American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Could Biden make it permanent through XO, or is doing it as a temporary measure because that's the only thing he can do through XO, a permanent ban requiring a law (which Manchin would probably never vote for, even without the filibuster issue) ?

Executive Orders are never permanent cuz the next guy can just undo it. Case in point with this example actually, Biden is just undoing a change Trump made.

We're gonna get to a point that a president passes an executive order that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president. This executive order shit is honestly overused and abused.

[Kilobugya]

Executive Orders are never permanent cuz the next guy can just undo it. Case in point with this example actually, Biden is just undoing a change Trump made.

We're gonna get to a point that a president passes an executive order that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president. This executive order shit is honestly overused and abused.

But that's mostly (not only, sure) a consequence of Congress being gridlocked between the filibuster and the obstructionist policies of the GOP.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

We're gonna get to a point that a president passes an executive order that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president that reverses an executive order from the last president. This executive order shit is honestly overused and abused.

But that's mostly (not only, sure) a consequence of Congress being gridlocked between the filibuster and the obstructionist policies of the GOP.

The GOP has become the party of "block everything when a Democrat is in, do anything you wanna do when a Republican is in."

[Zurkerx]

"I hear all the folks on TV saying, 'Why doesn't Biden get this done?' Well, because Biden only has a majority of effectively four votes in the House and a tie in the Senate, with two members of the Senate who vote more with my Republican friends [...] Democracy itself is in peril, here at home and around the world.: American Democracy is about to show if it can save itself.

This quote came from Biden on Memorial Day, which shows he's starting to show his irritation with the likes of Manchin of Sinema. Whether he can do- which honestly he can't unless Democrats retain the House and expand their majorities- But American Democracy is under assault, especially since we have Trump Supporters, Subordinates, and Qanon backers parroting coup talking points and continuing their "insurrection". Btw, we do have what defines treason, sedition, insurrection, etc.:

Treason: "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

Rebellion or insurrection: "Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

Seditious conspiracy: "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

Seems to me that some of the actions that occurred fit these descriptions.

[Zurkerx]

Also, Federal Investigators Are Eyeing Rudy Giuliani’s Security Firm Giuliani Security & Safety (GSS) as Probe Ramps Up.

[San Lumen]

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/secret ... a-governor

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs has announced she will run for Governor.

[Zurkerx]

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/secretary-of-state-katie-hobbs-announces-run-for-arizona-governor

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs has announced she will run for Governor.

I feel she will be the Democrat Nominee, and she will likely face Yee in 2022 though I'm hearing the name Matt Salmon as a possible GOP Nominee.

In this case, this makes Arizona a purely toss-up State for the governor seat though the last Democrat they elected was Napolitano back in 2002.

[San Lumen]

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/secretary-of-state-katie-hobbs-announces-run-for-arizona-governor

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs has announced she will run for Governor.

I feel she will be the Democrat Nominee, and she will likely face Yee in 2022 though I'm hearing the name Matt Salmon as a possible GOP Nominee.

In this case, this makes Arizona a purely toss-up State for the governor seat though the last Democrat they elected was Napolitano back in 2002.

She probably will be. She's the strongest candidate Democrats could get. Hopefully they hold the Secretary of State's office and can gain the state legislature as well.

[Shrillland]

Another state added to the Plaza today with an interesting issue being voted on.

Maine: Back in 2016, Massachusetts passed a law requiring 9.45 million megawatts of its power to be generated by hydro or a hydro/renewable mix. This means having to buy power from hydro dams up in Quebec powered by the provincial energy company, Hydro-Quebec. To bring it down to Massachusetts requires high-capacity transmission lines....right across the Upper Kennebec Region of Maine, which in turn means cutting down a lot of trees. This became known as the NECEC(New England Clean Energy Connect)Corridor. After four years of pulling teeth, Maine was able to secure 500 Megawatt Hours worth of power each year from the lines and compensation from Hydro-Quebec, but many don't think this is worth the environmental impacts that the corridor will cause. So, this November, Maine will be voting on a measure that would explicitly ban the construction of high-capacity lines in the Upper Kennebec region and require a two-thirds majority of the Legislature to approve any future lines.

[Myrensis]

I feel she will be the Democrat Nominee, and she will likely face Yee in 2022 though I'm hearing the name Matt Salmon as a possible GOP Nominee.

In this case, this makes Arizona a purely toss-up State for the governor seat though the last Democrat they elected was Napolitano back in 2002.

She probably will be. She's the strongest candidate Democrats could get. Hopefully they hold the Secretary of State's office and can gain the state legislature as well.

Will be a good test of how fucked the country is. The Arizona GOP has gone full on, balls to the wall, happy to get on camera and tell you about it, batshit insane and is still conducting an 'audit' where they have crackpots looking for evidence that Joe Biden used Jewish space lasers to inscribe secret messages on ballots made of Chinese bamboo to steal the election.

If that isn't enough to turn voters away, then it will be pretty compelling evidence that America's conservative cancer is terminal.

[San Lumen]

She probably will be. She's the strongest candidate Democrats could get. Hopefully they hold the Secretary of State's office and can gain the state legislature as well.

Will be a good test of how fucked the country is. The Arizona GOP has gone full on, balls to the wall, happy to get on camera and tell you about it, batshit insane and is still conducting an 'audit' where they have crackpots looking for evidence that Joe Biden used Jewish space lasers to inscribe secret messages on ballots made of Chinese bamboo to steal the election.

If that isn't enough to turn voters away, then it will be pretty compelling evidence that America's conservative cancer is terminal.

It depends on how Maricopa county votes as its two thirds of the population. If its leftward trend continues into next year Republicans are screwed as a statewide election cannot be won without it and neither can a majority in the state legislature.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

She probably will be. She's the strongest candidate Democrats could get. Hopefully they hold the Secretary of State's office and can gain the state legislature as well.

Will be a good test of how fucked the country is. The Arizona GOP has gone full on, balls to the wall, happy to get on camera and tell you about it, batshit insane and is still conducting an 'audit' where they have crackpots looking for evidence that Joe Biden used Jewish space lasers to inscribe secret messages on ballots made of Chinese bamboo to steal the election.

If that isn't enough to turn voters away, then it will be pretty compelling evidence that America's conservative cancer is terminal.

Over 30% of Americans have left the known universe and ventured with Trump out into the void. Don't be surprised.

[Zurkerx]

She probably will be. She's the strongest candidate Democrats could get. Hopefully they hold the Secretary of State's office and can gain the state legislature as well.

Will be a good test of how fucked the country is. The Arizona GOP has gone full on, balls to the wall, happy to get on camera and tell you about it, batshit insane and is still conducting an 'audit' where they have crackpots looking for evidence that Joe Biden used Jewish space lasers to inscribe secret messages on ballots made of Chinese bamboo to steal the election.

If that isn't enough to turn voters away, then it will be pretty compelling evidence that America's conservative cancer is terminal.

Arizona's population has been growing despite not gaining any electoral college count. This growth is mostly towards young people (and people leaving States likes of California) taking advantage of growing opportunities, as well as a growing Hispanic population. This will be a good test: because a young diversifying State is making it purple but with the voting restrictions they're putting in place, it could hamper turnout and thus, keep the State a light red.

Arizona won't be the only test but if Democrats can succeed here, they'll have a fighting chance in places like Georgia though the laws there are more strict.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Will be a good test of how fucked the country is. The Arizona GOP has gone full on, balls to the wall, happy to get on camera and tell you about it, batshit insane and is still conducting an 'audit' where they have crackpots looking for evidence that Joe Biden used Jewish space lasers to inscribe secret messages on ballots made of Chinese bamboo to steal the election.

If that isn't enough to turn voters away, then it will be pretty compelling evidence that America's conservative cancer is terminal.

Arizona's population has been growing despite not gaining any electoral college count. This growth is mostly towards young people (and people leaving States likes of California) taking advantage of growing opportunities, as well as a growing Hispanic population. This will be a good test: because a young diversifying State is making it purple but with the voting restrictions they're putting in place, it could hamper turnout and thus, keep the State a light red.

Arizona won't be the only test but if Democrats can succeed here, they'll have a fighting chance in places like Georgia though the laws there are more strict.

Funny how with all the talk among Republicans of "Venezwellas," the way they run elections is become alot more like Venezuela.

[Senkaku]

Another state added to the Plaza today with an interesting issue being voted on.

Maine: Back in 2016, Massachusetts passed a law requiring 9.45 million megawatts of its power to be generated by hydro or a hydro/renewable mix. This means having to buy power from hydro dams up in Quebec powered by the provincial energy company, Hydro-Quebec. To bring it down to Massachusetts requires high-capacity transmission lines....right across the Upper Kennebec Region of Maine, which in turn means cutting down a lot of trees. This became known as the NECEC(New England Clean Energy Connect)Corridor. After four years of pulling teeth, Maine was able to secure 500 Megawatt Hours worth of power each year from the lines and compensation from Hydro-Quebec, but many don't think this is worth the environmental impacts that the corridor will cause. So, this November, Maine will be voting on a measure that would explicitly ban the construction of high-capacity lines in the Upper Kennebec region and require a two-thirds majority of the Legislature to approve any future lines.

you can’t make an omelette build a continental supergrid without breaking some eggs cutting down some trees

Get Hydro-Quebec to build some new stuff and extend the transmission lines further south, that plus the NY offshore wind farms would be a pretty great start for decarbonizing the eastern megalopolis

[Shrillland]

Another state added to the Plaza today with an interesting issue being voted on.

Maine: Back in 2016, Massachusetts passed a law requiring 9.45 million megawatts of its power to be generated by hydro or a hydro/renewable mix. This means having to buy power from hydro dams up in Quebec powered by the provincial energy company, Hydro-Quebec. To bring it down to Massachusetts requires high-capacity transmission lines....right across the Upper Kennebec Region of Maine, which in turn means cutting down a lot of trees. This became known as the NECEC(New England Clean Energy Connect)Corridor. After four years of pulling teeth, Maine was able to secure 500 Megawatt Hours worth of power each year from the lines and compensation from Hydro-Quebec, but many don't think this is worth the environmental impacts that the corridor will cause. So, this November, Maine will be voting on a measure that would explicitly ban the construction of high-capacity lines in the Upper Kennebec region and require a two-thirds majority of the Legislature to approve any future lines.

you can’t make an omelette build a continental supergrid without breaking some eggs cutting down some trees

Get Hydro-Quebec to build some new stuff and extend the transmission lines further south, that plus the NY offshore wind farms would be a pretty great start for decarbonizing the eastern megalopolis

True, but this is actually the second attempt at bringing lines down. The first was to bring them down through New Hampshire, but New Hampshire turned it down flat since they didn't really have anywhere quite as remote, and so would've seen more significant negative impacts to things like tourism and wildlife. They've thought about bringing them down through Vermont into the Berkshires, but being Vermont, Hydro-Quebec hasn't even consulted the state yet expecting to be turned down flat.

They also don't really need to build new dams anyway, Quebec has a ridiculous power surplus as a result of the dams already.

[Kowani]

Could Biden make it permanent through XO, or is doing it as a temporary measure because that's the only thing he can do through XO, a permanent ban requiring a law (which Manchin would probably never vote for, even without the filibuster issue) ?

Executive Orders are never permanent cuz the next guy can just undo it. Case in point with this example actually, Biden is just undoing a change Trump made.

I should probably mention this isn’t actually true
DACA was established through Exec. Order, but trump wasn’t allowed to just overturn it. It created a class of dependents who had an interest in seeing the benefits continue, so they had to be weighed in any attempt to overturn it via exec. order.
It depends on what the order does, basically.

[Senkaku]

you can’t make an omelette build a continental supergrid without breaking some eggs cutting down some trees

Get Hydro-Quebec to build some new stuff and extend the transmission lines further south, that plus the NY offshore wind farms would be a pretty great start for decarbonizing the eastern megalopolis

True, but this is actually the second attempt at bringing lines down. The first was to bring them down through New Hampshire, but New Hampshire turned it down flat since they didn't really have anywhere quite as remote, and so would've seen more significant negative impacts to things like tourism and wildlife. They've thought about bringing them down through Vermont into the Berkshires, but being Vermont, Hydro-Quebec hasn't even consulted the state yet expecting to be turned down flat.

They also don't really need to build new dams anyway, Quebec has a ridiculous power surplus as a result of the dams already.

I wonder what they think will happen to their tourism and wildlife and trees if they don't decarbonize! Funny stuff

[Shrillland]

True, but this is actually the second attempt at bringing lines down. The first was to bring them down through New Hampshire, but New Hampshire turned it down flat since they didn't really have anywhere quite as remote, and so would've seen more significant negative impacts to things like tourism and wildlife. They've thought about bringing them down through Vermont into the Berkshires, but being Vermont, Hydro-Quebec hasn't even consulted the state yet expecting to be turned down flat.

They also don't really need to build new dams anyway, Quebec has a ridiculous power surplus as a result of the dams already.

I wonder what they think will happen to their tourism and wildlife and trees if they don't decarbonize! Funny stuff

And keep in mind, the New Hampshire line didn't come with any of the concessions that Maine's managed to get out of them. Even so, that's how I see it.

[Kowani]

ugh

Senate’s parliamentarian has ruled that there are clear limits to how senators use the filibuster-proof budget reconciliation process multiple times per fiscal year, per ruling provided by a source. There must be compelling economic reason + would have to go through full process. The ruling will NOT prevent Democrats from attempting to use the budget process again in the next fiscal year, which begins October 1.
Even before this ruling, however, Dems were unlikely to use this budget process again until the fall as WH talks with GOP on infrastructure.

“Furthermore, whenever there are sharp revisions in the revenue or spending estimates or major developments in the economy it is expected that Congress would review its latest budget resolution and consider possible,” she writes. In practicality, this could affect next year’s plans, and would force Dems to argue that there was economic need to do reconcilaiton twice, a process that would not be subject to a filibuster and 60-vote threshold. They could still do it once next fiscal year

[Tyrassueb]

ugh

Senate’s parliamentarian has ruled that there are clear limits to how senators use the filibuster-proof budget reconciliation process multiple times per fiscal year, per ruling provided by a source. There must be compelling economic reason + would have to go through full process. The ruling will NOT prevent Democrats from attempting to use the budget process again in the next fiscal year, which begins October 1.
Even before this ruling, however, Dems were unlikely to use this budget process again until the fall as WH talks with GOP on infrastructure.

“Furthermore, whenever there are sharp revisions in the revenue or spending estimates or major developments in the economy it is expected that Congress would review its latest budget resolution and consider possible,” she writes. In practicality, this could affect next year’s plans, and would force Dems to argue that there was economic need to do reconcilaiton twice, a process that would not be subject to a filibuster and 60-vote threshold. They could still do it once next fiscal year

I'm reminded of how it's just possible to fire the parliamentarian and replace them with someone who is more likely to work with you like what's been done in the past, and yet the Dems continue to shoot themselves in the foot by not doing everything in their power to get the bills passed they were elected into Congress for.

[San Lumen]

ugh

Senate’s parliamentarian has ruled that there are clear limits to how senators use the filibuster-proof budget reconciliation process multiple times per fiscal year, per ruling provided by a source. There must be compelling economic reason + would have to go through full process. The ruling will NOT prevent Democrats from attempting to use the budget process again in the next fiscal year, which begins October 1.
Even before this ruling, however, Dems were unlikely to use this budget process again until the fall as WH talks with GOP on infrastructure.

“Furthermore, whenever there are sharp revisions in the revenue or spending estimates or major developments in the economy it is expected that Congress would review its latest budget resolution and consider possible,” she writes. In practicality, this could affect next year’s plans, and would force Dems to argue that there was economic need to do reconcilaiton twice, a process that would not be subject to a filibuster and 60-vote threshold. They could still do it once next fiscal year

I'm reminded of how it's just possible to fire the parliamentarian and replace them with someone who is more likely to work with you like what's been done in the past, and yet the Dems continue to shoot themselves in the foot by not doing everything in their power to get the bills passed they were elected into Congress for.

What do you expect them to do when you have a one seat majority and Republicans can fillibuster anything they want?

[Kowani]

Trump's statement blog has already shut down

Former President Donald Trump’s blog — a webpage where he shared statements after larger social media companies banned him from their platforms — has been permanently shut down, his spokesman said Wednesday.

The page “From the Desk of Donald J. Trump” has been scrubbed from Trump’s website after going live less than a month earlier.

It “will not be returning,” his senior aide Jason Miller told CNBC.

“It was just auxiliary to the broader efforts we have and are working on,” Miller said via email. He declined to provide additional details about those efforts.

“Hoping to have more information on the broader efforts soon, but I do not have a precise awareness of timing,” Miller said.

But asked online later Wednesday whether the move was a “precursor” to the former president joining “another social media platform,” Miller replied: “Yes, actually, it is. Stay tuned!”

[Tobleste]

ugh

Senate’s parliamentarian has ruled that there are clear limits to how senators use the filibuster-proof budget reconciliation process multiple times per fiscal year, per ruling provided by a source. There must be compelling economic reason + would have to go through full process. The ruling will NOT prevent Democrats from attempting to use the budget process again in the next fiscal year, which begins October 1.
Even before this ruling, however, Dems were unlikely to use this budget process again until the fall as WH talks with GOP on infrastructure.

“Furthermore, whenever there are sharp revisions in the revenue or spending estimates or major developments in the economy it is expected that Congress would review its latest budget resolution and consider possible,” she writes. In practicality, this could affect next year’s plans, and would force Dems to argue that there was economic need to do reconcilaiton twice, a process that would not be subject to a filibuster and 60-vote threshold. They could still do it once next fiscal year

I'm reminded of how it's just possible to fire the parliamentarian and replace them with someone who is more likely to work with you like what's been done in the past, and yet the Dems continue to shoot themselves in the foot by not doing everything in their power to get the bills passed they were elected into Congress for.

People like Sinema and Manchin are basically Republican-lite. I think they're happy to pose as the savours of the people in elections and do nothing to change the status quo when in office.

[Zurkerx]

Trump's statement blog has already shut down

Former President Donald Trump’s blog — a webpage where he shared statements after larger social media companies banned him from their platforms — has been permanently shut down, his spokesman said Wednesday.

The page “From the Desk of Donald J. Trump” has been scrubbed from Trump’s website after going live less than a month earlier.

It “will not be returning,” his senior aide Jason Miller told CNBC.

“It was just auxiliary to the broader efforts we have and are working on,” Miller said via email. He declined to provide additional details about those efforts.

“Hoping to have more information on the broader efforts soon, but I do not have a precise awareness of timing,” Miller said.

But asked online later Wednesday whether the move was a “precursor” to the former president joining “another social media platform,” Miller replied: “Yes, actually, it is. Stay tuned!”

Apparently we know why too:

Trump wanted blog shut down over people mocking its low traffic. His poor feelings were hurt, ya know! And also too, he felt would interfere with his brand new social media platform. I wonder how many people he'll be able to scam with that?