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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri May 28, 2021 5:03 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Yes.

Honestly if I was in Biden’s position I’d start arresting all the senators and representatives who supported the Jan 6th, and who pushed the idea of the stolen election.

Then move to the governors and those state level politicians. Since certain states can’t be trusted they will be put under military control while the reconstruction is underway.

All of this would end with the very public execution, after his trial of course, of Trump

Now with the purge complete nobody will be able to challenge my authority


I would say that a 9/11 style commission on the January 6 MAGA terrorist attack. NONE of them should be currently elected politicians. If they find that certain members had a role in assisting the MAGA terrorists, they should be indicted and properly prosecuted. They should start with Donald Trump.

I do support the death penalty for the MAGA terrorists and any politician that aided them. However, I’m not one for public executions. I for one am not for sensationalizing our justice system I believe it corrupts it.

As for military control of certain states, ummm, I disagree. I think the best solution is getting H.R 1 passed ASAP so we can have free and fair elections, and not having local GOP politicians trying to overturn elections.


Okay, now that's not necessary. I think the MAGA insurrectionists should face punishment for what they did but apart from that one cop, the rest of them didn't kill anybody so why should they be executed? You'd just end up making martyrs of them and probably end up starting the Trump insurgency. We don't need that.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 28, 2021 5:07 am

In today's edition of "We're Doomed, Dooooooommmmed," 73% of Republicans in a recent YouGov poll assign at least some blame for January 6 to left-wing protestors wanting Trump to look bad whilst 63% of Americans in general and 84% of Democrats pin the blame on Trump supporters.

As for Trump himself, 55% of Americans blame him, 83% of Democrats do the same, and only 23% of Republicans do.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri May 28, 2021 5:08 am

Shrillland wrote:In today's edition of "We're Doomed, Dooooooommmmed," 73% of Republicans in a recent YouGov poll assign at least some blame for January 6 to left-wing protestors wanting Trump to look bad whilst 63% of Americans in general and 84% of Democrats pin the blame on Trump supporters.

As for Trump himself, 55% of Americans blame him, 83% of Democrats do the same, and only 23% of Republicans do.


The Trump apologists are forever blowing bubbles...and forever lost from reality.
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Postby Lady Victory » Fri May 28, 2021 5:47 am

Shrillland wrote:In today's edition of "We're Doomed, Dooooooommmmed," 73% of Republicans in a recent YouGov poll assign at least some blame for January 6 to left-wing protestors wanting Trump to look bad whilst 63% of Americans in general and 84% of Democrats pin the blame on Trump supporters.

As for Trump himself, 55% of Americans blame him, 83% of Democrats do the same, and only 23% of Republicans do.


The GOP is ready to release their latest album on the topic: Straight Outta Sanity
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Postby Atheris » Fri May 28, 2021 5:53 am

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Shrillland wrote:In today's edition of "We're Doomed, Dooooooommmmed," 73% of Republicans in a recent YouGov poll assign at least some blame for January 6 to left-wing protestors wanting Trump to look bad whilst 63% of Americans in general and 84% of Democrats pin the blame on Trump supporters.

As for Trump himself, 55% of Americans blame him, 83% of Democrats do the same, and only 23% of Republicans do.


The GOP is ready to release their latest album on the topic: Straight Outta Sanity

You are now about to witness the strength of no knowledge

Straight outta Sanity, crazy motherfucker named D. Trump

From the gang called Clinton Is A Chump
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri May 28, 2021 5:58 am

Shrillland wrote:In today's edition of "We're Doomed, Dooooooommmmed," 73% of Republicans in a recent YouGov poll assign at least some blame for January 6 to left-wing protestors wanting Trump to look bad whilst 63% of Americans in general and 84% of Democrats pin the blame on Trump supporters.

As for Trump himself, 55% of Americans blame him, 83% of Democrats do the same, and only 23% of Republicans do.


Shocking, terrifying, and dangerous but not surprising. Considering I have family that falls into that majority, it worries me.

Atheris wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
The GOP is ready to release their latest album on the topic: Straight Outta Sanity

You are now about to witness the strength of no knowledge

Straight outta Sanity, crazy motherfucker named D. Trump

From the gang called Clinton Is A Chump


This has made my day :rofl:
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri May 28, 2021 5:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Strange how the zapatistas or rojava kurds aren't an oligarchy. It's almost like you keep thinking all socialism=Marxist leninism.


The Zapatistas would be a lot more based if they embraced Juche thought tbh

Lol naaaaaaaah.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 28, 2021 6:15 am


Damn, Matt, none of us like Facebook but shooting Mark Zuckerberg is a bit excessive.


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri May 28, 2021 6:28 am

Atheris wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
The GOP is ready to release their latest album on the topic: Straight Outta Sanity

You are now about to witness the strength of no knowledge

Straight outta Sanity, crazy motherfucker named D. Trump

From the gang called Clinton Is A Chump


Straight outta sanity/crazy motherfucker named Q/from a gang called Fascists With Attitudes/when I'm called off, I got a sawed off/squeeze the trigger and minorities are hauled off/you too boy if you fuck with me/The FBI is gonna have to come and get me off Mike Pence's ass/that's how im going out/for the liberal media showing out/liberals bout to mumble/they wanna rumble/making memes of me making me out to be dumbo/going off on a news reporter like that/with a gat that's pointed at your ass/Space Lasers from Jews/Better watch out, Biden FEMA squads will wack you/Here's a country rap to keep yall dancing/my Senator ran into Chris Hanson/AK47 is the tool/my ex wife says I'm acting like a fool/me and reds can go toe to toe no maybe/I'm knocking snowflakes off the comment sections daily/yo weekly monthly and yearly until them dumb motherfuckers see clearly that I'm down, with T-R-U-M and P, boy you can't fuck with me/so when I'm in the capitol, you better duck/cause Q Anon is crazy as fuck/As I leave, believe my vanity but when I come back boy, im coming straight outta sanity (sanity, sanity, sanity).
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri May 28, 2021 6:29 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Zapatistas would be a lot more based if they embraced Juche thought tbh

Lol naaaaaaaah.


They should embrace anarcho-monarchism
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri May 28, 2021 7:26 am

"Little RICO": Manhattan DA could pursue racketeering charge in Trump Org probe, experts say. Lawyers suggest that District Attorney Cy Vance might use New York’s “little RICO” statute to prosecute enterprise corruption.

The state law — sometimes called “little RICO” — can be invoked with proof of as few as three crimes involving a business or other enterprise and can carry a prison term of up to 25 years, along with a mandatory minimum of one to three years.

It's certainly a way to paint Trump's business empire though experts say it's best to keep to simpler charges that offer similar punishment. That said, I can see them going this route. That will be helped by this:

“He’s a shark”; “a reputation for tenacity”: white-collar investigator Gary Fishman, a New York Prosecutor Known for Aggressive Pursuit of Evidence.

The lawyer leading the New York attorney general’s criminal investigation into Donald Trump and his business is a former Manhattan prosecutor who is a veteran financial-crimes investigator with a reputation for tenacity.

That prosecutor, Gary Fishman, is one of the two assistant attorneys general working with the Manhattan district attorney’s office on the Trump investigation as part of an unusual collaboration with the attorney general’s office, according to people familiar with the matter.

Mr. Fishman currently serves as special adviser to the attorney general’s criminal division and is director of the Crime Proceeds Strike Force, which investigates bank and tax crimes and often works with other law-enforcement agencies. Mr. Fishman is leading the criminal aspect of the attorney general’s investigation, the people said, a role that hasn’t been public.

Mr. Fishman brings more than two decades of experience investigating white-collar crimes, first for over 15 years at the Manhattan district attorney’s office before joining the attorney general’s office in 2012.

Lawyers who have worked with, and in opposition to, Mr. Fishman said he has a reputation for being tough but fair. He is meticulous and goes to great lengths to get what he needs to make a case, they said.

While prosecuting a $100 million mortgage-fraud case in 2009, Mr. Fishman’s strong suit was strategically thinking about how best to use cooperating and hostile witnesses, said Adam S. Kaufmann, a former prosecutor who worked with Mr. Fishman in the economic-crimes bureau of the Manhattan district attorney’s office. “He has a really good ability to read people and think about how they are going to come across as witnesses,” Mr. Kaufmann added.

At the attorney general’s office, Mr. Fishman investigated William Rapfogel, former executive director and chief executive of the Metropolitan Council on Jewish Poverty. Mr. Rapfogel pleaded guilty in 2014 to multiple felonies and admitted to stealing more than $1 million from the Jewish charity.

“He’s a dogged and experienced investigator with good prosecutorial instincts,” said Paul Shechtman, who represented Mr. Rapfogel during the investigation conducted by Mr. Fishman.

In the Trump investigation, Mr. Fishman and another assistant attorney general have been “cross deputized” to work with the district attorney, which allows them to access Manhattan prosecutors’ otherwise secret grand-jury materials. Manhattan prosecutors have convened a special grand jury to hear the case, signaling the office is seeking to bring charges, The Wall Street Journal has previously reported.

Collaboration between the Manhattan district attorney’s office and New York attorney general’s office is unusual. Former members of both offices said the district attorney and attorney general typically work together only when an office has a conflict or when investigations overlap, as they did in the Trump case. Both offices more frequently work with local federal prosecutors offices.

The two investigations began separately, with New York Attorney General Letitia James saying in court documents that hers was strictly civil and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. saying his probe was criminal. Last week, a spokesman for Ms. James said the office had informed the Trump Organization it was actively investigating the organization in a criminal capacity, along with the district attorney’s office.

The attorney general’s office is also continuing its civil investigation, Ms. James has said.

As part of Mr. Vance’s investigation, prosecutors have examined a host of Trump properties including the Seven Springs estate in Westchester County, N.Y.; Manhattan buildings such as Trump Tower and 40 Wall St.; and a Chicago skyscraper. Prosecutors are also investigating Trump’s Washington, D.C., hotel in the Old Post Office building, according to people familiar with the matter, an element of the probe that hasn’t been previously disclosed.

In both probes, some of investigators’ interest has revolved around valuation, and whether Mr. Trump and his company overvalued some assets and undervalued others for tax, loan and financial benefits. Prosecutors are also examining whether the Trump Organization broke tax laws by giving its employees perks like cars, apartments or tuition payments, people familiar with the matter said.

Mr. Trump has called the investigations a partisan witch hunt driven by Ms. James and Mr. Vance, who are both Democrats. The Trump Organization has previously said Ms. James’s probe is driven by politics.

Mr. Fishman’s involvement in the Trump investigation dates to at least last year.

Jennifer Weisselberg, the former daughter-in-law of Trump executive Allen Weisselberg, said Mr. Fishman first reached out in September 2020, before her divorce proceedings with Mr. Weisselberg’s son had been in the press. Ms. Weisselberg said that fall she gave the attorney general’s office information obtained through her divorce, including bank records and tax returns.

Ms. Weisselberg described Mr. Fishman as smart, serious and no-nonsense. She said he asked her how people in the Trump orbit operate, focusing on relationships and the hierarchy of decision-making around Mr. Trump and Mr. Weisselberg.

“He’s a shark,” she added, referring to Mr. Fishman.


I'm sure they'll have a strong case against Trump and his organization, and anyone else involved.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri May 28, 2021 8:29 am

"Arizona is drafting a dangerous blueprint. Because the normal requirements of an audit or a recount aren’t being followed, the results can’t be trusted": What’s Happening In Arizona Is Not Really An Audit Or A Recount. It’s A Partisan Inquisition.

It's truly dangerous what is transpiring, especially since Arizona literally had a couple recounts:

Per state law, after almost every countywide election in Arizona,1 a multiparty audit board must conduct a hand count of ballots from a sample of randomly selected voting precincts and compare them with the results from voting machines. The hand counts in Arizona’s most populous county, home to Phoenix, started the Saturday after the election and wrapped up two days later. Not a single discrepancy was found.

The one by this Cyber Ninja isn't even considered one, but the purpose of it is to sow distrust in the system and thus, give Republicans the power to try to win back control in areas they lost- or flatly reject their loses. Until the Republican Party is fully viewed in this light by the Democrats, they will continue to entrench themselves, probably to the point where they will be impossible to remove unless by revolution/civil war.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri May 28, 2021 8:30 am

Zurkerx wrote:"Arizona is drafting a dangerous blueprint. Because the normal requirements of an audit or a recount aren’t being followed, the results can’t be trusted": What’s Happening In Arizona Is Not Really An Audit Or A Recount. It’s A Partisan Inquisition.

It's truly dangerous what is transpiring, especially since Arizona literally had a couple recounts:

Per state law, after almost every countywide election in Arizona,1 a multiparty audit board must conduct a hand count of ballots from a sample of randomly selected voting precincts and compare them with the results from voting machines. The hand counts in Arizona’s most populous county, home to Phoenix, started the Saturday after the election and wrapped up two days later. Not a single discrepancy was found.

The one by this Cyber Ninja isn't even considered one, but the purpose of it is to sow distrust in the system and thus, give Republicans the power to try to win back control in areas they lost- or flatly reject their loses. Until the Republican Party is fully viewed in this light by the Democrats, they will continue to entrench themselves, probably to the point where they will be impossible to remove unless by revolution/civil war.


This is the real witch hunt. Months later the Republican Party won't just admit they lost.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 28, 2021 8:30 am

Zurkerx wrote:"Arizona is drafting a dangerous blueprint. Because the normal requirements of an audit or a recount aren’t being followed, the results can’t be trusted": What’s Happening In Arizona Is Not Really An Audit Or A Recount. It’s A Partisan Inquisition.

It's truly dangerous what is transpiring, especially since Arizona literally had a couple recounts:

Per state law, after almost every countywide election in Arizona,1 a multiparty audit board must conduct a hand count of ballots from a sample of randomly selected voting precincts and compare them with the results from voting machines. The hand counts in Arizona’s most populous county, home to Phoenix, started the Saturday after the election and wrapped up two days later. Not a single discrepancy was found.

The one by this Cyber Ninja isn't even considered one, but the purpose of it is to sow distrust in the system and thus, give Republicans the power to try to win back control in areas they lost- or flatly reject their loses. Until the Republican Party is fully viewed in this light by the Democrats, they will continue to entrench themselves, probably to the point where they will be impossible to remove unless by revolution/civil war.

I fully expect them to refuse to accept the results of any election in which they lose next year.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri May 28, 2021 8:32 am

Zurkerx wrote:"Arizona is drafting a dangerous blueprint. Because the normal requirements of an audit or a recount aren’t being followed, the results can’t be trusted": What’s Happening In Arizona Is Not Really An Audit Or A Recount. It’s A Partisan Inquisition.

It's truly dangerous what is transpiring, especially since Arizona literally had a couple recounts:

Per state law, after almost every countywide election in Arizona,1 a multiparty audit board must conduct a hand count of ballots from a sample of randomly selected voting precincts and compare them with the results from voting machines. The hand counts in Arizona’s most populous county, home to Phoenix, started the Saturday after the election and wrapped up two days later. Not a single discrepancy was found.

The one by this Cyber Ninja isn't even considered one, but the purpose of it is to sow distrust in the system and thus, give Republicans the power to try to win back control in areas they lost- or flatly reject their loses. Until the Republican Party is fully viewed in this light by the Democrats, they will continue to entrench themselves, probably to the point where they will be impossible to remove unless by revolution/civil war.

oh just like many Republicans think of Democrats in reverse, politics always works both ways not just one way.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri May 28, 2021 8:34 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:"Arizona is drafting a dangerous blueprint. Because the normal requirements of an audit or a recount aren’t being followed, the results can’t be trusted": What’s Happening In Arizona Is Not Really An Audit Or A Recount. It’s A Partisan Inquisition.

It's truly dangerous what is transpiring, especially since Arizona literally had a couple recounts:

Per state law, after almost every countywide election in Arizona,1 a multiparty audit board must conduct a hand count of ballots from a sample of randomly selected voting precincts and compare them with the results from voting machines. The hand counts in Arizona’s most populous county, home to Phoenix, started the Saturday after the election and wrapped up two days later. Not a single discrepancy was found.

The one by this Cyber Ninja isn't even considered one, but the purpose of it is to sow distrust in the system and thus, give Republicans the power to try to win back control in areas they lost- or flatly reject their loses. Until the Republican Party is fully viewed in this light by the Democrats, they will continue to entrench themselves, probably to the point where they will be impossible to remove unless by revolution/civil war.


This is the real witch hunt. Months later the Republican Party won't just admit they lost.


Which is strange considering they performed better than expected in the General: they made gains in the House and held onto State Legislatures. They even retained a few Senate seats that were deemed to flip. So if anything, the Democrats are truly the big "losers" in this regard.

Of course, they'll mention the Russian Investigations, but that at least had some evidence that could point to it, and the fact we know the Russians tried to intervene. But I'm afraid it's something they will not admit to, especially when you have an overwhelming majority of the party convinced that Democrats don't have a right to be in power or govern. That sentiment has existed for years (my family is like that) before Trump but it has hardened when Obama came to power and worst when Trump did.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri May 28, 2021 8:40 am

Zurkerx wrote:
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This is the real witch hunt. Months later the Republican Party won't just admit they lost.


Which is strange considering they performed better than expected in the General: they made gains in the House and held onto State Legislatures. They even retained a few Senate seats that were deemed to flip. So if anything, the Democrats are truly the big "losers" in this regard.

Of course, they'll mention the Russian Investigations, but that at least had some evidence that could point to it, and the fact we know the Russians tried to intervene. But I'm afraid it's something they will not admit to, especially when you have an overwhelming majority of the party convinced that Democrats don't have a right to be in power or govern. That sentiment has existed for years (my family is like that) before Trump but it has hardened when Obama came to power and worst when Trump did.

I know I speak for many of us, we strongly disagree with your statement - when you have an overwhelming majority of the party convinced that Democrats don't have a right to be in power or govern. That sentiment has existed for year Is (my family is like that) before Trump but it has hardened when Obama came to power and worst when Trump did. I don't care if I repeat myself a million times, I have a few good leftist Democrat Friends from Honduras and Americans, Pro President Obama, Pro Hillary and Pro Biden, Pro Democrats, I have a good socialist American friend Jerry I have posted about a few times, he votes Democrat as the only alternative, he loves Bernie, Fidel, Raúl and Cuba, but we are good Friends, Jerry would give you the shirt off his back. But I know many intolerant leftists and we know many intolerant leftists for over 4 Years, but as I state, there are many tolerant leftists.
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Postby Neoliberal Consensus » Fri May 28, 2021 8:45 am

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Oh, I’m a honest guy to admit that If I were called to jury duty for a case that involved one of the January 6 terrorists, I would admit that I would not be impartial during voir dire.

I don’t want to be the cause for a repeal or mistrial.


After we pack the courts we won't need to worry about mistrials.
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Zurkerx
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri May 28, 2021 8:49 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:"Arizona is drafting a dangerous blueprint. Because the normal requirements of an audit or a recount aren’t being followed, the results can’t be trusted": What’s Happening In Arizona Is Not Really An Audit Or A Recount. It’s A Partisan Inquisition.

It's truly dangerous what is transpiring, especially since Arizona literally had a couple recounts:

Per state law, after almost every countywide election in Arizona,1 a multiparty audit board must conduct a hand count of ballots from a sample of randomly selected voting precincts and compare them with the results from voting machines. The hand counts in Arizona’s most populous county, home to Phoenix, started the Saturday after the election and wrapped up two days later. Not a single discrepancy was found.

The one by this Cyber Ninja isn't even considered one, but the purpose of it is to sow distrust in the system and thus, give Republicans the power to try to win back control in areas they lost- or flatly reject their loses. Until the Republican Party is fully viewed in this light by the Democrats, they will continue to entrench themselves, probably to the point where they will be impossible to remove unless by revolution/civil war.

oh just like many Republicans think of Democrats in reverse, politics always works both ways not just one way.


Certainly: the Russian Investigation is another example of that according to Republicans though that investigation produced more credible evidence and confirmed that the Russians indeed favored a particular candidate (Trump) and indirectly tried to influence the election. This incursion by the GOP on voter fraud holds no water, especially since multiple audits have found insignificant fraud and judges have ruled that such lawsuits hold no merit.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri May 28, 2021 9:15 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:oh just like many Republicans think of Democrats in reverse, politics always works both ways not just one way.


Certainly: the Russian Investigation is another example of that according to Republicans though that investigation produced more credible evidence and confirmed that the Russians indeed favored a particular candidate (Trump) and indirectly tried to influence the election. This incursion by the GOP on voter fraud holds no water, especially since multiple audits have found insignificant fraud and judges have ruled that such lawsuits hold no merit.

There is always the other side of the story, my side of the story and our side of the story. I don't care if I repeat myself a million times. Republican President Trump taught us to Fight Like Hell for our democratic views with respect, Peacefully and Patriotically over 4 Years ago. Granted President is not a Gentleman and we all know how he is not a Gentleman as I have stated many times, this is the only thing many of us right wingers strongly agree with the Leftists and a Libertarian like you with Personal Respect.

I really do make up 95 % of the Pro Trump Posters and Posts on these related threads, Please count them, but there are more than 2 or 5 of us on NS and Discord, but they keep telling me they don't want to Post, but they congratulate me for having the Guts to Post and defend our side with Pride and Honor, their actual words for having the Guts to Post and defend our side, I have to wonder why they don't want to Post? Proving Me Right.

There is always the other side of the story, my side and our side of the story:

What Matters to Leftists is what they think and know, this is a Fact. We are Proud American Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor, we love Democracy and fair elections, and the US Democratic Constitution, just ask me and ask us, and so does Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA, with Pride and Honor. and we strongly disagree with the leftist on the Points you have made on your Post, no matter what the leftists say or think, what matters is what we know. As I have posted in details many times, even on demand, and all the leftists, dismiss anything I and we say, post or link too, even from a video link of Politico, and I was called a liar before I posted the video from Politico, I asked the leftist for an apology and I would thank him for it, I Proved my Point on President Trump, and he never apologized, I am not surprised, I am not shocked, I expected it. I don't care if I repeat myself a million times many leftists do the same thing I do in reverse in a negative way. Many leftists call me and us, Trump Cultists, My Messiah Trump, My God Emperor President Trump, a right wing nut job, a neo con in a negative way, a liar, a deplorable and a Chump, so I and we can say We are Proud Trump Cultists, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor, America First, Pro USA, USA, USA. I Rest My Case, I Rest our Case.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 28, 2021 9:15 am

https://thehill.com/changing-america/re ... ilence-him

UFO whistleblower says Pentagon tried to silence him

The Pentagon whistleblower has filed a complaint accusing his former agency of “malicious activities, coordinated disinformation, professional misconduct, whistleblower reprisal, and explicit threats.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri May 28, 2021 9:19 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/smart-cities/555955-ufo-whistleblower-says-pentagon-tried-to-silence-him

UFO whistleblower says Pentagon tried to silence him

The Pentagon whistleblower has filed a complaint accusing his former agency of “malicious activities, coordinated disinformation, professional misconduct, whistleblower reprisal, and explicit threats.

Cool Post SL, I hope we learn if UFOs exist or not.
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Postby Kowani » Fri May 28, 2021 9:19 am

Arizona Senate considers another audit

The Arizona Senate, apparently not satisfied with one recount, is close to signing a deal for its second review of Maricopa County’s 2020 general election ballots.

The effort would expand the ongoing audit and is expected to use a new and largely untested technology.

This second recount of all 2.1 million ballots would be done electronically, running the original digital images of ballots through a program that would count all votes cast for every race on the ballot. This is a different approach from the ongoing recount, which is being done by hand.

Senate Republican leaders are negotiating with Citizens Oversight, a California-based election transparency nonprofit, according to Senate liaison Ken Bennett.

Adding a second count is important for comparison purposes, Bennett said. The cost of such a deal is unknown at this point. The organization's founder told The Arizona Republic this week that his company has never been hired to audit an election, and the technology has never been used in an official election audit.

“I would say absolutely this is a grand test,” Ray Lutz said. “I think it is certainly a big test for me, because I have put a lot of work on it for the last year and a half or so. We have enhanced it to the point now where I believe we can do a lot to provide information about how well (this election) went.” Lutz, a San Diego area businessman and longtime activist, said he has conducted unofficial audits on election results in Florida and Georgia using a system he created called AuditEngine.

Lutz said Citizens Oversight would be hired by the Senate directly and would not be a subcontractor under Cyber Ninjas, the lead contractor the Senate Republicans hired to conduct the original audit.[...] The Senate would pay the nonprofit, and Lutz said it would also accept outside donations, but not from political organizations or “from crazies.”

Asked specifically whether he would accept donations from the Republican nonprofit advocacy organizations that have been created to fundraise for the audit, he said he would not.

Lutz said he will be leading the audit and knows the AuditEngine system "inside and out."

The second audit would not disrupt the current hand count because it would not use the actual ballots. Instead, Lutz’s team would use the digital image of each ballot.

Each time a ballot is fed into a vote-counting machine during the election, the machine creates a digital image of the ballot. The county was required to provide the Senate with those images along with the actual ballots, under the Senate’s subpoenas. Bennett compared the separate audits to a bookkeeper’s role in managing deposits. He said if you got two different tallies, you’d want to do a third one to check which was the most accurate.

The question is whether either of the audits the Senate is performing will be accurate.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri May 28, 2021 9:33 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:"Arizona is drafting a dangerous blueprint. Because the normal requirements of an audit or a recount aren’t being followed, the results can’t be trusted": What’s Happening In Arizona Is Not Really An Audit Or A Recount. It’s A Partisan Inquisition.

It's truly dangerous what is transpiring, especially since Arizona literally had a couple recounts:

Per state law, after almost every countywide election in Arizona,1 a multiparty audit board must conduct a hand count of ballots from a sample of randomly selected voting precincts and compare them with the results from voting machines. The hand counts in Arizona’s most populous county, home to Phoenix, started the Saturday after the election and wrapped up two days later. Not a single discrepancy was found.

The one by this Cyber Ninja isn't even considered one, but the purpose of it is to sow distrust in the system and thus, give Republicans the power to try to win back control in areas they lost- or flatly reject their loses. Until the Republican Party is fully viewed in this light by the Democrats, they will continue to entrench themselves, probably to the point where they will be impossible to remove unless by revolution/civil war.

oh just like many Republicans think of Democrats in reverse, politics always works both ways not just one way.


No it isn't fucking both ways. I only remember one party being led by a poor sport who was so pissed about losing an election, him and his lawyer and a Senator kicked off a terrorist attack.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri May 28, 2021 9:34 am

Neoliberal Consensus wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Oh, I’m a honest guy to admit that If I were called to jury duty for a case that involved one of the January 6 terrorists, I would admit that I would not be impartial during voir dire.

I don’t want to be the cause for a repeal or mistrial.


After we pack the courts we won't need to worry about mistrials.


Your parody of neoliberalism hasn't been funny for like two days now. The joke is getting old, you should stop.
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