American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Tarsonis]

Yeah, I don't care. You've demonstrated multiple times that you can't be trusted to be reasonable. You have no metric for truth beyond supporting Trump. Engaging with you is an exercise in futility, and only serves to derail the thread. At this point, the entire forum would be better suited putting you on ignore. It's a sad state of affairs when self avowed fascists are more reasonable in their discourse than you are.

I have to answer this one. No one on NS agrees with any Persons they disagree with. It is called a Real debate. The same rules apply to me, you and all of us, on and off NS and Discodr. All of you who don't agree with me and us can put me on ignore and I will continue my democratic rights as an American Citizen Proud Republican Trump Supporter, Patriot Citizen of the USA, to post all my views with respect towards all of you, on all issues with Pride and Honor. I It is called real Democracy and Freedom of Speech, which I for one, Practice what I Preach with Pride and Honor, GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto

Freedom of Speech does not equate to a right to be heard. You have a right to post, we have a right to ignore. You've demonstrated you can't be reasoned with, so ignoring you is the only worthwhile course of action. After 4+ years of this, I'm surprised people even bother.

.I Rest My Case. lol.

You're still using that idiom wrong.

[San Lumen]

and set the stage to overturn elections when we don't.

Like in Arkansas, where the GOP legislature is enacting laws giving a GOP-controlled state board power to “institute corrective action” and “take over and conduct elections” in counties.

i could totally see them using a law like that to install a Republican mayor of Little Rock for example.

[Greater Miami Shores]

So what Insy my good Friend. You guys post biased, partisan, anti Republican, anti Trump Talking Points from the biased, partisan, anti Republican, anti Trump, leftist Media, and leftist, liberal, Democratic, Progressive Party, which you guys believe, than Post and Repost. But you get those kinds of Talking Points from the leftist media and leftist Democratic Party as I just described.

No you post opinion trying to masquerade it as fact. You don't get the difference and apparently never will.

So Insy my good friend, are you deciding for me or am I deciding for me? Are you guys deciding for me or am I deciding for me? Are you guys deciding for us, or are we deciding for us? I say I decide for me and we decide for us. You guys do not decide for me. You guys do not decide for us.

I am sure you guys would strongly disagree with me If I decide for you guys, I am sure you guys would strongly disagree with us, if we decide for you guys. I Rest My Case. I Rest Our Case. Based on Logic and Human Nature.

[San Lumen]

No you post opinion trying to masquerade it as fact. You don't get the difference and apparently never will.

So Insy my good friend, are you deciding for me or am I deciding for me? Are you guys deciding for me or am I deciding for me? Are you guys deciding for us, or are we deciding for us? I say I decide for me and we decide for us. You guys do not decide for me. You guys do not decide for us.

I am sure you guys would strongly disagree with me If I decide for you guys, I am sure you guys would strongly disagree with us, if we decide for you guys. I Rest My Case. I Rest Our Case. based on Logic and Human Nature.

You have rested no case when you have no case to begun with. There are not two sets of facts. Biden won a free and fair election and all challenges were dismissed by even Trump appointed judges is a fact. This is a not an opinion it is a fact.

[New haven america]

and set the stage to overturn elections when we don't.

Like in Arkansas, where the GOP legislature is enacting laws giving a GOP-controlled state board power to “institute corrective action” and “take over and conduct elections” in counties.

And I'm still not allowed to call most of the GOP fascist because...?

[Greater Miami Shores]

So Insy my good friend, are you deciding for me or am I deciding for me? Are you guys deciding for me or am I deciding for me? Are you guys deciding for us, or are we deciding for us? I say I decide for me and we decide for us. You guys do not decide for me. You guys do not decide for us.

I am sure you guys would strongly disagree with me If I decide for you guys, I am sure you guys would strongly disagree with us, if we decide for you guys. I Rest My Case. I Rest Our Case. based on Logic and Human Nature.

You have rested no case when you have no case to begun with. There are not two sets of facts. Biden won a free and fair election and all challenges were dismissed by even Trump appointed judges is a fact. This is a not an opinion it is a fact.

Insy my good friend. I will eventually took to you in private with personal respect, about these issues and other issues we need to talk about. I respect your democratic rights to your opinion. I respect your democratic rights to your opinions. I respect all Persons democratic rights to their opinions. While strongly disagreeing with them.

[Heloin]

Like in Arkansas, where the GOP legislature is enacting laws giving a GOP-controlled state board power to “institute corrective action” and “take over and conduct elections” in counties.

And I'm still not allowed to call most of the GOP fascist because...?

It upsets supporters of the fascist party.

[Tarsonis]

Gonna be totally honest, other than stomping nazis and the interstate, I know nothing about Ike

okay, so
stomping Nazis: very good
overseeing desgregation: very good
establishing NASA: very good
expanding social security: very good
helping shut down McCarthyism: very good
education reform: good
SCOTUS appointments: good

interstates: bad (one of the worst decisions by a president that wasn't an example of mass violence, imo)
coups in Iran and Guatemala: bad
korean war: i personally think this is bad, but my understanding is that americans at large tend to disagree with me
operation wetback: very bad
suburbanization: pretty bad
vietnam war: in his defense, nixon sabotaged the peace talks, but the war project wasn't exactly great
and of course, helping the french in their colonial war in vietnam is entirely on him

so while he's definitely got a lot of good things under his belt, he's got a lot of bad things as well

I'm gonna disagree on the interstates. I'm sure there's a climate change angle, but the interstates are vital infrastructure that allow us to move high quantity of a goods very quickly. It's vital for a growing population to get food from the agrarian belts to population centers.

Also, I like the fact that my drive to NC next week will take only about 14 hrs rather than 3-5 days.

[New haven america]

You have rested no case when you have no case to begun with. There are not two sets of facts. Biden won a free and fair election and all challenges were dismissed by even Trump appointed judges is a fact. This is a not an opinion it is a fact.

Insy my good friend. I will eventually took to you in private about this issue and other issues we need to talk about. I respect your democratic rights to your opinion. I respect your democratic rights to your opinions. I respect all Persons democratic rights to their opinions. While strongly disagreeing with them.

Well no you don't, because you declare what you believe to be fact and anyone who disagrees with you as opinions.

No matter what evidence is presented to the contrary, as you view opinions as lesser.

[San Lumen]

You have rested no case when you have no case to begun with. There are not two sets of facts. Biden won a free and fair election and all challenges were dismissed by even Trump appointed judges is a fact. This is a not an opinion it is a fact.

Insy my good friend. I will eventually took to you in private about this issue and other issues we need to talk about. I respect your democratic rights to your opinion. I respect your democratic rights to your opinions. I respect all Persons democratic rights to their opinions. While strongly disagreeing with them.

I am not insy. Say it here and not in telegram. You cannot distinguish fact from opinion.

If there was such fraud how was every other election missed? Why did even Trump appointed judges dismiss it?

Can you answer this directly and not with a canned answer?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

i wouldn't call eisenhower good
definitely better than most of what followed, and genuinely cared for the country
but damn if he didn't fuck it up in the most insidious way possible

Iran 1953.

To be somewhat fair, those fields were leased to the UK by treaty. Empowering the Shah was a bad way to deal with it though.

[Union of Socialist Council-Republics]

Crap, does that mean Trump is gonna run for a Congressional seat?

Nahh. As usual McCarthy is talking out of his ass.

Trump likes to be in charge and he can’t handle people telling him to fuck off. Speaker sounds cool but he doesn’t have the ability to force the democrats to do anything and that alone would drive him nuts.

But it would put him in line for the Presidency if they impeached Biden and Harris, which the Republicans would almost certainly do if they found themselves in control of Congress in 2022. That’s probably what he’s aiming for.

[San Lumen]

Nahh. As usual McCarthy is talking out of his ass.

Trump likes to be in charge and he can’t handle people telling him to fuck off. Speaker sounds cool but he doesn’t have the ability to force the democrats to do anything and that alone would drive him nuts.

But it would put him in line for the Presidency if they impeached Biden and Harris, which the Republicans would almost certainly do if they found themselves in control of Congress in 2022. That’s probably what he’s aiming for.

Your never going to get the 67 votes required in the Senate.

[Greater Miami Shores]

And I'm still not allowed to call most of the GOP fascist because...?

It upsets supporters of the fascist party.

To all of you, the Republican Party of the USA, is not a Fascist, Nazi Party, which is the same thing. Republican President Donald J Trump is not our Messiah, is not a dictator of any kind, is not our God Emperor President Trump, is not our God, is not a Fascist, is not a Nazi, which are the same thing. We Proud Republican Trump supporters, American Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor, are not fascists, are not Nazis, which are the same thing, No matter what any of you say, think, believe and link too. Why because we are us, and we know we are the opposite. I Rest My Case, and I Rest OUR Case, Peace over and out, my Friend, and My Friends.

[New haven america]

It upsets supporters of the fascist party.

To all of you, the Republican Party of the USA, is not a Fascist, Nazi Party, which is the same thing. Republican President Donald J Trump is not our Messiah, is not a dictator of any kind, is not our God Emperor President Trump, is not our God, is not a Fascist, is not a Nazi, which are the same thing. We Proud Republican Trump supporters, American Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor, are not fascists, are not Nazis, which are the same thing, No matter what any of you say, think, believe and link too. Why because we are us, and we know we are the opposite. I Rest My Case, and I Rest OUR Case, Peace over and out, my Friend, and My Friends.

You can keep saying it but that doesn't make it true.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It upsets supporters of the fascist party.

To all of you, the Republican Party of the USA, is not a Fascist, Nazi Party, which is the same thing. Republican President Donald J Trump is not our Messiah, is not a dictator of any kind, is not our God Emperor President Trump, is not our God, is not a Fascist, is not a Nazi, which are the same thing.

Wrong. The GOP is a fascist party, and they built a golden statue of Trump to show off at CPAC signifying they do see him as a messiah/God.

[Kowani]

okay, so
stomping Nazis: very good
overseeing desgregation: very good
establishing NASA: very good
expanding social security: very good
helping shut down McCarthyism: very good
education reform: good
SCOTUS appointments: good

interstates: bad (one of the worst decisions by a president that wasn't an example of mass violence, imo)
coups in Iran and Guatemala: bad
korean war: i personally think this is bad, but my understanding is that americans at large tend to disagree with me
operation wetback: very bad
suburbanization: pretty bad
vietnam war: in his defense, nixon sabotaged the peace talks, but the war project wasn't exactly great
and of course, helping the french in their colonial war in vietnam is entirely on him

so while he's definitely got a lot of good things under his belt, he's got a lot of bad things as well

I'm gonna disagree on the interstates. I'm sure there's a climate change angle, but the interstates are vital infrastructure that allow us to move high quantity of a goods very quickly. It's vital for a growing population to get food from the agrarian belts to population centers.

Also, I like the fact that my drive to NC next week will take only about 14 hrs rather than 3-5 days.

oh, we can't blame ike for the carbon emissions effects of highways-he had no way of knowing that at the time
but highways-and the simultaneous project of suburbanization and white flight that they were not merely instrumental but rather, central to?
yeah no that's been a disaster
the mass poverty and unsustainability of modern cities is quite simply impossible without the highways
it goes much farther than the direct bulldozing of black and immigrant neighborhoods to build them, though that is the most egregious
it's the creation of a permanent racialized underclass by extralegal means-and the instiutionalization thereof-a thing that could not and cannot happen without those very same highways creating and enabling wealth vacuums that is, in my opinion, the massive gaping hole in anyone's understanding of the eisenhower admin
unless we grapple with this-and how nimbyism as a coherent political force arises from this failure, then we are merely being smokescreened

[Exalted Inquellian State]

But it would put him in line for the Presidency if they impeached Biden and Harris, which the Republicans would almost certainly do if they found themselves in control of Congress in 2022. That’s probably what he’s aiming for.

Your never going to get the 67 votes required in the Senate.

The only way for it to happen is if the more radical wing of the Democrats decides Trump for half a term will somehow push the country to social democracy via accelerationism.

[Shrillland]

okay, so
stomping Nazis: very good
overseeing desgregation: very good
establishing NASA: very good
expanding social security: very good
helping shut down McCarthyism: very good
education reform: good
SCOTUS appointments: good

interstates: bad (one of the worst decisions by a president that wasn't an example of mass violence, imo)
coups in Iran and Guatemala: bad
korean war: i personally think this is bad, but my understanding is that americans at large tend to disagree with me
operation wetback: very bad
suburbanization: pretty bad
vietnam war: in his defense, nixon sabotaged the peace talks, but the war project wasn't exactly great
and of course, helping the french in their colonial war in vietnam is entirely on him

so while he's definitely got a lot of good things under his belt, he's got a lot of bad things as well

I'm gonna disagree on the interstates. I'm sure there's a climate change angle, but the interstates are vital infrastructure that allow us to move high quantity of a goods very quickly. It's vital for a growing population to get food from the agrarian belts to population centers.

Also, I like the fact that my drive to NC next week will take only about 14 hrs rather than 3-5 days.

Not so much climate change as the continued elimination of capital from minority neighbourhoods. Interstates in urban areas tended to go into them since wealthier and more influential(and whiter)communities managed early on to NIMBY them out. The consequent demolitions and limited accessibility to go across the roads at the time divided and further impoverished already afflicted communities. For most people, including Ike, this wasn't readily apparent at the time, however, and is only seen as a problem in retrospect.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Nahh. As usual McCarthy is talking out of his ass.

Trump likes to be in charge and he can’t handle people telling him to fuck off. Speaker sounds cool but he doesn’t have the ability to force the democrats to do anything and that alone would drive him nuts.

But it would put him in line for the Presidency if they impeached Biden and Harris, which the Republicans would almost certainly do if they found themselves in control of Congress in 2022. That’s probably what he’s aiming for.

oh you mean like the Democrats tried to impeach President Trump guilty twice, not for justice in America, the USA, for biased, partisan, Political Reasons. Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA to make it very clear,

[Heloin]

It upsets supporters of the fascist party.

To all of you, the Republican Party of the USA, is not a Fascist, Nazi Party, which is the same thing. Republican President Donald J Trump is not our Messiah, is not a dictator of any kind, is not our God Emperor President Trump, is not our God, is not a Fascist, is not a Nazi, which are the same thing. We Proud Republican Trump supporters, American Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor, are not fascists, are not Nazis, which are the same thing, No matter what any of you say, think, believe and link too. Why because we are us, and we know we are the opposite. I Rest My Case, and I Rest OUR Case, Peace over and out, my Friend, and My Friends.

Considering you're a supporter of a coup attempt to overturn a democratic election and install Trump for an illegal 2nd term (and likely much longer) I'm not going to consider your opinion on what is and isn't fascistic very highly.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Like in Arkansas, where the GOP legislature is enacting laws giving a GOP-controlled state board power to “institute corrective action” and “take over and conduct elections” in counties.

And I'm still not allowed to call most of the GOP fascist because...?

GOP: *builds auschwitz II*

American exceptionalists: n-no they're still not fascist because...because...

[New haven america]

Your never going to get the 67 votes required in the Senate.

The only way for it to happen is if the more radical wing of the Democrats decides Trump for half a term will somehow push the country to social democracy via accelerationism.

lol, accelerationism's dumb and has so far only pushed people further to the right.

[Union of Socialist Council-Republics]

But it would put him in line for the Presidency if they impeached Biden and Harris, which the Republicans would almost certainly do if they found themselves in control of Congress in 2022. That’s probably what he’s aiming for.

Your never going to get the 67 votes required in the Senate.

It’s highly unlikely that they’ll be able to get the necessary seats, but that won’t stop them from trying. And if impeachment isn’t on the table, they may look to fall back on the ‘second amendment people’.

[Tarsonis]

It upsets supporters of the fascist party.

To all of you, the Republican Party of the USA, is not a Fascist, Nazi Party, which is the same thing. Republican President Donald J Trump is not our Messiah, is not a dictator of any kind, is not our God Emperor President Trump, is not our God, is not a Fascist, is not a Nazi, which are the same thing. We Proud Republican Trump supporters, American Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor, are not fascists, are not Nazis, which are the same thing, No matter what any of you say, think, believe and link too. Why because we are us, and we know we are the opposite.

Nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are Nazis. There is a distinction, hence the dual use of the terms. Saiwania is an avowed fascist (I believe), he is not a Nazi.

I Rest My Case, and I Rest OUR Case,

Still using that idiom wrong.

Peace over and out, my Friend, and My Friends.

Also using that idiom wrong, but more correctly than you use the other one.