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Should your country require everyone who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine to actually receive it?

YES
159
53%
YES, BUT there should also be exceptions for philosophical and religious reasons
20
7%
NO, BUT EMPLOYERS SHOULD DO SO THEMSELVES
15
5%
NO, BUT people should be incentivised towards taking, and/or away from not taking, a COVID-19 vaccine (perhaps through lotteries, vaccine passports, etc.)
41
14%
NO
67
22%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 30, 2021 1:32 pm

Torisakia wrote:Until we start forcing unvaccinated people to give up their property and possessions and force them into ghettos by the boxcar load, I fail to believe that such people are facing any tyranny. And honestly, making a Star of David with the word "unvaccinated" in it is just incredibly disrespectful to the victims of the Holocaust.

Don't forget forcing them into actual death camps where we try to kill them by the hundreds of thousands.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 30, 2021 2:13 pm

Kyrgyzstan loses 1,000 vaccines after a refrigerator was turned off to charge a cellphone

A clinic in Kyrgyzstan had to throw away nearly 1,000 doses of the Sputnik V anticovid-19 vaccine after a person turned off the refrigerator in which they were stored to charge his cell phone – local officials said.The now useless vaccines were part of a batch of 20,000 doses delivered as humanitarian aid by Russia to this poor country in Central Asia.

The vaccination campaign started in March and so far the Russian immunizer is more popular than that of the Chinese Sinopharm.

The incident took place in April at a public clinic in Bishkek, but it has only been reported. This delay sparked criticism of the government.

According to Health Minister Alimkadyr Beyshenaliyev, a maintenance worker may have been responsible for the error when looking for an outlet to charge his cell phone.

“If it is the fault of one of the staff, the cleaning lady, or someone else, the clinic will have to respond financially,” he told the press.
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Postby Torisakia » Sun May 30, 2021 2:41 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Torisakia wrote:Until we start forcing unvaccinated people to give up their property and possessions and force them into ghettos by the boxcar load, I fail to believe that such people are facing any tyranny. And honestly, making a Star of David with the word "unvaccinated" in it is just incredibly disrespectful to the victims of the Holocaust.

Don't forget forcing them into actual death camps where we try to kill them by the hundreds of thousands.

I think making them wear a piece of cloth over the face while shopping for two items at Walmart is equivalent, if not worse, than that. :roll:
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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 30, 2021 2:47 pm

I thought it was we lefties who were supposed to be the snowflakes.

Imagine how these people would react if something happened which required something like food rationing.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 30, 2021 3:14 pm

Albrenia wrote:I thought it was we lefties who were supposed to be the snowflakes.

Imagine how these people would react if something happened which required something like food rationing.


Riots down at McDonalds lmfao.
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Postby Xmara » Sun May 30, 2021 3:31 pm

Albrenia wrote:I thought it was we lefties who were supposed to be the snowflakes.

Imagine how these people would react if something happened which required something like food rationing.

Looting would suddenly be considered acceptable
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 3:36 pm

Albrenia wrote:I thought it was we lefties who were supposed to be the snowflakes.

Imagine how these people would react if something happened which required something like food rationing.


The right-wing, especially Trump followers are the grand masters at projection. What pisses me the fuck off is that a lot of these folks call themselves “common good” conservatives, meaning that they’re critical of individualism and laissez-faire capitalist polices that the GOP have adopted the last couple of decades. However, during a pandemic, they refuse to wear a mask for the common good and they refuse to get vacationed for the common good. Even though mask wearing and more importantly, vaccines benefit them personally.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sun May 30, 2021 3:42 pm

Kowani wrote:Kyrgyzstan loses 1,000 vaccines after a refrigerator was turned off to charge a cellphone

A clinic in Kyrgyzstan had to throw away nearly 1,000 doses of the Sputnik V anticovid-19 vaccine after a person turned off the refrigerator in which they were stored to charge his cell phone – local officials said.The now useless vaccines were part of a batch of 20,000 doses delivered as humanitarian aid by Russia to this poor country in Central Asia.

The vaccination campaign started in March and so far the Russian immunizer is more popular than that of the Chinese Sinopharm.

The incident took place in April at a public clinic in Bishkek, but it has only been reported. This delay sparked criticism of the government.

According to Health Minister Alimkadyr Beyshenaliyev, a maintenance worker may have been responsible for the error when looking for an outlet to charge his cell phone.

“If it is the fault of one of the staff, the cleaning lady, or someone else, the clinic will have to respond financially,” he told the press.

I want to facepalm, really.

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Oh I doubt she read much if anything at all about it.

Her comments sound like she is thinking of memes when she wrote that.

Totally not trivializing the holocaust.
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Postby Deblar » Sun May 30, 2021 3:42 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Albrenia wrote:I thought it was we lefties who were supposed to be the snowflakes.

Imagine how these people would react if something happened which required something like food rationing.


The right-wing, especially Trump followers are the grand masters at projection. What pisses me the fuck off is that a lot of these folks call themselves “common good” conservatives, meaning that they’re critical of individualism and laissez-faire capitalist polices that the GOP have adopted the last couple of decades. However, during a pandemic, they refuse to wear a mask for the common good and they refuse to get vacationed for the common good. Even though mask wearing and more importantly, vaccines benefit them personally.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 3:43 pm

Deblar wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
The right-wing, especially Trump followers are the grand masters at projection. What pisses me the fuck off is that a lot of these folks call themselves “common good” conservatives, meaning that they’re critical of individualism and laissez-faire capitalist polices that the GOP have adopted the last couple of decades. However, during a pandemic, they refuse to wear a mask for the common good and they refuse to get vacationed for the common good. Even though mask wearing and more importantly, vaccines benefit them personally.

bUt iTs A fREe cOuNTrY, wE dOnT hAvE tO


Yeah, but then they should stop lying to themselves and to others when they call themselves “common good” conservatives.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 30, 2021 4:11 pm

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Dakini wrote:If you poke through the store reviews on Google Maps, you can find this one from five years ago from a customer complaining about her being racist to them too. So it's apparently not a new thing for her, she's just never managed to get international attention before.


Wow.

Well I reached out to the Goorin PR people and forwarded that link.


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Just got word from Goorin and they said they are severing all ties with that third party.
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Postby -SARS- » Sun May 30, 2021 4:56 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Wow.

Well I reached out to the Goorin PR people and forwarded that link.


-update-

Just got word from Goorin and they said they are severing all ties with that third party.


Maybe now she'll have a better appreciation for how the Jews felt when the Nazis shut their shops down.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 30, 2021 5:04 pm

-SARS- wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
-update-

Just got word from Goorin and they said they are severing all ties with that third party.


Maybe now she'll have a better appreciation for how the Jews felt when the Nazis shut their shops down.

Nope because her shop wasn't physically destroyed, just financially.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 5:06 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
-SARS- wrote:
Maybe now she'll have a better appreciation for how the Jews felt when the Nazis shut their shops down.

Nope because her shop wasn't physically destroyed, just financially.


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 30, 2021 5:18 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Nope because her shop wasn't physically destroyed, just financially.


$50 says that she gets her own show on OANN.


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Postby -SARS- » Sun May 30, 2021 5:26 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
-SARS- wrote:
Maybe now she'll have a better appreciation for how the Jews felt when the Nazis shut their shops down.

Nope because her shop wasn't physically destroyed, just financially.


It's not the full Holocaust experience, and I had no intention of implying that it was. Obviously we're not going to gas her or send her to a concentration camp.

But it is a lot more disruptive than being offered a vaccine.
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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 30, 2021 5:27 pm

I guess this will go on the list of things 'liberals cancelled' which were actually destroyed by businesses not wanting to be associated with outdated bigotry, or trying to appeal to a broader market.

Much like Mr. Potato Head, Dr. Seuss and whatever else they can try to spin to be 'cancel culture' which is in fact just businesses deciding how they wish to present themselves to the consumer.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 30, 2021 5:28 pm

Albrenia wrote:I guess this will go on the list of things 'liberals cancelled' which were actually destroyed by businesses not wanting to be associated with outdated bigotry, or trying to appeal to a broader market.

Much like Mr. Potato Head, Dr. Seuss and whatever else they can try to spin to be 'cancel culture' which is in fact just businesses deciding how they wish to present themselves to the consumer.


The free market is good till they cancel someone. Then we need a command economy under Trump.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 30, 2021 5:41 pm

CDC says summer camps can reopen

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday summer camps no longer need to require masks or social distancing if everyone is fully vaccinated, including the campers, in new guidance issued just ahead of the holiday weekend.

The new guidance says masks and social distancing are not required if everyone at the camp is fully vaccinated but said camps with unvaccinated campers or adults, including any camp for kids younger than 12 not yet eligible for the COVID-19 vaccine, should still encourage or require masks indoors. The new guidance also recommends that even in camps where everyone is fully vaccinated, campers should be assigned to groups that remain together the entire session and mix with other groups as little as possible.

The updated CDC recommendations say people generally don't need to wear masks outside, unless they are in a crowded setting or coming in close contact with others. Walensky has previously cited unvaccinated kids playing soccer at camp as an example of an activity where close contact and breathing heavily could increase the risk of transmission.

But CDC says camps should still follow state or local health guidance and could choose to continue to require everyone to wear masks if it's unclear who is and is not fully vaccinated. Agency health experts said camps should encourage vaccination for everyone over 12 and should still support campers or adults who wish to wear masks.
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Postby -SARS- » Sun May 30, 2021 5:54 pm

Albrenia wrote:I guess this will go on the list of things 'liberals cancelled' which were actually destroyed by businesses not wanting to be associated with outdated bigotry, or trying to appeal to a broader market.

Much like Mr. Potato Head, Dr. Seuss and whatever else they can try to spin to be 'cancel culture' which is in fact just businesses deciding how they wish to present themselves to the consumer.


Probably.

Though personally, I think this is one of the more justifiable "cancellations." It's a recent event, not some tweet from 10 years ago that someone dug up. It's really obvious why it was obnoxious. I just can't bring myself to be upset on her behalf.

I'm really struggling to understand how someone who isn't a virus can be that upset about vaccines.
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Postby Koletsia » Sun May 30, 2021 6:30 pm

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Albrenia wrote:I'm really struggling to understand how someone who isn't a virus can be that upset about vaccines.


The issue many people have, quite rationally so, is that after the Second World War, people were so mortified regarding human medical experimentation that in 1947 they created the Nuremberg Medical Code which stated that it is 100% essential to secure consent from people to use experimental medicines without coercion (for example, limiting their abilities in public life and so on). People do not buy that merely because an organisation states "yes, it's safe" that it is indeed so because in any other circumstance such medicines require years more trials, etc. in order to gain approval. I feel these are legitimate concerns and any citizen of a democratic state should be absolutely concerned when their government attempts to limit the unvaccinated from participating in society.
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Postby -SARS- » Sun May 30, 2021 6:40 pm

Koletsia wrote:
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The issue many people have, quite rationally so, is that after the Second World War, people were so mortified regarding human medical experimentation that in 1947 they created the Nuremberg Medical Code which stated that it is 100% essential to secure consent from people to use experimental medicines without coercion (for example, limiting their abilities in public life and so on). People do not buy that merely because an organisation states "yes, it's safe" that it is indeed so because in any other circumstance such medicines require years more trials, etc. in order to gain approval. I feel these are legitimate concerns and any citizen of a democratic state should be absolutely concerned when their government attempts to limit the unvaccinated from participating in society.


They had already started the development process before COVID even came about because people in the public health community were wigged out by SARS and MERS. The vaccines were put through clinical trials before being released to the general public.

Seriously, when did catching respiratory viruses become such a sought-after privilege and where was all this enthusiasm when I was infecting human hosts? I don't get it.
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Postby Valentine Z » Sun May 30, 2021 7:03 pm

So my parents just got their second dose, and now I am just hoping for the best. Now that is 3 out of 4 family members fully vaccinated - my parents, and my younger brother (being in National Service now helped).

Left with little young/old me, who is waiting for his turn. ^^;
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 30, 2021 7:06 pm

Valentine Z wrote:So my parents just got their second dose, and now I am just hoping for the best. Now that is 3 out of 4 family members fully vaccinated - my parents, and my younger brother (being in National Service now helped).

Left with little young/old me, who is waiting for his turn. ^^;


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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 30, 2021 7:09 pm

Valentine Z wrote:So my parents just got their second dose, and now I am just hoping for the best. Now that is 3 out of 4 family members fully vaccinated - my parents, and my younger brother (being in National Service now helped).

Left with little young/old me, who is waiting for his turn. ^^;

Nice, just remember that it can take 2 weeks after the second vax for the body to be immunized.
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