groceries instead. Plus it doesn't take a lot of skill to flip burgers. It is reliant on there being high turnover for the industry to even work.
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Postby Odreria » Thu May 06, 2021 9:34 pm

Saiwania wrote:Fast food isn't supposed to be a long term job anyways. Its to earn some quick cash for rent, college, trade school, or whatever else, until you land a better job and don't need to do such menial labor anymore. The old school expectation was that its for high school age kids or those that're just moving out into the world.

No one will want to go get fast food if it is too expensive. People can get groceries instead. Plus it doesn't take a lot of skill to flip burgers. It is reliant on there being high turnover for the industry to even work.

What does this have to do with the topic
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Odreria wrote:What does this have to do with the topic


It has everything to do with the topic if we're discussing McDonalds and similar places not being able to find people willing to work for the lowest wages anymore. There is no way for those places to meaningfully up the pay without increasing the cost of the menu items which will make it so people perhaps just won't spend at such places anymore.

It is fundamentally a low pay if not minimum wage sector to work in, unless someone is a manager or franchise owner or has some specialized role that justifies getting paid more. That is why the norm is that someone typically works at McDonalds for just 1 year or 2 at best before quitting. Its no big deal because another person who is desperate for money will normally be ready to fulfill the role that was exited and made vacant by a person's departure. It doesn't work however, if too many people are able to do fine without resorting to working those sort of jobs.
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Saiwania wrote:Fast food isn't supposed to be a long term job anyways. Its to earn some quick cash for rent, college, trade school, or whatever else, until you land a better job and don't need to do such menial labor anymore. The old school expectation was that its for high school age kids or those that're just moving out into the world.

No one will want to go get fast food if it is too expensive. People can get groceries instead. Plus it doesn't take a lot of skill to flip burgers. It is reliant on there being high turnover for the industry to even work.


No job is "meant" for anything but for an owner to exploit any employee's labor. It is the goal of a fast food place, like all other private enterprises, to extract the most labor for the least amount of pay. They don't give a shit if it's a high school student or a single parent or an octogenarian. No job has ever been created to give someone experience or spending money, jobs are created to extract labor, period.

And do you think these "better jobs" come from thin air? Just like a fry cook, an employer will only create a "good" senior vice President job to extract labor. They will create no more jobs jobs they need to get them done.

And why should skill level have to do with anything? You know what takes absolutely no skills whatsoever? To inherit capital and let your money make money. The dumbest person on Earth can run a successful business if they have capital, all it takes is hiring people who know what to do. We don't live in a meritocracy, we never have and we never will.
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The pandemic benefits served their purpose, it is time for them to be phased out.
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Saiwania wrote:Fast food isn't supposed to be a long term job anyways. Its to earn some quick cash for rent, college, trade school, or whatever else, until you land a better job and don't need to do such menial labor anymore. The old school expectation was that its for high school age kids or those that're just moving out into the world.

No one will want to go get fast food if it is too expensive. People can get groceries instead. Plus it doesn't take a lot of skill to flip burgers. It is reliant on there being high turnover for the industry to even work.


If minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers then don't complain when you can't get drive-thru at noon on a weekday.

Also keep in mind that a Big Mac costs a whole thirty cents more in Denmark than it does in the US despite McDs paying its Danish workforce the equivalent of $20 an hour.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri May 07, 2021 5:03 am

Saiwania wrote:Fast food isn't supposed to be a long term job anyways. Its to earn some quick cash for rent, college, trade school, or whatever else, until you land a better job and don't need to do such menial labor anymore. The old school expectation was that its for high school age kids or those that're just moving out into the world.

No one will want to go get fast food if it is too expensive. People can get groceries instead. Plus it doesn't take a lot of skill to flip burgers. It is reliant on there being high turnover for the industry to even work.


And then the factories got automated or outsourced and the good paying jobs all required a college degree, something not everyone has the brains or money for.
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Political Geography wrote:
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No job is "meant" for anything but for an owner to exploit any employee's labor. It is the goal of a fast food place, like all other private enterprises, to extract the most labor for the least amount of pay. They don't give a shit if it's a high school student or a single parent or an octogenarian. No job has ever been created to give someone experience or spending money, jobs are created to extract labor, period.


Creationism fantasy. "Jobs" are a centuries-long tradition, which would not exist but for people willing to take the job.

It's idealism to think all the work would get done by volunteers (whether or not their living expenses were covered somehow). People work for money, it's the main motivation, and abolishing employers would drop us back centuries to everyone growing their own food, and trading cobbling services for child-care.

You don't like capitalism, I get it. Capitalism should be regulated far more strictly, I would agree. People shouldn't have to work to remain alive, and the essentials are easily plentiful enough (with some lifestyle changes like public bunkhouses) that work could be only for those who wish to be richer than the average. Working and non-working people would form distinct classes, but that's a problem for the future.

But removing capitalism and making it illegal for anyone to work for money? That's just plain stupid.


Wage labor is actually not something that existed in a widespread scale for most of human history. Trade has, but in ancient times it wasn't common to have things like a factory or a department store. Most businesses back then were self owned or had a very small labor pool. Compare that today to us being reliant on wage labor to live. You can't go start a farm cause the land out there is either owned by the state or federal government or corporations and you can't move to some unclaimed land cause, well, it's all claimed now. You HAVE to work to live in the United States. Sure we got these temporary unemployment benefits, but I'm calling it right here and now and you watch, they're probably not gonna last beyond 2021.
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Wild that people aren't interested in risking their lives and the lives of those close to them for the sake of less than minimum wage + tips.
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Ifreann wrote:Wild that people aren't interested in risking their lives and the lives of those close to them for the sake of less than minimum wage + tips.


My last fast food job literally was dangerous. From a toaster that shot fire to angry and volatile customers, I quit for a real reason.

My new job doesn't pay much better but at least the customers won't pull guns on you.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Wild that people aren't interested in risking their lives and the lives of those close to them for the sake of less than minimum wage + tips.


My last fast food job literally was dangerous. From a toaster that shot fire to angry and volatile customers, I quit for a real reason.

My new job doesn't pay much better but at least the customers won't pull guns on you.

That only happened to me when I worked in a liquor store.
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While I believe that the government is giving too much money in stimulus and unemployment checks, I believe they should simply be lessened to the minimum amount of cash people need to survive. That would ensure that, if people want more money for luxuries, they will look for work, while those who are satisfied will not starve to death.
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Helidan wrote:While I believe that the government is giving too much money in stimulus and unemployment checks, I believe they should simply be lessened to the minimum amount of cash people need to survive. That would ensure that, if people want more money for luxuries, they will look for work, while those who are satisfied will not starve to death.


Or employers could pay people more to entice people to work.
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Nilokeras wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:And the Libertarians will still claim the problem is regulations.


The consent manufacturing machine is going on a slightly different tack this time:

Fox News wrote:[Economist and Fox contributor] BRIAN BRENBERG: You just got to stop paying them not to work. That's what Montana's finding. I mean, they've got 25,000 unemployed people. They've got 14,000 open jobs. Stuart, if you have open jobs, the question is why aren't people taking them in?

One of the reasons is because we're paying people extra not to work. And it's not just Montana, it's across the country. I mean, business after business, 40% of businesses, Stuart, say the hardest thing they're dealing with right now is finding people to take open jobs. In the restaurant industry, one in four restaurants are saying, 'My biggest problem is I can't recruit anyone to work.'

So stop paying people to not work. You can solve that problem really quickly.

Businesses do have to bid up their wages to get workers, but they shouldn't be bidding against the federal government, who's handing out expanded unemployment benefits. That's not fair.

The problem is we're in this situation right now where businesses feel like they're competing against the federal government, a federal government who talks about being pro-worker and pro-business, and yet it's directly competing with those businesses who need those workers.


Gee, Brian, I dunno. I feel like if we paid people real money they wouldn't be so eager to stay on government life support, Brian. What do you think, Brian? Should we pay people what they're owed, Brian? That sounds pretty pro-worker to me, Brian, but what do I know? It's not like I'm an underpaid and overworked laborer who can scarcely afford rent even with two paychecks above minimum wage myself, Brian. Clearly you know better than I, Brian, with your net worth of $919,103 and yearly salary of $89,615. What I wouldn't give to have those numbers, Brian. :roll:
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We should pay people to not work more. And pay people more to not work. Fuck work.
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Helidan wrote:While I believe that the government is giving too much money in stimulus and unemployment checks, I believe they should simply be lessened to the minimum amount of cash people need to survive. That would ensure that, if people want more money for luxuries, they will look for work, while those who are satisfied will not starve to death.


Or employers could pay people more to entice people to work.


The alt free market lol.
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Postby Nilokeras » Fri May 07, 2021 7:49 am

Helidan wrote:While I believe that the government is giving too much money in stimulus and unemployment checks, I believe they should simply be lessened to the minimum amount of cash people need to survive. That would ensure that, if people want more money for luxuries, they will look for work, while those who are satisfied will not starve to death.


Here we can see the consent manufacturing process at work again. Unemployment benefits in Florida, for example, add up to $275 a week. With the pandemic supplement from the federal government that adds up to about $575 a week, or on an hourly rate for 40 hours of 'work' $16.25 an hour. That's just slightly above the living wage as calculated for Florida. Compare to the minimum wage in Florida, which is $8.65 an hour for non-tipped employees and $5.63 an hour for tipped employees, which are many of these people who are seemingly withdrawing their labour.

Which is why you can see the drumbeat filtering down from capital to you that these measures should be revoked in order to return things to the artificial state of immiseration that forced people to stay in jobs like these.

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