American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Kowani]

House currently voting on rules for legislation creating a bipartisan January 6th Commission and providing $1.9B for US Capitol security. If approved, debate would then begin on January 6th Commission bill

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Texas governor signs into law bill banning abortions at six weeks

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) on Wednesday signed into law a bill that bans abortions as early as six weeks and before many people know they are pregnant, the Texas Tribune reports.

The law also lets almost anyone, including people with no connection to the person getting the abortion, sue abortion providers who intend to perform the procedure after the time limit, regardless of whether the person sued knew or should have known that the abortion would be performed...

The first part I like, unless the woman's life is under threat. The second part is basically what Yang is proposing, except now people snitch on other who provided abortion after the time given.

[Gravlen]

Texas governor signs into law bill banning abortions at six weeks

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) on Wednesday signed into law a bill that bans abortions as early as six weeks and before many people know they are pregnant, the Texas Tribune reports.

The law also lets almost anyone, including people with no connection to the person getting the abortion, sue abortion providers who intend to perform the procedure after the time limit, regardless of whether the person sued knew or should have known that the abortion would be performed...

The first part I like, unless the woman's life is under threat. The second part is basically what Yang is proposing, except now people snitch on other who provided abortion after the time given.

So you think a child who's gotten pregant due to being raped by their father should be forced to carry to term?

Also, there doesn't seem to be an exception if their life is under threat.

[Neutraligon]

Fox asks Delaware court to dismiss $1.6 Billion defamation lawsuit filed by Dominion alleging the network spread lies about its voting machines, arguing it's protected by the First Amendment

Fox News has asked a Delaware court to dismiss a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit brought against it by Dominion Voting Systems over the network's coverage of the 2020 vote count, arguing it "threatens to stifle the media's free-speech right to inform the public about newsworthy allegations of paramount public concern."

Dominion filed its suit in March saying that Fox News personalities spread lies on air about its voting machines and software that "recklessly disregarded the truth" and resulted in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

In its filing to dismiss the suit on Tuesday, Fox News said it was within the bounds of the First Amendment to air the claims about Dominion and that the company has failed to back up its allegations of "actual malice."

"The news media has the right in a democracy to inform citizens by reporting and commenting on a President's allegations challenging the security of our elections," court documents state.

The conservative cable news outlet also alleges it "truthfully" sought to present the public with both sides of the legal dispute led by former President Donald Trump and his legal team, as it contested the outcome of the election. "Fox hosts responsibly covered the controversy, repeatedly pressing the President's attorneys, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, for evidence substantiating their allegations," the network stated, noting that Dominion agreed to appear on air to dispute the claims. The 61-page document cites an earlier court case against Dominion that is still pending, in which some Georgia voters alleged the company's voting machines produce "unaccountable, unverifying" results. "Fox hosts did not create allegations against Dominion, which predate the November 2020 election," the filing says.

defamation by the news is not protected speech.

[Herzpunkt]

Fox asks Delaware court to dismiss $1.6 Billion defamation lawsuit filed by Dominion alleging the network spread lies about its voting machines, arguing it's protected by the First Amendment

Fox News has asked a Delaware court to dismiss a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit brought against it by Dominion Voting Systems over the network's coverage of the 2020 vote count, arguing it "threatens to stifle the media's free-speech right to inform the public about newsworthy allegations of paramount public concern."

Dominion filed its suit in March saying that Fox News personalities spread lies on air about its voting machines and software that "recklessly disregarded the truth" and resulted in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

In its filing to dismiss the suit on Tuesday, Fox News said it was within the bounds of the First Amendment to air the claims about Dominion and that the company has failed to back up its allegations of "actual malice."

"The news media has the right in a democracy to inform citizens by reporting and commenting on a President's allegations challenging the security of our elections," court documents state.

The conservative cable news outlet also alleges it "truthfully" sought to present the public with both sides of the legal dispute led by former President Donald Trump and his legal team, as it contested the outcome of the election. "Fox hosts responsibly covered the controversy, repeatedly pressing the President's attorneys, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, for evidence substantiating their allegations," the network stated, noting that Dominion agreed to appear on air to dispute the claims. The 61-page document cites an earlier court case against Dominion that is still pending, in which some Georgia voters alleged the company's voting machines produce "unaccountable, unverifying" results. "Fox hosts did not create allegations against Dominion, which predate the November 2020 election," the filing says.

defamation by the news is not protected speech.

Your right, that's why Project Veritas keeps winning cases

[Salandriagado]

Texas governor signs into law bill banning abortions at six weeks

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) on Wednesday signed into law a bill that bans abortions as early as six weeks and before many people know they are pregnant, the Texas Tribune reports.

The law also lets almost anyone, including people with no connection to the person getting the abortion, sue abortion providers who intend to perform the procedure after the time limit, regardless of whether the person sued knew or should have known that the abortion would be performed...

They're not even trying to make this Supreme Court bait subtle, are they?

[Kowani]

House currently voting on rules for legislation creating a bipartisan January 6th Commission and providing $1.9B for US Capitol security. If approved, debate would then begin on January 6th Commission bill

Passed (216-208-6)

[Herzpunkt]

House currently voting on rules for legislation creating a bipartisan January 6th Commission and providing $1.9B for US Capitol security. If approved, debate would then begin on January 6th Commission bill

Passed (216-208-6)

https://twitter.com/rogifan/status/1395 ... 48768?s=20

this is a good tweet in response

[Exalted Inquellian State]

The first part I like, unless the woman's life is under threat. The second part is basically what Yang is proposing, except now people snitch on other who provided abortion after the time given.

So you think a child who's gotten pregant due to being raped by their father should be forced to carry to term?

Also, there doesn't seem to be an exception if their life is under threat.

Somehow it crossed my mind. Yes, ALL cases of rape and incest should have abortion allowed unless the woman doesn't want it. Also, yes, the law doesn't seem to mention that.

[Neutraligon]

defamation by the news is not protected speech.

Your right, that's why Project Veritas keeps winning cases

? You mean the group that constantly defames organizations?

[Herzpunkt]

Your right, that's why Project Veritas keeps winning cases

? You mean the group that constantly defames organizations?

not really defamation, otherwise they wouldn't keep winning court cases

[Neutraligon]

So you think a child who's gotten pregant due to being raped by their father should be forced to carry to term?

Also, there doesn't seem to be an exception if their life is under threat.

Somehow it crossed my mind. Yes, ALL cases of rape and incest should have abortion allowed unless the woman doesn't want it. Also, yes, the law doesn't seem to mention that.

If you are going to enslave women's bodies, maybe you should ensure that they will not be starving and homeless due to having a child they cannot afford and improving the foster care system so that children who go into it are not abused and have such bad outcomes.

[Neutraligon]

? You mean the group that constantly defames organizations?

not really defamation, otherwise they wouldn't keep winning court cases

I did a quick skim of the Wikipedia, where did they win?

[Myrensis]

House currently voting on rules for legislation creating a bipartisan January 6th Commission and providing $1.9B for US Capitol security. If approved, debate would then begin on January 6th Commission bill

Passed (216-208-6)

Republicans putting party before country? Is it a day ending in -day again all ready?

[Punished UMN]

? You mean the group that constantly defames organizations?

not really defamation, otherwise they wouldn't keep winning court cases

It's defamation definitely, the courts repeatedly find that the videos are deceptively edited and that Veritas' claims have no truth to them. The reason they keep "winning" court cases is that for defamation to violate civil law in the US is an incredibly high bar and most of those laws are unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has ruled that lying about someone in order to cause them harm is a valid use of the First Amendment.

[Kowani]

Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) claims the Democrats "aided and abetted" the Capitol Storming

ep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) appeared on a conspiracy theory show that streams on Facebook and claimed that the Democratic leadership “actually aided and abetted” the January 6 insurrection. He also agreed with the host’s characterization that people arrested for participating in the Capitol attack are being held as political prisoners and said that Democrats are using the “narrative” of January 6 and the coronavirus pandemic “to really put a persecution on this country, to change its demographic.”

Gosar has palled around with and supported far-right media figures. He was recently a keynote speaker at a white nationalist conference and met with white nationalist Nick Fuentes. Gosar is also a fan of Ali Alexander, who helped organize so-called “Stop the Steal” events and has a history of violent rhetoric.

Gosar appeared on the May 18 edition of the Stew Peters Show, an online program that streams on Facebook and other platforms. Peters, who has worked as a bail bondsman, is a right-wing conspiracy theorist who has claimed that “the left incited the violence” on January 6 “in a total setup manufactured by” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), “and the criminal progressives.” He also wrote that “legacy media,” including CNN, MSNBC, Newsmax, and Fox News, “ALL abandoned the fight for TRUTH and went with the LIE.” In making that claim, Peters was promoting a debunked video that supposedly “destroys" the "‘insurrection' narrative” because the U.S. Capitol Police purportedly allowed “protesters inside" the Capitol. (The video does not show that.)

Prior to introducing Gosar, Peters referenced that video and said, “The entire January 6 event was a Hollywood-like script written and played out by Democrats as a distraction away from the political assassination of President Donald J. Trump, the installation of a dictatorial and radical regime and a globalist agenda to force subservience from everyone to the state.” During his interview, in which the death of Ashli Babbitt was discussed, Peters told Gosar: “I hope that I'm wrong but it's my opinion that they needed a death that day, and they weren't going to get it from peaceful and patriotic Trump supporters. It had to be manufactured.”

Gosar echoed Peters’ rhetoric about January 6 during his appearance on the show. Gosar and Peters referenced video of Capitol Police, and Peters asked Gosar if he believed that January 6 “was a complete setup? Was it a premeditated plan to distract away from all of these events that were occurring around the election?” Gosar replied: “What I believe is a few bad apples utilized this to their benefit, and it was aided and abetted by leadership. …They actually aided and abetted, from my standpoint, that facilitation by not following protocols.”

PAUL GOSAR: The little snippet that we saw this weekend now shows, you know, Capitol Police talking to people and then allowing “go, go, go,” you know, moving barricades. Once again we need to see it. This is public footage from the public building. The people's house is paid at taxpayer expense. We need to put it out here. The narrative has got to stop.

STEW PETERS: So you've seen this video that you referenced. Was, so after seeing that video, congressman, is it your opinion that January 6 was a complete setup? Was it a premeditated plan to distract away from all of these events that were occurring around the election?

GOSAR: What I believe is a few bad apples utilized this to their benefit, and it was aided and abetted by leadership. I'll give you an example. So when President Trump saw the huge gathering the day before, over -- across from White House, he initially gave access to 1,000 to 10,000 National Guard troops. The FBI at the Norfolk division sent out a blast that they got wind of some type of problem coming. Supposedly no one got that. But this Capitol Police turned down an additional hundred Capitol Police officers. They turned it down. And who does that come from? Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi is responsible for the security of the Capitol buildings. So, you know, her ineptness, you know, when you've got an inauguration coming in a couple weeks after this, you're not beefing up? Every time I've been here for an inauguration, security is beefed up. So they actually aided and abetted, from my standpoint, that facilitation by not following protocols and threat assessment.

PETERS: Well you call it inept, I think it's intentional. And I think that that's going to come to light and I'm pretty sure that you know that, which is why you're up there asking the tough questions and writing the letters that you're writing asking for this information.

When asked if he viewed the people arrested for participating in the January 6 insurrection “as political prisoners,” Gosar replied: “Absolutely. … We wouldn’t even do this on our worst enemies, for criminy sakes. We don't even do this in Gitmo.” (During a recent House hearing, Gosar said that the Department of Justice is “harassing peaceful patriots across the country" regarding January 6.)

The Republican congressman later theorized that Democrats are using January 6 and the COVID-19 pandemic to change the country’s demographics, stating: “We have the perfect storm where they use the narrative of the 6th and COVID to really put a persecution on this country, to change its demographic, to change its outlook. And, you know, it's now beholden to the federal government instead of being the government, they’re beholden to this federal government.”

Toward the end of the interview, Gosar also discussed the sham Arizona presidential audit and stated: “I think this is going to be contagious. … This isn't over by a long shot.”

[Myrensis]

not really defamation, otherwise they wouldn't keep winning court cases

It's defamation definitely, the courts repeatedly find that the videos are deceptively edited and that Veritas' claims have no truth to them. The reason they keep "winning" court cases is that for defamation to violate civil law in the US is an incredibly high bar and most of those laws are unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has ruled that lying about someone in order to cause them harm is a valid use of the First Amendment.

It was always kind of amusing seeing the double think among the Trump Cultists. Ranting about how it was so unfair that strict US defamation laws made it almost impossible to stop the news media from saying bad things about their orange Messiah, then not missing a beat before ranting about how it was so unfair that loose US defamation laws let Dominion bully all their favorite news outlets into backpedaling on the election fraud claims.

[Shrillland]

Passed (216-208-6)

Republicans putting party before country? Is it a day ending in -day again all ready?

They don't put party before country. To them, party and country are one and the same. We are foreign enemies in their eyes.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

defamation by the news is not protected speech.

Your right, that's why Project Veritas keeps winning cases

I do hope that’s sarcasm, as reading about their legal win/loss rating is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

[Kowani]

oops

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

oops

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‘Party of Law and Order’, as it goes.

[Herzpunkt]

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-j ... 2021-5?amp

[Kannap]

God those "lesser of two evil" folks got me fucking good, I'm not falling for that shit again.

[Senkaku]

God those "lesser of two evil" folks got me fucking good, I'm not falling for that shit again.

I mean, it could be worse. Think of these four years as a nice interlude where you’ve been appropriately warned of what’s happening and can plan your escape! Instead of just “surprise motherfuckers, we’re doing a weird dictatorship now.”

[San Lumen]

Idaho Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachin (R) launches primary run against Gov. Brad Little (R)

Hopefully she doesn’t win. The woman is completely insane .

has appeared at a rally for the 3 Percenters, an anti-government militia movement group and is against abortion rights and lgbt rights.

She also signed on to an amicus brief supporting Texas' attempt to overturn the results of the presidential election by rejecting millions of votes in four key states won by Biden.