Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Regarding the US: is achieving herd immunity likely or not? I read in April that it’s likely to get it in summer but now some scientists say it’s impossible to get it.

[Luminesa]

Yet here you are denying that covid spreads when someone sneezes it into the air and it enters someone's lungs.

Gonna need a source on that one, chief.

Okay, let's do a quick science lesson. My parents are also nurses and I read my mother's nursing journals for funsies sometimes, but I'd say my science education has been quite good.

Many diseases are airborne. That means they are small enough to be carried by the wind as a vapor, and that vapor is thin enough to enter someone's respiratory system through their mouth and nose. This is why you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, because that is where airborne diseases escape. The common cold, pneumonia, RSV, and a form of the bubonic plague are all airborne illnesses.

Let's take a look at the sizes of some microscopic particles:

It is incredibly tiny, which means that it is absolutely capable of being an airborne illness.

So what here does not make sense, if anything?

[Major-Tom]

Regarding the US: is achieving herd immunity likely or not? I read in April that it’s likely to get it in summer but now some scientists say it’s impossible to get it.

We'll get as close as we can. With 50-60% of the pop vaccinated as is, cases are really quite low. I bet we hit 70/75%, and COVID lingers for a few years, but without any major measures in place due to the success of antiviral drugs to combat the symptoms of it, the likely low case loads, and the fact that hospitals won't be overburdened.

Plus, I'd say by July, if you haven't gotten a shot, that's on you, unless you're in a deeply disconnected area like rural Appalachia or some shit.

[Gods Creation]

Gonna need a source on that one, chief.

Okay, let's do a quick science lesson. My parents are also nurses and I read my mother's nursing journals for funsies sometimes, but I'd say my science education has been quite good.

Many diseases are airborne. That means they are small enough to be carried by the wind as a vapor, and that vapor is thin enough to enter someone's respiratory system through their mouth and nose. This is why you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, because that is where airborne diseases escape. The common cold, pneumonia, RSV, and a form of the bubonic plague are all airborne illnesses.

Let's take a look at the sizes of some microscopic particles:

It is incredibly tiny, which means that it is absolutely capable of being an airborne illness.

So what here does not make sense, if anything?

This misunderstanding has already been corrected. But I'm very impressed with your virology 101 expertise!

[Luminesa]

Okay, let's do a quick science lesson. My parents are also nurses and I read my mother's nursing journals for funsies sometimes, but I'd say my science education has been quite good.

Many diseases are airborne. That means they are small enough to be carried by the wind as a vapor, and that vapor is thin enough to enter someone's respiratory system through their mouth and nose. This is why you cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, because that is where airborne diseases escape. The common cold, pneumonia, RSV, and a form of the bubonic plague are all airborne illnesses.

Let's take a look at the sizes of some microscopic particles:

It is incredibly tiny, which means that it is absolutely capable of being an airborne illness.

So what here does not make sense, if anything?

This misunderstanding has already been corrected. But I'm very impressed with your virology 101 expertise!

This is my first time swinging by NSG for the day, so I apologize for not reading back a bit.

[Gods Creation]

"The Left" is lost. i weep for the future of Socialism.

Thanks for not bothering to actually respond to what I said. Not that I'd expect someone like you to, considering you probably couldn't get through half of what I said without going "I don't know the argument. Let me respond to what I wish he had said."

If you haven't been masking, you have been a good friend of the virus. You had a problem with me saying that anti maskers are the main reason this has gotten out of hand, so ima assume you are one. Why don't you make another lame ass garbage excuse of an argument for how im making baseless assumptions while your own words call your denial into response you "both sides" peddling scientifically illiterate ideologue? Come back when you're ready to argue in good faith and decide to stop being a comedian.

LOL the "trust the science" crowd thinks the virus only attacks people not following The Rules.

how are you gonna even argue with me when you barely even understand what I believe or what I said? I mean seriously you gotta be joking. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Big Business appreciates you distracting from the fact that unsafe working conditions were literally the biggest driver for the spread of the coronavirus infection.

[Luminesa]

I could never be as hopeless as a Trump apologist like yourself.

stop, my sides.

i mean, seriously.

i never said a single word about Trump and i think the man is a criminal that deserves the Mussolini treatment.

wtf is wrong with you you're only retort is to (falsely) accuse me of that, which is also completely irrelevant to the topic?

Well, because we are a democracy, we have to take note that we also are a country of individuals as well as government control. The government under Trump...did very little to mitigate the dangers of COVID-19. However, we as small people also have a responsibility to take care of each other, do you agree?

[Gods Creation]

This is my first time swinging by NSG for the day, so I apologize for not reading back a bit.

No problem, excuse the snippiness lol.

[Luminesa]

This is my first time swinging by NSG for the day, so I apologize for not reading back a bit.

No problem, excuse the snippiness lol.

You are excused.

I think the issue is that a lot of our country's rot in handling COVID came from multiple sides - Big Business scorning shutdowns and lockdowns for the safety of the people, governmental lack of transparency, and individuals not choosing to be charitable and responsible for each other. I think trying to say it only came from one side or another ignores that this virus really revealed our fragility as a nation, and what we need to do to fix it.

[Gods Creation]

we as small people also have a responsibility to take care of each other, do you agree?

Of course.

And because a lot of folks here want to insist that I'm some drooling MAGA chud: I'm fully vaxxed, I wear my mask in places that require it still and I used to work as a contact tracer over the winter, during the worst of the pandemic. I'm not some in-denial dummy; I just have the opinion that people started to fetishize this sort of safety theater that dominated the later part of the pandemic and lost track of what was really happening.

The thing with pandemics is this; individual actions don't mean anything, because your safe actions can be immediately canceled out by someone's non-safety, get it? It takes mass action to defeat a pandemic. Look at what Vietnam did; you can critqiue all you want about how illiberal it was to lock everyone down by law, but they lost 53 people so far.

53.

The US lost almost three quarters of a million, because we refuse to recognize the occasional need for mass action.

Oh well.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Regarding the US: is achieving herd immunity likely or not? I read in April that it’s likely to get it in summer but now some scientists say it’s impossible to get it.

We'll get as close as we can. With 50-60% of the pop vaccinated as is, cases are really quite low. I bet we hit 70/75%, and COVID lingers for a few years, but without any major measures in place due to the success of antiviral drugs to combat the symptoms of it, the likely low case loads, and the fact that hospitals won't be overburdened.

Plus, I'd say by July, if you haven't gotten a shot, that's on you, unless you're in a deeply disconnected area like rural Appalachia or some shit.

Last I did check, the CDC claims 49% of US adults are fully vaccinated atm. That the 70% goal Biden set won’t be met. At best, 67%, but that’s pretty close to the 70% immunity target needed I think. However, vaccination rates have slowed down considerably.

[Major-Tom]

We'll get as close as we can. With 50-60% of the pop vaccinated as is, cases are really quite low. I bet we hit 70/75%, and COVID lingers for a few years, but without any major measures in place due to the success of antiviral drugs to combat the symptoms of it, the likely low case loads, and the fact that hospitals won't be overburdened.

Plus, I'd say by July, if you haven't gotten a shot, that's on you, unless you're in a deeply disconnected area like rural Appalachia or some shit.

Last I did check, the CDC claims 49% of US adults are fully vaccinated atm. That the 70% goal Biden set won’t be met. At best, 67%, but that’s pretty close to the 70% immunity target needed I think. However, vaccination rates have slowed down considerably.

Yeah, I guess my thinking is that everyone who has gotten their first dose will probs get their second since they now personally know that it's safe.

I mean, we're not going to hit full immunity targets, and it sounds bleak, but again, COVID's severity in the developed world has plunged because now doctors do have all these antivirals at their disposal for patients that do get really sick. Back in January/February, that just wasn't the case. One possible scenario I've heard of is that it becomes like another seasonal flu, where we get vaccinated bi-yearly or so, and I'm fine with that.

If you take your flu shot and you catch the flu, you're 99% better off than the bloke who forgot his shot.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Last I did check, the CDC claims 49% of US adults are fully vaccinated atm. That the 70% goal Biden set won’t be met. At best, 67%, but that’s pretty close to the 70% immunity target needed I think. However, vaccination rates have slowed down considerably.

Yeah, I guess my thinking is that everyone who has gotten their first dose will probs get their second since they now personally know that it's safe.

I mean, we're not going to hit full immunity targets, and it sounds bleak, but again, COVID's severity in the developed world has plunged because now doctors do have all these antivirals at their disposal for patients that do get really sick. Back in January/February, that just wasn't the case. One possible scenario I've heard of is that it becomes like another seasonal flu, where we get vaccinated bi-yearly or so, and I'm fine with that.

If you take your flu shot and you catch the flu, you're 99% better off than the bloke who forgot his shot.

I guess by now it is what it is. I get the flu shot every fall, so I guess I’ll just make room for a SARS-CoV-2 booster shot for as long as needed.

[Luminesa]

we as small people also have a responsibility to take care of each other, do you agree?

Of course.

And because a lot of folks here want to insist that I'm some drooling MAGA chud: I'm fully vaxxed, I wear my mask in places that require it still and I used to work as a contact tracer over the winter, during the worst of the pandemic. I'm not some in-denial dummy; I just have the opinion that people started to fetishize this sort of safety theater that dominated the later part of the pandemic and lost track of what was really happening.

The thing with pandemics is this; individual actions don't mean anything, because your safe actions can be immediately canceled out by someone's non-safety, get it? It takes mass action to defeat a pandemic. Look at what Vietnam did; you can critqiue all you want about how illiberal it was to lock everyone down by law, but they lost 53 people so far.

53.

The US lost almost three quarters of a million, because we refuse to recognize the occasional need for mass action.

Oh well.

Individual actions do mean something, especially when they determine whether or not someone gets sick by your actions. You've worn a mask, why? Because the government said so and also because you want to try not to make people ill. That's a good thing, and something that can be commended. Even if other people contributed to the spread of COVID, you did not necessarily do so.

[USS Monitor]

we as small people also have a responsibility to take care of each other, do you agree?

Of course.

And because a lot of folks here want to insist that I'm some drooling MAGA chud: I'm fully vaxxed, I wear my mask in places that require it still and I used to work as a contact tracer over the winter, during the worst of the pandemic. I'm not some in-denial dummy; I just have the opinion that people started to fetishize this sort of safety theater that dominated the later part of the pandemic and lost track of what was really happening.

The thing with pandemics is this; individual actions don't mean anything, because your safe actions can be immediately canceled out by someone's non-safety, get it? It takes mass action to defeat a pandemic. Look at what Vietnam did; you can critqiue all you want about how illiberal it was to lock everyone down by law, but they lost 53 people so far.

53.

The US lost almost three quarters of a million, because we refuse to recognize the occasional need for mass action.

Oh well.

Last spring a guy at the grocery store wigged out because I grabbed a shopping cart that was just sitting around instead of getting one that had been freshly wiped down with disinfectant.

Meanwhile, at my job loading UPS trucks, I had to argue about not loading together in the same truck with other people. I started just walking out of the truck as soon as anyone else came in and standing outside, pointedly not working, until the supervisors caught a clue and stopped trying to have me load with other people. And I still had to chew out a few loaders because they would wander into my truck without being asked, like they think they're all chivalrous for coming in to "help" me.

UPS never actually stopped having people load together. They just stopped having me load with other people. They would move me to a truck where the work was slower, and then send two or three medically-illiterate men to take my place in the one that was busy.

And it wasn't like you got paired up with one other person and you only loaded with that one same person every shift. They move people around, so person A and person B could load together for a while, then person A gets moved to another truck and loads together with person C, then person C gets sent to "help" (read: infect) person D.

And nobody kept their masks on because the work was too physically demanding and it was too damn hot. I wound up claiming a medical exemption and using a plastic face shield because it legitimately was too physically demanding to wear a mask the whole shift. Other people would put a mask on, then pull it down on their chin as soon as the supervisor who nagged them about it was gone.

We had multiple COVID outbreaks at the warehouse and UPS made basically no effort to keep us informed or contact-trace the infections. I heard from other employees that one guy spent a month in the ICU during the big wave at the start of the pandemic, and another guy died earlier this spring.

BUT CLEARLY THE PROBLEM IS ME GRABBING A GROCERY CART THAT HASN'T BEEN DISINFECTED!!!!!

[New Visayan Islands]

Data for PH as of June 9th, 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

Detailed update. Also:

• NYC: Hitting the Gym, post-Coof.
• SG: SARS 2: now killing more than SARS 1! (The virus that causes COVID-19 is SARS-CoV-2, after all.)
• Sabotaging Coof Shots? Three years in the slammer!
• Prohibitions only ever increase demands--!

[CoraSpia]

Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally destroyed 500 Covid vaccine doses gets three years in prison, as well as 3 years supervised release and an $83,000 fine

For a small amount of criminal damage? That's crazy.

[Valentine Z]

Oh hey, great news! :3 I am getting my first shot next Friday. Am getting Moderna!

Huh, that was earlier than expected (I was predicting maybe late June for the first dose), but who's complaining? Not me!

[The Huskar Social Union]

Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally destroyed 500 Covid vaccine doses gets three years in prison, as well as 3 years supervised release and an $83,000 fine

Good. Fuck him.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Thanks for not bothering to actually respond to what I said. Not that I'd expect someone like you to, considering you probably couldn't get through half of what I said without going "I don't know the argument. Let me respond to what I wish he had said."

If you haven't been masking, you have been a good friend of the virus. You had a problem with me saying that anti maskers are the main reason this has gotten out of hand, so ima assume you are one. Why don't you make another lame ass garbage excuse of an argument for how im making baseless assumptions while your own words call your denial into response you "both sides" peddling scientifically illiterate ideologue? Come back when you're ready to argue in good faith and decide to stop being a comedian.




how are you gonna even argue with me when you barely even understand what I believe or what I said? I mean seriously you gotta be joking. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Big Business appreciates you distracting from the fact that unsafe working conditions were literally the biggest driver for the spread of the coronavirus infection.

I'm sure unsafe work conditions played a major role. Doesn't change the fact that the virus would have spread far less if people didn't decide "you know what I should do in the middle of a pandemic? Have a huge grad party for my kid."

[Valentine Z]

"I did not have the right to make this decision," he said. "I feel terrible for what I've done. I am desperately sorry and ashamed."

He is sorry, though, so all is well! /s

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I mean, views on vaccines aside, harming others / potentially killing them (maybe at best, just won't have any effects)? Yuck. Imagine if no one took note of it and some 250-500 people got those sabotaged shots.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Last I did check, the CDC claims 49% of US adults are fully vaccinated atm. That the 70% goal Biden set won’t be met. At best, 67%, but that’s pretty close to the 70% immunity target needed I think. However, vaccination rates have slowed down considerably.

First or second vaccinations, though?

One vax (of a two-vax vaccine) is really quite effective. I expect people who weren't eager to get vaccinated at all, are quite likely to put off the second vaccination indefinitely.

For our herd immunity, it's FAR more important that 90% of people get the first shot, than getting full vaccination up to 70% or so. I know this because I fell into a big cauldron of Mathematics when I was a baby!

I feel bad for you. No child deserves to fall into a cauldron of mathematics, but I was thrown kicking and screaming into one in grade 5 and it was pretty hellish.

[Valentine Z]

I feel bad for you. No child deserves to fall into a cauldron of mathematics, but I was thrown kicking and screaming into one in grade 5 and it was pretty hellish.

Not liking mathematics is a sin in itself, cos it is nice. But I am getting off-tangent to the topic.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

No-one should feel bad about how their nation handled COVID (except China I guess) because it's a lose-lose thing. Even zero cases but closing borders for over a year, is a lose. I don't understand how we have become so divided about the response to the virus, when the virus is the enemy of us all. There will be others, possibly worse or much worse, and we will ALL respond better and quicker, and hopefully we will find a way to keep working on everything else that matters even if we're "locked down" and even with random death stalking us. There is no enemy of living creatures worse than death, and every one of us lives every day of our lives in the shadow of death.

Well yeah but closing the border isn't as much of an L as thousands of your people dying. It isnt great but it could be worse.

[Dakini]

San Francisco may be the first major US city to reach herd immunity. Eighty percent of the population has received at least one dose of the vaccine and individual cases do not appear to be turning into outbreaks.