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The Balkan Lion's Third Ballot(A Bulgarian Election Thread)

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Who do you support?

GERB
1
4%
BSP
7
26%
ITN
3
11%
DPS
2
7%
DB
6
22%
ISMV
5
19%
OP
3
11%
 
Total votes : 27

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:37 pm

A low priority vote, but one that's on the EU watch. Bulgaria's going to the polls on Sunday, April 4, and there's a lot of disquiet in the country. Bulgaria's been fairly quiet the last few years except for last year, where they had their own localised version of the Summer of Discontent. This was mostly due to the current PM, Boyko Borisov, being allgedly quite corrupt and increasingly paranoid. Press freedom has dropped considerably in the last four years, Borisov's at open war with the country's president, Rumen Radev, and the protests were triggered after Borisov had the Chief Prosecutor's office raid the Radev administration alleging a cover-up. Another major issue that led to the protests was the "Eight Dwarfs" scandal that saw top magistrates coercing business executives to sell shares or gold bars to them, even going so far as to threaten one executive with denying his son kidney dialysis if he refused(this sounds like a novel, but it isn't).

Ultimately, the nation rose up demanding the end of the GERB(Borisov's party) government, the resignations of other senior officials including the GERB Mayor of Sofia, the Chief Prosecutor, and the Director-General of BNT(Bulgaria's state TV network), early elections and amendments to the constitution. Only the amendments were ever called, and the Grand National Assembly session required to vote on them never came to pass. So now Bulgaria's going to the polls under these circumstance, and Borisov's party is nonetheless still leading in the polls, albeit by a reduced margin than in '17. In the meantime, many of his biggest opponents have formed parties of their own including(in an odd repeat of recent history) TV star and popular folk musician Slavi Trifonov with his anti-corruption There is Such a People Party, and the federal ombudswoman Maya Manolova launching Stand Up.BG.

After the April election, there was no workable governing coalition on Bulgaria. Not that they didn't try...even though they mostly didn't. GERB's candidate, Daniel Mitov, a protege of Borisov, couldn't get a majority. Radev then offered a technocratic government supported by ITN and lead by Antoaneta Stefanova, a chess grandmaster. She refused. Finally the BSP got a crack. They refused to even try saying nobody wanted to work with them.so on May 1, the President called for a second election for Sunday, June 11.

UPDATE(9/14): It appears that Trifonov was not able to form a government, so Bulgaria goes to the polls for the thrid time on Sunday, November 14, the same day as the first round of the Presidential election.

So let's get to it. There are 240 seats in the National Assembly in 31 multi-member districts using closed list PR with a 4% threshold. Now let's meet the parties:

GERB(Coat of Arms) led by Current PM Boyko Borisov: Centre-right to Right, Conservative, Populist, Pro-Europe

Bulgarian Socialist Party(BSP) led by Korneliya Ninova: Centre-left to Left, Pro-Europe, Pro-Russia, Democratic Socialist, Left Populist, Left Nationalist, Social Conservative

There Is Such a People(ITN) led by Slavi Trifonov: Big Tent, Pro-Europe, Anti-Corruption, Populist, Direct Democratic

Movement for Rights and Freedoms(DPS) led by Mustafa Karadayi: Centre, Turkish Interests, Social Liberal

Democratic Bulgaria(DB) an alliance of three parties including the Bulgarian Greens led by Hristo Ivanov and Atanas Atanasov: Centre to Centre-right, Liberal, Liberal Conservative, Green Policy, Pro-Europe, Anti-Corruption

Stand up! Mafia, Get Out!(ISMV) led by Maya Monolova: Big Tent, Populist, Anti-corruption

United Patriots(OP) a coalition of two parties led by Krasimir Karakachenov and Valeri Simeonov: Far Right, Bulgarian Orthodox, Soft Eurosceptic, Right Populist, National Conservative, Nationalist

So, what's your choice, NSG? For me, it would be DB. Trifonov's doing his best, and I can't fault him for putting the effort in, but after seeing what happened in Ukraine, I'm a little shy of a repeat performance in Sofia.
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Postby Madrinpoor » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:44 pm

I do not know very much about Bulgarian politics (though I do run the French Political Discussion thread, just a little plug there) but I am supporting the DPS, or Movement for Rights and Freedoms, because they generally align with my views and are a part of ALDE. I am sorry for my lack of knowledge, this is the only contribution I could add :( . By the way, is there a thread for cross-EU elections? Not just EU elections, but also elections of other countries inside the EU. It seems like it could give a voice to the smaller nations with interesting political realms like Bulgaria and Greece.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:45 pm

Madrinpoor wrote:I do not know very much about Bulgarian politics (though I do run the French Political Discussion thread, just a little plug there) but I am supporting the DPS, or Movement for Rights and Freedoms, because they generally align with my views and are a part of ALDE. I am sorry for my lack of knowledge, this is the only contribution I could add :( . By the way, is there a thread for cross-EU elections? Not just EU elections, but also elections of other countries inside the EU. It seems like it could give a voice to the smaller nations with interesting political realms like Bulgaria and Greece.


You know, it's never come up, usually the smaller nations tend to get ignored, but there aren't that many that ultimately do, and they usually get their own threads.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:53 pm

Shrillland wrote:
A low priority vote, but one that's on the EU watch. Bulgaria's going to the polls on Sunday, April 4, and there's a lot of disquiet in the country. Bulgaria's been fairly quiet the last few years except for last year, where they had their own localised version of the Summer of Discontent. This was mostly due to the current PM, Boyko Borisov, being allgedly quite corrupt and increasingly paranoid. Press freedom has dropped considerably in the last four years, Borisov's at open war with the country's president, Rumen Radev, and the protests were triggered after Borisov had the Chief Prosecutor's office raid the Radev administration alleging a cover-up. Another major issue that led to the protests was the "Eight Dwarfs" scandal that saw top magistrates coercing business executives to sell shares or gold bars to them, even going so far as to threaten one executive with denying his son kidney dialysis if he refused(this sounds like a novel, but it isn't).

Ultimately, the nation rose up demanding the end of the GERB(Borisov's party) government, the resignations of other senior officials including the GERB Mayor of Sofia, the Chief Prosecutor, and the Director-General of BNT(Bulgaria's state TV network), early elections and amendments to the constitution. Only the amendments were ever called, and the Grand National Assembly session required to vote on them never came to pass. So now Bulgaria's going to the polls under these circumstance, and Borisov's party is nonetheless still leading in the polls, albeit by a reduced margin than in '17. In the meantime, many of his biggest opponents have formed parties of their own including(in an odd repeat of recent history) TV star and popular folk musician Slavi Trifonov with his anti-corruption There is Such a People Party, and the federal ombudswoman Maya Manolova launching Stand Up.BG.

So let's get to it. There are 240 seats in the National Assembly in 31 multi-member districts using closed list PR with a 4% threshold. Now let's meet the parties:

GERB(Coat of Arms) led by Current PM Boyko Borisov: Centre-right to Right, Conservative, Populist, Pro-Europe

Bulgarian Socialist Party(BSP) led by Korneliya Ninova: Centre-left to Left, Pro-Europe, Pro-Russia, Democratic Socialist, Left Populist, Left Nationalist, Social Conservative

There Is Such a People(ITN) led by Slavi Trifonov: Big Tent, Pro-Europe, Anti-Corruption, Populist, Direct Democratic

Movement for Rights and Freedoms(DPS) led by Mustafa Karadayi: Centre, Turkish Interests, Social Liberal

Democratic Bulgaria(DB) an alliance of three parties including the Bulgarian Greens led by Hristo Ivanov and Atanas Atanasov: Centre to Centre-right, Liberal, Liberal Conservative, Green Policy, Pro-Europe, Anti-Corruption

Stand up! Mutri, Get Out!(ISMV) led by Maya Monolova: Big Tent, Populist, Anti-corruption

United Patriots(OP) a coalition of two parties led by Krasimir Karakachenov and Valeri Simeonov: Far Right, Bulgarian Orthodox, Soft Eurosceptic, Right Populist, National Conservative, Nationalist

So, what's your choice, NSG? For me, it would be DB. Trifonov's doing his best, and I can't fault him for putting the effort in, but after seeing what happened in Ukraine, I'm a little shy of a repeat performance in Sofia.

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:20 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
A low priority vote, but one that's on the EU watch. Bulgaria's going to the polls on Sunday, April 4, and there's a lot of disquiet in the country. Bulgaria's been fairly quiet the last few years except for last year, where they had their own localised version of the Summer of Discontent. This was mostly due to the current PM, Boyko Borisov, being allgedly quite corrupt and increasingly paranoid. Press freedom has dropped considerably in the last four years, Borisov's at open war with the country's president, Rumen Radev, and the protests were triggered after Borisov had the Chief Prosecutor's office raid the Radev administration alleging a cover-up. Another major issue that led to the protests was the "Eight Dwarfs" scandal that saw top magistrates coercing business executives to sell shares or gold bars to them, even going so far as to threaten one executive with denying his son kidney dialysis if he refused(this sounds like a novel, but it isn't).

Ultimately, the nation rose up demanding the end of the GERB(Borisov's party) government, the resignations of other senior officials including the GERB Mayor of Sofia, the Chief Prosecutor, and the Director-General of BNT(Bulgaria's state TV network), early elections and amendments to the constitution. Only the amendments were ever called, and the Grand National Assembly session required to vote on them never came to pass. So now Bulgaria's going to the polls under these circumstance, and Borisov's party is nonetheless still leading in the polls, albeit by a reduced margin than in '17. In the meantime, many of his biggest opponents have formed parties of their own including(in an odd repeat of recent history) TV star and popular folk musician Slavi Trifonov with his anti-corruption There is Such a People Party, and the federal ombudswoman Maya Manolova launching Stand Up.BG.

So let's get to it. There are 240 seats in the National Assembly in 31 multi-member districts using closed list PR with a 4% threshold. Now let's meet the parties:

GERB(Coat of Arms) led by Current PM Boyko Borisov: Centre-right to Right, Conservative, Populist, Pro-Europe

Bulgarian Socialist Party(BSP) led by Korneliya Ninova: Centre-left to Left, Pro-Europe, Pro-Russia, Democratic Socialist, Left Populist, Left Nationalist, Social Conservative

There Is Such a People(ITN) led by Slavi Trifonov: Big Tent, Pro-Europe, Anti-Corruption, Populist, Direct Democratic

Movement for Rights and Freedoms(DPS) led by Mustafa Karadayi: Centre, Turkish Interests, Social Liberal

Democratic Bulgaria(DB) an alliance of three parties including the Bulgarian Greens led by Hristo Ivanov and Atanas Atanasov: Centre to Centre-right, Liberal, Liberal Conservative, Green Policy, Pro-Europe, Anti-Corruption

Stand up! Mutri, Get Out!(ISMV) led by Maya Monolova: Big Tent, Populist, Anti-corruption

United Patriots(OP) a coalition of two parties led by Krasimir Karakachenov and Valeri Simeonov: Far Right, Bulgarian Orthodox, Soft Eurosceptic, Right Populist, National Conservative, Nationalist

So, what's your choice, NSG? For me, it would be DB. Trifonov's doing his best, and I can't fault him for putting the effort in, but after seeing what happened in Ukraine, I'm a little shy of a repeat performance in Sofia.

Has it occurred to you that your obsession with elections might be becoming a problem? :)



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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:14 am

Apparently every single Bulgarian party can be described as "populist". (I figure that any party that identifies as representing "Turkish interest" is populist as well, just for a different audience)

Oh well, if I were Bulgarian, I'd vote for the party that has the most believable anti-corruption platform.
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Farnhamia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
A low priority vote, but one that's on the EU watch. Bulgaria's going to the polls on Sunday, April 4, and there's a lot of disquiet in the country. Bulgaria's been fairly quiet the last few years except for last year, where they had their own localised version of the Summer of Discontent. This was mostly due to the current PM, Boyko Borisov, being allgedly quite corrupt and increasingly paranoid. Press freedom has dropped considerably in the last four years, Borisov's at open war with the country's president, Rumen Radev, and the protests were triggered after Borisov had the Chief Prosecutor's office raid the Radev administration alleging a cover-up. Another major issue that led to the protests was the "Eight Dwarfs" scandal that saw top magistrates coercing business executives to sell shares or gold bars to them, even going so far as to threaten one executive with denying his son kidney dialysis if he refused(this sounds like a novel, but it isn't).

Ultimately, the nation rose up demanding the end of the GERB(Borisov's party) government, the resignations of other senior officials including the GERB Mayor of Sofia, the Chief Prosecutor, and the Director-General of BNT(Bulgaria's state TV network), early elections and amendments to the constitution. Only the amendments were ever called, and the Grand National Assembly session required to vote on them never came to pass. So now Bulgaria's going to the polls under these circumstance, and Borisov's party is nonetheless still leading in the polls, albeit by a reduced margin than in '17. In the meantime, many of his biggest opponents have formed parties of their own including(in an odd repeat of recent history) TV star and popular folk musician Slavi Trifonov with his anti-corruption There is Such a People Party, and the federal ombudswoman Maya Manolova launching Stand Up.BG.

So let's get to it. There are 240 seats in the National Assembly in 31 multi-member districts using closed list PR with a 4% threshold. Now let's meet the parties:

GERB(Coat of Arms) led by Current PM Boyko Borisov: Centre-right to Right, Conservative, Populist, Pro-Europe

Bulgarian Socialist Party(BSP) led by Korneliya Ninova: Centre-left to Left, Pro-Europe, Pro-Russia, Democratic Socialist, Left Populist, Left Nationalist, Social Conservative

There Is Such a People(ITN) led by Slavi Trifonov: Big Tent, Pro-Europe, Anti-Corruption, Populist, Direct Democratic

Movement for Rights and Freedoms(DPS) led by Mustafa Karadayi: Centre, Turkish Interests, Social Liberal

Democratic Bulgaria(DB) an alliance of three parties including the Bulgarian Greens led by Hristo Ivanov and Atanas Atanasov: Centre to Centre-right, Liberal, Liberal Conservative, Green Policy, Pro-Europe, Anti-Corruption

Stand up! Mutri, Get Out!(ISMV) led by Maya Monolova: Big Tent, Populist, Anti-corruption

United Patriots(OP) a coalition of two parties led by Krasimir Karakachenov and Valeri Simeonov: Far Right, Bulgarian Orthodox, Soft Eurosceptic, Right Populist, National Conservative, Nationalist

So, what's your choice, NSG? For me, it would be DB. Trifonov's doing his best, and I can't fault him for putting the effort in, but after seeing what happened in Ukraine, I'm a little shy of a repeat performance in Sofia.

Has it occurred to you that your obsession with elections might be becoming a problem? :)


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Postby Picairn » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:55 am

Farnhamia wrote:Has it occurred to you that your obsession with elections might be becoming a problem? :)

You guys should bestow Shrill the title "NSG's Election Commissioner" or something. He deserves it. :p
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:06 am

"There is Such a People"

What a fucking name lmao
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:07 am

I support Democratic Bulgaria, because green conservatism is based.

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Postby Monkchester » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:09 am

The 'B' in 'BSP' stands for 'based'.

Also, "pro-Europe" is a misrepresentation. Some IP who claimed everyone else just didn't understand the sources edited it but they were wrong ("we support membership but..." literally is soft Euroscepticism) and the previous position given was the best description for a Wikipedia box summary.
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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:10 am

'there is such a people' sounds like a line from an anarchist folk song.

All the parties seem a bit rubbish if I'm honest, even their far-right party seems rubbish because it's over-religious.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:44 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Has it occurred to you that your obsession with elections might be becoming a problem? :)



A long time ago, yes.

Nothing wrong with fascinations of other nations elections. ;)

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Postby Shrillland » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:13 am

Due to COVID difficulties, there's expected to be a week between the exit polls and the final count: https://bntnews.bg/news/mihail-konstantinov-ima-vazmozhnost-oficialnite-rezultati-ot-izborite-da-se-zabavyat-1100971news.html
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Postby Risottia » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:11 am

Shrillland wrote:....Bulgarian Socialist Party(BSP) led by Korneliya Ninova: Centre-left to Left, Pro-Europe, Pro-Russia, Democratic Socialist, Left Populist, Left Nationalist, Social Conservative...


Socialist pro Europe pro Russia nationalist populist conservative...

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Risottia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:....Bulgarian Socialist Party(BSP) led by Korneliya Ninova: Centre-left to Left, Pro-Europe, Pro-Russia, Democratic Socialist, Left Populist, Left Nationalist, Social Conservative...


Socialist pro Europe pro Russia nationalist populist conservative...

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Actually, yes. They're the remnants of the old guard communists while maintaining a more pro-EU stance, so they try to be a bridge between the two.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:19 am

A Republicans for Bulgaria candidate just asked to be removed from his areas list after he appeared on a list of State Security Agents from the communist days: https://btvnovinite.bg/bulgaria/kandidat-za-deputat-na-republikanci-za-balgarija-se-ottegli-imal-dosie-v-ds.html
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“even going so far as to threaten one executive with denying his son kidney dialysis if he refused(this sounds like a novel, but it isn't).”
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Kowani wrote:“even going so far as to threaten one executive with denying his son kidney dialysis if he refused(this sounds like a novel, but it isn't).”
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Kowani wrote:“even going so far as to threaten one executive with denying his son kidney dialysis if he refused(this sounds like a novel, but it isn't).”
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Postby Arisyan » Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:45 am

this'll be an interesting election to watch. Polls are neck and neck between GERB and BSP, and ITN is doing quite well (though it's name is, um, interesting to say the least). Personally, my support is dancing between BSP and DB, I still cant decide with one to back. Maybe I could do both given that I don't live there :p
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Postby Liburia » Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:36 am

I would vote for Volt Bulgaria.
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Liburia wrote:I would vote for Volt Bulgaria.


They'll be part of ISMV this time around.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:16 am

With just one week left to go, the National Movement for Children is calling on all candidates to defend children's rights: https://bntnews.bg/news/deklaraciya-prizovava-kandidatite-za-deputati-da-stanat-zashtitnici-na-pravata-na-deteto-1101443news.html

As for my take...difficult to say the least. It's clear that GERB's coming back with a reduced lead, but a lot of parties don't want to deal with them or BSP, both seen as corrupt dinosaurs. None of the new groups want to work with either party, which means that GERB, BSP, and DPS have to somehow figure something out on their own. I think that the most likely coalition will be BSP-DPS despite their differences just to get Borisov out of office, though whether it can last remains to be seen.
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Postby Imperialisium » Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:30 am

Dresderstan wrote:
Kowani wrote:“even going so far as to threaten one executive with denying his son kidney dialysis if he refused(this sounds like a novel, but it isn't).”
What the fuck lmao
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You’d enjoy the fun fact that in Bulgaria you’re more likely to be killed by a professional hitman than mugged.

Anyways, I’ll prob be voting DB.
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