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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:00 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:...I do not understand this ...response.

SL probs thinks a majority of Americans are as idealistic as him...
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The majority of Americans just don’t give a fuck about things that don’t directly involve them.

Interestingly though gay marriage has a higher level of support nation wide than abortion does. So it’s slightly disingenuous to compare the two as a lot of the nation is effectively split down the middle in terms of support for abortion while support for gay marriage is actually at it’s all time highest point of 71%
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:01 pm

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How would they not be a relevant actor? Is a future Republican Congress and president going to pass a law rolling back Lgbt rights and then decide to completely ignore the courts when they strike it down?


Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide especially when 70 percent support it.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:01 pm

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Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide.


What are the people gonna do?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:02 pm

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Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide.

If they wanted your vote perhaps. What stake does a guy in deepest Alabama/Florida or most rural of rural Dakotas have in legal gay marriage?
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:03 pm

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San Lumen wrote:And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide.


What are the people gonna do?

Vote out those people.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:03 pm

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Why aren’t we isolating our power infrastructure from the rest of the Internet?

Because that costs money and you know how Puerto Rico has none of that stuff.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:04 pm

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What are the people gonna do?

Vote out those people.


I feel like you've missed the past couple of years entirely lol. The GOP doesn't care about democracy, in their ideal world those people won't be able to vote.
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San Lumen wrote:And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide.


What are the people gonna do?

Hopefully revolt
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:05 pm

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What are the people gonna do?

Vote out those people.

So what stake does a guy in deepest Alabama/Florida or most rural of rural Dakotas have in legal gay marriage that he feels so angry about it he will vote for a Democrat Senator?

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Postby Senkaku » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:06 pm

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Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide.

It might be political suicide in a democracy, but in a competitive authoritarian system it’s not actually clear that would be the case. Again: when people express fears over the consolidation of minority rule, it’s not just a philosophical principle, it’s because they’re worried the people in charge of the state could and would do things that most people don’t want. People are telling you they’re worried that mass democracy in the US is coming to an end, and your response is just “but that would be unpopular, they’d lose mass democratic elections if they did that!” It’s like a short-circuit or something, are you literally incapable of imagining that the fundamentals of the US political system could be changed by people you don’t like?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:07 pm

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What are the people gonna do?

Vote out those people.

SL have you perhaps realised that GOP's target demographic for these sort of stuff is not the urbanite intellectual voter? I.e. you?

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:07 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Why aren’t we isolating our power infrastructure from the rest of the Internet?

Because that costs money and you know how Puerto Rico has none of that stuff.

I’m talking in general. As in the US as a whole seems to have an issue with just leaving critical infrastructure networks connected to the regular internet.

You don’t see a lot of these attacks happening on the military because a lot of military infrastructure networks are isolated from the regular Internet
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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What are the people gonna do?

Vote out those people.

It seems like you literally can’t process why people are worried about voter suppression. It’s not just another liberal aesthetic issue that you get clout for posting about on Instagram or whatever, it’s because it undermines the entire concept of democratic power and accountability and creates a political context where “just vote” is no longer useful advice in any way.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:09 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Vote out those people.

SL have you perhaps realised that GOP's target demographic for these sort of stuff is not the urbanite intellectual voter? I.e. you?

The GOPs target demographic isn’t the suburbanite either. At least not everywhere. In Georgia and Arizona the GOP is losing or has lost the suburbs.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:10 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Vote out those people.

It seems like you literally can’t process why people are worried about voter suppression. It’s not just another liberal aesthetic issue that you get clout for posting about on Instagram or whatever, it’s because it undermines the entire concept of democratic power and accountability and creates a political context where “just vote” is no longer useful advice in any way.

SL overall appears to be labouring under some conviction that what he and other urbanite intellectuals believe matters to the GOP. It really doesn't...

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:12 pm

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:SL have you perhaps realised that GOP's target demographic for these sort of stuff is not the urbanite intellectual voter? I.e. you?

The GOPs target demographic isn’t the suburbanite either. At least not everywhere. In Georgia and Arizona the GOP is losing or has lost the suburbs.

Yes, my point being that if SL thinks his opinions matters to the GOP, he is fatally mistaken.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:16 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:The GOPs target demographic isn’t the suburbanite either. At least not everywhere. In Georgia and Arizona the GOP is losing or has lost the suburbs.

Yes, my point being that if SL thinks his opinions matters to the GOP, he is fatally mistaken.

Ya the GOP only cares about power. They don’t care about anything else
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Postby Myrensis » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:22 pm

It is the downside of the "America Exceptionalism" bullshit everyone gets spoonfed from birth in this country. It doesn't matter how brazen the GOP's attacks and attempts to subvert and undermine our democratic institutions are, it can't be that serious because everyone knows the breakdown of democracy and rise of illiberal authoritarian regimes is stuff that only happens in 3rd world shit holes, not in the gReaTeSt CouNtRy oN eArtH.

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:26 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Why aren’t we isolating our power infrastructure from the rest of the Internet?

Because that costs money and you know how Puerto Rico has none of that stuff.


Despite that, PREPA was still privatised this month and now charges $600-700 a month...where's the extra cash to take care of these things, I wonder?
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:26 pm

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yes, my point being that if SL thinks his opinions matters to the GOP, he is fatally mistaken.

Ya the GOP only cares about power. They don’t care about anything else


And it will backfire on them. Voter suppression can only go so far. Outright overturning elections will not go over well either.

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Postby Lady Victory » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:33 pm

Myrensis wrote:It is the downside of the "America Exceptionalism" bullshit everyone gets spoonfed from birth in this country. It doesn't matter how brazen the GOP's attacks and attempts to subvert and undermine our democratic institutions are, it can't be that serious because everyone knows the breakdown of democracy and rise of illiberal authoritarian regimes is stuff that only happens in 3rd world shit holes, not in the gReaTeSt CouNtRy oN eArtH.


It's actually scary how much of a grip American Exceptionalism has on the views of the average American, even those who reject it.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Yeah probably lol. Have you missed the GOP's transformation? I could totally see a Trumpist Republican saying "They've made their ruling, let them enforce it".

And that’s not going to go over well with many people. It would be political suicide especially when 70 percent support it.


I think you overestimate how important gay marriage is to people Lumen. If Donald Trump outlawed gay marriage for whatever reason, around half of voters would accept it.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:40 pm

Myrensis wrote:It is the downside of the "America Exceptionalism" bullshit everyone gets spoonfed from birth in this country. It doesn't matter how brazen the GOP's attacks and attempts to subvert and undermine our democratic institutions are, it can't be that serious because everyone knows the breakdown of democracy and rise of illiberal authoritarian regimes is stuff that only happens in 3rd world shit holes, not in the gReaTeSt CouNtRy oN eArtH.


No you see, that stuff only happens in brown people countries. That couldn't possibly happen in first world white America, right?

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800,000 people went without power

A large fire at an electrical substation for Puerto Rico's new electricity provider, Luma Energy, knocked out power for hundreds of thousands of the island's residents Thursday.

At the height of the blackout, nearly 800,000 customers were without power, according to Luma. By midnight, roughly 60,000 customers were still in the dark.

"The fire caused major blackouts across the entire island. The situation is under assessment and work is being done to restore the system," LUMA Energy tweeted.

The fire and blackout were not the only crises facing Luma on Thursday.

Earlier that day, the company announced its client portal and mobile app fell victim to a cyberattack that disrupted customer access to its online services.

The DDoS attack, or distributed denial of service attack, generated 2 million visits per second to the client portal and mobile app, impacting many customers' ability to access account information, according to Luma.

The company said in a statement that it "regrets that its customers experienced the inconvenience the attack may have caused and looks forward to continuing to provide them with an exceptional customer service experience." It's unclear whether the fire and DDoS attack are connected. Luma is just 10 days into its new role as the island's power authority. The prior energy provider for the island, Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority, had its own notorious struggles with blackouts, bankruptcy and overall mismanagement in the wake of Hurricane Maria in 2017.

Officials had cautioned residents to be patient in the early days of the transition as Luma inherited frail electric infrastructure. But even before Thursday's blackout, more than 1 million customers lost power just this month alone, not counting those affected by the substation fire, according to The Associated Press. The fire broke out in a transformer at Luma's Monacillo substation in San Juan, according to the company. Police and fire services went to the scene. No injuries have been reported.

In a message shared on social media, Gov. Pedro Pierluisi (PNP) referred to the incident as an "explosion."

Pierluisi said both state and federal law enforcement authorities are investigating. He added, "Whoever is responsible for it will have to answer to the People of Puerto Rico."

FBI San Juan authorities said they are "evaluating" the power outage and encouraged people with information to come forward.

The blackout comes as the island is still working to vaccinate its residents against the coronavirus. Vaccines must be kept at a low temperature to remain viable.

The island's Secretary of Health Carlos Mellado López said in a tweet that hospital services remain uninterrupted and that vaccines are still safe. "Our suppliers have generators and we have over 70 support centers to keep them safe," he wrote.


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