Coronavirus Thread VI: Are We Nearly There Yet? (READ OP)

[Valentine Z]

Nice, just remember that it can take 2 weeks after the second vax for the body to be immunized.

Yeah, I took a work-from-home today (I have to go to office once a week for stuff) to take care of them, so there is that. I can already tell, to be honest. Only 60 mins or so in, and they are already feeling some soreness on their arms. AFAIK, they got through the first dose without the effects taking in that quickly.

Hope you have been doing well, too!

Cool. Congrats!

Thanks! Hope you have been doing well, too!

[Neutraligon]

Nice, just remember that it can take 2 weeks after the second vax for the body to be immunized.

Yeah, I took a work-from-home today (I have to go to office once a week for stuff) to take care of them, so there is that. I can already tell, to be honest. Only 60 mins or so in, and they are already feeling some soreness on their arms. AFAIK, they got through the first dose without the effects taking in that quickly.

Hope you have been doing well, too!

Cool. Congrats!

Thanks! Hope you have been doing well, too!

I also just got my second. The muscle they put the vaccine in is really sore but other than that I am good. Hurts to get my arm above a 90 degree angle.

[Valentine Z]

Yeah, I took a work-from-home today (I have to go to office once a week for stuff) to take care of them, so there is that. I can already tell, to be honest. Only 60 mins or so in, and they are already feeling some soreness on their arms. AFAIK, they got through the first dose without the effects taking in that quickly.

Hope you have been doing well, too!


Thanks! Hope you have been doing well, too!

I also just got my second. The muscle they put the vaccine in is really sore but other than that I am good. Hurts to get my arm above a 90 degree angle.

Oooh, good to know. I need to prepare myself when I get mine on July, or even June if I am super lucky / Singapore is super fast going down the age groups. Probably June-July first dose, then August or later for second.

Wishing you a speedy recovery!

[Neutraligon]

I also just got my second. The muscle they put the vaccine in is really sore but other than that I am good. Hurts to get my arm above a 90 degree angle.

Oooh, good to know. I need to prepare myself when I get mine on July, or even June if I am super lucky / Singapore is super fast going down the age groups. Probably June-July first dose, then August or later for second.

Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Honestly, I am not sure if that is the vaccine itself or an issue with getting a shot. I felt it when the vaccine was pushed in. The arm by my side while typing is just a little sore, kinda like a muscle has been worked out. Will find out tomorrow if I get hit with anything worse.

[Valentine Z]

Oooh, good to know. I need to prepare myself when I get mine on July, or even June if I am super lucky / Singapore is super fast going down the age groups. Probably June-July first dose, then August or later for second.

Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Honestly, I am not sure if that is the vaccine itself or an issue with getting a shot. I felt it when the vaccine was pushed in. The arm by my side while typing is just a little sore, kinda like a muscle has been worked out. Will find out tomorrow if I get hit with anything worse.

Ahh, I see. Yeah, the needle jab itself can be the thing in itself. I remembered getting a jab for a routine blood test and yup, it bruised up for a tad.

[The Free Joy State]

Couldn’t decide if this was politics or covid. So posting at both:

Remember the gal selling the yellow jewish stars with “not vaccinated” ? She owns a hat shop. Stetson said “yea you are done” and pulled all business from her.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ine-badges

Good.

Though, no doubt she will use it to make more offensive, false comparisons.

Until we start forcing unvaccinated people to give up their property and possessions and force them into ghettos by the boxcar load, I fail to believe that such people are facing any tyranny. And honestly, making a Star of David with the word "unvaccinated" in it is just incredibly disrespectful to the victims of the Holocaust.

Don't forget forcing them into actual death camps where we try to kill them by the hundreds of thousands.

I am convinced to within a reasonable margin of error that many of the people who make "Holocaust comparisons" to masking and vaccination and various other aspects of modern life than annoy them do not actually know that much about the Holocaust.

[Neutraligon]

Couldn’t decide if this was politics or covid. So posting at both:

Remember the gal selling the yellow jewish stars with “not vaccinated” ? She owns a hat shop. Stetson said “yea you are done” and pulled all business from her.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ine-badges

Good.

Though, no doubt she will use it to make more offensive, false comparisons.

Don't forget forcing them into actual death camps where we try to kill them by the hundreds of thousands.

I am convinced to within a reasonable margin of error that many of the people who make "Holocaust comparisons" to masking and vaccination and various other aspects of modern life than annoy them do not actually know that much about the Holocaust.

Take them to the Holocaust museum in either Israel or DC...some of those images still traumatize me.

[CoraSpia]

Wow.

Well I reached out to the Goorin PR people and forwarded that link.

-update-

Just got word from Goorin and they said they are severing all ties with that third party.

Did you seriously just contribute to an online mob trying to destroy a small business and then post happily about it on the internet?

Why would you do that?

[Albrenia]

-update-

Just got word from Goorin and they said they are severing all ties with that third party.

Did you seriously just contribute to an online mob trying to destroy a small business and then post happily about it on the internet?

Why would you do that?

By 'online mob' you mean 'free enterprising business' and by 'small business' you mean 'embarrassing client who brings them into disrepute'.

[CoraSpia]

Did you seriously just contribute to an online mob trying to destroy a small business and then post happily about it on the internet?

Why would you do that?

By 'online mob' you mean 'free enterprising business' and by 'small business' you mean 'embarrassing client who brings them into disrepute'.

The mob are the people who pressure larger businesses to cut ties with them.

[Albrenia]

By 'online mob' you mean 'free enterprising business' and by 'small business' you mean 'embarrassing client who brings them into disrepute'.

The mob are the people who pressure larger businesses to cut ties with them.

So you oppose customers giving feedback to businesses?

Why is it ok for people to boycott a company for supporting some causes, but not for spreading potentially lethal misinformation?

[CoraSpia]

The mob are the people who pressure larger businesses to cut ties with them.

So you oppose customers giving feedback to businesses?

Why is it ok for people to boycott a company for supporting some causes, but not for spreading potentially lethal misinformation?

I'm perfectly fine with individulas boycotting a company. I'm not fine with large companies doing it.

[Albrenia]

So you oppose customers giving feedback to businesses?

Why is it ok for people to boycott a company for supporting some causes, but not for spreading potentially lethal misinformation?

I'm perfectly fine with individulas boycotting a company. I'm not fine with large companies doing it.

So if a hat seller's customer base say 'stop selling your hats through venues supporting potentially lethal misinformation' you think the free, private business should be barred from doing so? At first it sounded like you disapproved of the 'mob' doing it, but now it sounds like you'd be fine with the mob doing it, but not the company responding to its customer base's wishes.

[The Free Joy State]

So you oppose customers giving feedback to businesses?

Why is it ok for people to boycott a company for supporting some causes, but not for spreading potentially lethal misinformation?

I'm perfectly fine with individulas boycotting a company. I'm not fine with large companies doing it.

The boards of companies are made up of individuals -- individuals who built up their company and have a right to not want it being tainted by association with someone who spreads misinformation and wants to make profit from Holocaust imagery.

Companies have the right to suspend associations based on anything that's not a protected class -- and anti-vaxxer who (per the review shared earlier) at least apparently discriminates based on race is not.

So good for them.

[CoraSpia]

I'm perfectly fine with individulas boycotting a company. I'm not fine with large companies doing it.

So if a hat seller's customer base say 'stop selling your hats through venues supporting potentially lethal misinformation' you think the free, private business should be barred from doing so? At first it sounded like you disapproved of the 'mob' doing it, but now it sounds like you'd be fine with the mob doing it, but not the company responding to its customer base's wishes.

The way I would handle this would be to make political beliefs a protected class in the same style as race, sex, disability etc in equality law.

[Albrenia]

So if a hat seller's customer base say 'stop selling your hats through venues supporting potentially lethal misinformation' you think the free, private business should be barred from doing so? At first it sounded like you disapproved of the 'mob' doing it, but now it sounds like you'd be fine with the mob doing it, but not the company responding to its customer base's wishes.

The way I would handle this would be to make political beliefs a protected class in the same style as race, sex, disability etc in equality law.

That's fair enough, although Covid misinformation is not a political belief any more than crystal healing is, although both strongly tend towards one side or the other.

[The Free Joy State]

The way I would handle this would be to make political beliefs a protected class in the same style as race, sex, disability etc in equality law.

That's fair enough, although Covid misinformation is not a political belief any more than crystal healing is, although both strongly tend towards one side or the other.

And the review The Black Forrest forwarded to Goorin's PR pointed to racial discrimination by store's owner, which is also not a political belief.

So, whether for conspiracy theory or discriminatory practise, she still would not have been entitled to protection.

[CoraSpia]

The way I would handle this would be to make political beliefs a protected class in the same style as race, sex, disability etc in equality law.

That's fair enough, although Covid misinformation is not a political belief any more than crystal healing is, although both strongly tend towards one side or the other.

Pretty much anything can be framed as a political belief honestly, it's not restricted to the beliefs of the mainstream parties. If I believed that we should bring back slavery, which for the avoidance of doubt I don't, that's a political belief despite how obviously disgusting it is.

[Albrenia]

That's fair enough, although Covid misinformation is not a political belief any more than crystal healing is, although both strongly tend towards one side or the other.

Pretty much anything can be framed as a political belief honestly, it's not restricted to the beliefs of the mainstream parties. If I believed that we should bring back slavery, which for the avoidance of doubt I don't, that's a political belief despite how obviously disgusting it is.

That seems unworkable. Not only would you have Christian bakers being forced to make gay wedding cakes, you'd have shops forced to sell goods which don't sell simply because they're unable to refuse selling objects which promote any form of idea.

[-SARS-]

Good.

Though, no doubt she will use it to make more offensive, false comparisons.


I am convinced to within a reasonable margin of error that many of the people who make "Holocaust comparisons" to masking and vaccination and various other aspects of modern life than annoy them do not actually know that much about the Holocaust.

Take them to the Holocaust museum in either Israel or DC...some of those images still traumatize me.

Or the camps that have been turned into museums. The sheer volume of documentation they had at Dachau was... a lot to take in.

There was also an account I read in a book that especially stuck out to me for some reason, even among all the horrible stories and images and things that are out there. A bunch of people had been crammed into a train for transport between camps, but then the train got delayed because it was late in the war and the rail network was collapsing. It wound up sitting stopped on the track for something like 10 days -- a really long time. Despite the delay, the Nazis never opened the train car to check on the prisoners or feed them or anything like that. They just left it sitting there. In the dead of winter. By the time they finally got to the other camp where they were supposed to be transporting the prisoners, everyone inside had died from some combination of dehydration and frostbite, and all the bodies were frozen together in one big mass. The Nazis got prisoners to clean out the train car because they didn't want to clean up their own mess, and the account I read was written by one of the people who had to clean it up.

I dunno why that particular story hit me harder than the other stuff I've read about the Holocaust, but it is really sad.

[-SARS-]

-update-

Just got word from Goorin and they said they are severing all ties with that third party.

Did you seriously just contribute to an online mob trying to destroy a small business and then post happily about it on the internet?

Why would you do that?

Why not?

[CoraSpia]

Pretty much anything can be framed as a political belief honestly, it's not restricted to the beliefs of the mainstream parties. If I believed that we should bring back slavery, which for the avoidance of doubt I don't, that's a political belief despite how obviously disgusting it is.

That seems unworkable. Not only would you have Christian bakers being forced to make gay wedding cakes, you'd have shops forced to sell goods which don't sell simply because they're unable to refuse selling objects which promote any form of idea.

Although in general there's something that rubs me the wrong way about the whole idea of forcing bakers to make gay wedding cakes, I accept that to gain something I find to be increasingly necessary (the removal of ideological purity tests) that unfortunately there are things that must be sacrificed for the sake of consistency. As for your second point, I'm sure you're aware that in making judgements judges are often able to take into account the point of the law if such a thing is blindingly obvious. The point of the law is obviously not to force people to keep things hogging space on shop shelves, it would be to prevent companies being pressured into deplatforming and punishing people for particular political viewpoints.

[Albrenia]

That seems unworkable. Not only would you have Christian bakers being forced to make gay wedding cakes, you'd have shops forced to sell goods which don't sell simply because they're unable to refuse selling objects which promote any form of idea.

Although in general there's something that rubs me the wrong way about the whole idea of forcing bakers to make gay wedding cakes, I accept that to gain something I find to be increasingly necessary (the removal of ideological purity tests) that unfortunately there are things that must be sacrificed for the sake of consistency. As for your second point, I'm sure you're aware that in making judgements judges are often able to take into account the point of the law if such a thing is blindingly obvious. The point of the law is obviously not to force people to keep things hogging space on shop shelves, it would be to prevent companies being pressured into deplatforming and punishing people for particular political viewpoints.

I'm surprised you trust the legal system to accurately decide such variables, given how subjective they can be and how politically motivated individual judges can be.

[CoraSpia]

Although in general there's something that rubs me the wrong way about the whole idea of forcing bakers to make gay wedding cakes, I accept that to gain something I find to be increasingly necessary (the removal of ideological purity tests) that unfortunately there are things that must be sacrificed for the sake of consistency. As for your second point, I'm sure you're aware that in making judgements judges are often able to take into account the point of the law if such a thing is blindingly obvious. The point of the law is obviously not to force people to keep things hogging space on shop shelves, it would be to prevent companies being pressured into deplatforming and punishing people for particular political viewpoints.

I'm surprised you trust the legal system to accurately decide such variables, given how subjective they can be and how politically motivated individual judges can be.

My faith in judges is probably too strong. It comes from studying law and being told how the independent judiciary is the greatest thing in the world and how they don't care about politics and just want to follow the law etc.

[Kowani]

I'm surprised you trust the legal system to accurately decide such variables, given how subjective they can be and how politically motivated individual judges can be.

My faith in judges is probably too strong. It comes from studying law and being told how the independent judiciary is the greatest thing in the world and how they don't care about politics and just want to follow the law etc.

ah yes, the Stephen Breyer school of thought, also called "bullshit"