UK Politics Thread IX: Try turning the UK off and on again.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Young people are more likely to recognise KSI than any Hollywood actor.

Had to Google lol, I don't watch much TV let alone YouTube nonsense.

You're old.

[-Astoria-]

Had to Google lol, I don't watch much TV let alone YouTube nonsense.

You're old.

TIL I'm old.

[The Reformed American Republic]

While not all groomers are Pakistani, they are significantly overrepresented, and it is a problem that does need to be talked about.

So yeah, while we should not jump to conclusions about individual perpetrators when we have insufficient information, Pakistani groomers are a problem that need to be addressed.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Probably because there was one in 2014 that the government looked the other way on because they were Pakistani, and were scared of being racist.

As for your article, I hit a paywall. That being said, saying "They're diverse, we swear! No Evidence!" is not going to get people to forget these high profile cases. Being too politically correct to protect victims has consequences.

It's a soft paywall. Just click that you'll make an account later.

Thx

[Ifreann]

Paddington Bear arrested for arriving into Britain as a refugee.

[-Astoria-]

Paddington Bear arrested for arriving into Britain as a refugee.

Should've come with a passport; he had more than sixty years to get one. /s

[Dystopian Florida]

Both the UK and US need to drastically overhaul the entire system of immigration. It's not enough to crack down on illegal immigration hard, as we should, but we must also make legal immigration and asylum much easier and more streamlined to encourage that route. It's far too simplistic to say that immigration reform needs to be either enforcement or efficiency. It has to be both. However, Facebook and other social media posts should be evaluated in determining the prudence of admission of a particular applicant. That's far more reasonable than banning entire groups or sects or whatever. Keep the violent elements of all kinds out.

[The New California Republic]

Paddington Bear arrested for arriving into Britain as a refugee.

Fast forward several months: his asylum application has been rejected because reasons, and he's been languishing in a detention centre for months.

[Kerwa]

Pearl Assurance House just up the street is similarly horrible, although it was slightly improved when Five Guys started occupying a bit of it and put a glass front on the first floor.

The development I really want to see done is the pedestrianisation of Blackett street near the monument.

Yes. I remember it from the days it had that electronics shop, can’t remember the name.

To be honest I never go to that area when I’m back home. I did take an American friend to take a look at Trinity Square car park ages ago (before it was demolished) because he is a huge Micheal Caine fan (speaking of brutalism).

[The Nihilistic view]

Had to Google lol, I don't watch much TV let alone YouTube nonsense.

You're old.

Maybe in my head, I still have a 2 at the front of my age though.

[The Huskar Social Union]

For which OTHER party could current Labour voters see themselves voting?

None: 33%
Green: 26%
Liberal Democrat: 24%
Independent: 9%
Conservative: 8%
Don't know: 13%

[The Huskar Social Union]

And some Scottish Parliament polling:

Constituency:
SNP: 48% (=)
CON: 21% (-1)
LAB: 19% (-3)
LDM: 7% (=)
GRN: 2% (+1)

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Regional List:
SNP: 38% (-2)
CON: 19% (-4)
LAB: 19% (+1)
GRN: 11% (+3)
LDM: 7% (+2)

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Seat Projection:

SNP: 63 (-1)
LAB: 25 (+3)
CON: 23 (-8)
GRN: 11 (+3)
LDM: 7 (+3)

Via @YouGov, 18-22 Nov. Changes w/ 2021 Election.

Looks the Conservatives would lose a bunch of seats in the Regional voting to the benefit of everyone bar the SNP who lose one seat overall. Greens continue to build momentum.

[Ostroeuropa]

MP Nick Fletcher gives speech condemning the feminization of male characters in media (As in, recasting them as women), noting that this seems to overwhelmingly occur with non-violent role models leaving an increasingly unwholesome and violent representation of men in media, (Though then bafflingly also brings up James bond in his list), notes a lack of role models for young men, and ties this to various problems facing society, and criticizes the groups and trends behind this.

Needless to say I totally agree with him.

And ofcourse the response given was:

"It seems Nick Fletcher has stepped into the Tardis and taken a trip back to the 1950s, where his attitude belongs"

So, you know. That inspires confidence eh?

In fact there were quite a few brazenly (though not explicitly) MRA MP's in the mens day debate this year. More so than last year and the year before and so on. I hope the trend continues and if it does i'll probably end up joining the Tories.

[Shrillland]

MP Nick Fletcher gives speech condemning the feminization of male characters in media (As in, recasting them as women), noting that this seems to overwhelmingly occur with non-violent role models leaving an increasingly unwholesome and violent representation of men in media, (Though then bafflingly also brings up James bond in his list), notes a lack of role models for young men, and ties this to various problems facing society, and criticizes the groups and trends behind this.

Needless to say I totally agree with him.

And ofcourse the response given was:

"It seems Nick Fletcher has stepped into the Tardis and taken a trip back to the 1950s, where his attitude belongs"

So, you know. That inspires confidence eh?

In fact there were quite a few brazenly (though not explicitly) MRA MP's in the mens day debate this year. More so than last year and the year before and so on. I hope the trend continues and if it does i'll probably end up joining the Tories.

I find that hard to believe given that you're still a labourite at heart and won't stand for the working class being ground into dust by Conservative policy. Labour does not automatically mean woke, and the culture war, despite having a considerable degree of relevancy, is not the be-all end-all that its most vehement fighters claim it to be.

[Hukhalia]

In fact there were quite a few brazenly (though not explicitly) MRA MP's in the mens day debate this year. More so than last year and the year before and so on. I hope the trend continues and if it does i'll probably end up joining the Tories.

this is literally the reverse of the archetypal idpol socialist who supports neoliberal policy because it satisfies their perceived sense of social progressivism -- except in this case you're supposedly "pro-working class", yet you're willing to empower a brazenly pro-business party due to some ridiculous social concessions to your point of view.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

It does say something about Nick Fletcher's argument though when his examples are Ghostbusters, James Bond, Doctor Who, Luke Skywalker and The Equaliser are his cultural examples for this - outside of Luke Skywalker (and Luke and Rey are two entirely different characters so he was stretching a fucking ton here), none of these characters or properties are ones that engage young people - who are way more likely to cite YouTubers and other influencers as role models to themselves.

The Equaliser is especially laughable. Is the 2021 reboot of the 2014 reboot problematic as it deprives young boys of a role model but the 2014 reboot of the 1980s tv series not problematic despite it depriving young white boys of a role model by changing the character from a white male to a black one? If not, why not?

[Ostroeuropa]

In fact there were quite a few brazenly (though not explicitly) MRA MP's in the mens day debate this year. More so than last year and the year before and so on. I hope the trend continues and if it does i'll probably end up joining the Tories.

this is literally the reverse of the archetypal idpol socialist who supports neoliberal policy because it satisfies their perceived sense of social progressivism -- except in this case you're supposedly "pro-working class", yet you're willing to empower a brazenly pro-business party due to some ridiculous social concessions to your point of view.

Only if you don't take the long-term view. Labour need to be defeated on these issues conclusively for progress on them to be made. After that, they will become acceptable to me again.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"ill vote for the bourgie party against the interests of the proletariat because reasons"
gott im himmel

[Ostroeuropa]

I find that hard to believe given that you're still a labourite at heart and won't stand for the working class being ground into dust by Conservative policy. Labour does not automatically mean woke, and the culture war, despite having a considerable degree of relevancy, is not the be-all end-all that its most vehement fighters claim it to be.

I am a labourite at heart, but I am primarily a mens rights activist because that is where I am needed. The working class have plenty of advocates. The MRM has to punch above its weight to remain relevant.

"ill vote for the bourgie party against the interests of the proletariat because reasons"
gott im himmel

Which proletariat?

Men make up most of the proletariat and lumpenproletariat. Only when men are socially liberated and equal in status can they stand a chance of challenging capitalism.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I find that hard to believe given that you're still a labourite at heart and won't stand for the working class being ground into dust by Conservative policy. Labour does not automatically mean woke, and the culture war, despite having a considerable degree of relevancy, is not the be-all end-all that its most vehement fighters claim it to be.

I am a labourite at heart, but I am primarily a mens rights activist because that is where I am needed. The working class have plenty of advocates. The MRM has to punch above its weight to remain relevant.

"ill vote for the bourgie party against the interests of the proletariat because reasons"
gott im himmel

Which proletariat?

Men make up most of the proletariat and lumpenproletariat. Only when men are socially liberated and equal in status can they stand a chance of challenging capitalism.

go join the British Marxist Party ersumthing instead of voting for Priti "Starve the Irish" Patel.

[Hukhalia]

this is literally the reverse of the archetypal idpol socialist who supports neoliberal policy because it satisfies their perceived sense of social progressivism -- except in this case you're supposedly "pro-working class", yet you're willing to empower a brazenly pro-business party due to some ridiculous social concessions to your point of view.

Only if you don't take the long-term view. Labour need to be defeated on these issues conclusively for progress on them to be made. After that, they will become acceptable to me again.

social points of view aside, it appears you're still hanging on to multiple liberal presuppositions regarding the efficacy of western electoral systems in the struggle for socialism in the 21st century.

[Ostroeuropa]

I am a labourite at heart, but I am primarily a mens rights activist because that is where I am needed. The working class have plenty of advocates. The MRM has to punch above its weight to remain relevant.



Which proletariat?

Men make up most of the proletariat and lumpenproletariat. Only when men are socially liberated and equal in status can they stand a chance of challenging capitalism.

go join the British Marxist Party ersumthing instead of voting for Priti "Starve the Irish" Patel.

If I was going to go in for a third party i'd make my own mate. But i'm not going to do that.

Only if you don't take the long-term view. Labour need to be defeated on these issues conclusively for progress on them to be made. After that, they will become acceptable to me again.

social points of view aside, it appears you're still hanging on to multiple liberal presuppositions regarding the efficacy of western electoral systems in the struggle for socialism in the 21st century.

Conservatives i've spoken to are keen on market socialism as an experiment and i'd wager they'd be fine with drafting up laws to help codify businesses that wanted to do it. If only to dunk on the left and t-pose at them.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Which proletariat?

Men make up most of the proletariat and lumpenproletariat.

Is this still the case? The % of men and women in the workforce is pretty close to equal at this point iirc - so this may not be the case.

[Ostroeuropa]

Which proletariat?

Men make up most of the proletariat and lumpenproletariat.

Is this still the case? The % of men and women in the workforce is pretty close to equal at this point iirc - so this may not be the case.

I'd argue it is the case once you also include lumpenproles.

[Hukhalia]

Conservatives i've spoken to are keen on market socialism as an experiment and i'd wager they'd be fine with drafting up laws to help codify businesses that wanted to do it. If only to dunk on the left and t-pose at them.

1. "conservatives i've spoken to" <--- not an argument lol

2. it's nigh-impossible to formulate revolutionary strategy through bottom-up acquisition of the means of production via worker co-operatives; if only because they fail to take decisive hold of the large fundamental economic infrastructure which remains in the hands of the bourgeois state or bourgeoisie proper.