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Transgender Discussion Thread V: The Fifth Dimension

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:48 pm
by Nakena
Welcome to the Transgender Discussion Thread V.

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Welcome to the 5th ultimative NSG's official transgender discussion thread. Here in this place all the matters surrounding transgender and what not come in and merge and mingle together in one big and happy exciting MEGAthread. One of the last remaining and still active ones. Always active now in the 5th edition!

I continue by the pasta intros provided by Grenartia and DLN.


Grenartia wrote:This thread has for the most part two main purposes;

  • Firstly, this thread's role is to educate those legitimately wishing to understand more about Transgender Issues - by providing resources, studies, and other information of varying degree.
  • Secondly, this thread is also a place for Transgender NSers to find resources, information, centres, help and other Transgender NSers of whom they can converse with. Often, one of the hardest things associated with being Transgender, is finding A) A Community or other Trans-People B) Resources or ''Where in the Hell do I even start?''.

What this Thread is not:

With these two goals in mind, as broad as they may be - this thread is not a place to flame, troll, bait or any other malicious behaviour. Such behaviour will not be tolerated.
The topics should solely retain to Transgender Issues - Intentional Derailment is considered malicious behaviour, and is subjected to the above clause of; not being tolerated. Discussions should remain PG-13 and be held to the regular rules and guides of NationStates and its user policies. In all, Discussion within the NTT should follow along three simple guidelines;

  • Keep it Clean
  • Keep it Sane
  • Keep it Civil

Thirdly and finally, pertaining to the discussion over Transgender issues and topics - this thread is not a place to try and convert the masses or other Religious babble that does not directly pertain to the discussion at hand. This is not to say that Religion may not be discussed, however, previous instalments have resulted in rapid and sudden onset of trolling, flaming, or other malicious intentions that killed the topic, thread, or discussion as a whole.

Other behaviours that'll not be tolerated are [Prior thanks to Farn - Took the words out of my mouth or fingers as it were];
  • Intentionally misgendering a person or individual after they have made it known to be referred to with their preferred personal pronoun.
  • Referring to non-heterosexual persons as mentally ill or equating not being heterosexual as akin to being a paedophile.
  • Discussions of religious prohibitions on non-heterosexual behaviour will be tolerated to the extent that they do not evolve into general discussions of religions or a particular religion. This is applied vice versa - Do not troll, flame, or bait members of the Religious community either.

Understanding that topics related to, associated, or otherwise pertaining to LGBT Issues, are and commonly, a hotly debated topic with strong convictions, emotions, or personal/political standings for all parties involved - Be Respectful and mindful. There are many opinions associated with this forum of discussion, as such, show well guided respect to each other as posters and users of NationStates and this thread as a whole. Obviously, not everyone shares the same opinion, express so in a manner that does not break the rules - Be Respectful. Simple.


MODEDIT: We will not tolerate deliberate misgendering of players on this forum. Now that this is clear, I want to also state that this thread has been sanctioned by myself, at least, of the moderation team. And there will be no trolling, flaming, and waltzing in to insult the participants of this thread. It is designed to help educate, assist, and discuss various issues facing people dealing with these issues. It is not a place to discuss whether or not you feel their issues are valid. Thank you.

--Nathicana, NationStates Game Moderator



The post immediately after this one will be filled with a glossary, for your convenience. So you get the terms that are being discussed here.

Links to former threads:

First Thread
Second Thread
Third Thread
Fourth Thread

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:48 pm
by Nakena
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Grenartia wrote:
Transgender: An adjective used to describe a person whose gender identity differs from the one most commonly associated with the sex they were assigned at birth.

Cisgender: An adjective used to describe a person whose gender identity is the same as the one most commonly associated with the sex they were assigned at birth.

Trans woman: Someone who, at birth was assigned male at birth (AMAB), but identifies as a woman.

Trans man: Someone who, at birth was assigned female at birth (AFAB), but identifies as a man.

MtF: An adjective/acronym used to refer to trans women.

FtM: An adjective/acronym used to refer to trans men.

Cis woman: Someone who was assigned female at birth (AFAB), and identifies as a woman.

Cis man: Someone who was assigned male at birth (AMAB), and identifies as a man.

Androgyne (aka) Androgynous: Being, or existing in a state between male and memale, as a combination of both to varying degrees.

Agender: Being, or existing in a state that is outside, or void of gender introspection of either male or female.

Genderfluid: having a gender identity which periodically fluctuates between 2 or more genders.

Non-Binary: Being, or existing in a state that is outside of the binary of male or female, but not void of gender introspection. Is generally considered to encompass Agender, Androgynous, and Genderfluid.

HRT (aka) Hormone Replacement Therapy: Medication or treatments used to rebalance hormones within the body to the levels of the gender preferred, and in doing so, create reactions within the body to make one appear more female or male, and to (at least partially) reduce gender dysphoria, or to enhance gender euphoria.

SRS (aka) Sexual Reassignment Surgery: Surgery used by transpeople to re-design genitalia to reduce gender dysphoria (either in whole or in part), or to increase gender euphoria.

Top Surgery: Various surgical options to either increase or decrease breast size (depending on the transition needs of the patient in question).

Transfem/Transfeminine: A term used to collectively describe trans women and AMAB NB people, especially in terms of social experiences.

Transmasc/Transmasculine: A term used to collectively describe trans men and AFAB NB people, especially in terms of social experiences.


EDIT: more to be added.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:50 pm
by Atheris
*sniffffffffffffffff*

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, new thread smell. Second! Er, third?

EDIT: NOPE I'M FIRST SUCK IT LOSERS /j you're all valid and i love you all

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:50 pm
by Nakena
Atheris wrote:*sniffffffffffffffff*

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, new thread smell. Second! Er, third?


1st technically! :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:51 pm
by Atheris
Nakena wrote:
Atheris wrote:*sniffffffffffffffff*

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, new thread smell. Second! Er, third?


1st technically! :lol:

VICTORY IS MINE! FINALLY! YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:57 pm
by Auzkhia
Third?

Damn, am I the third gender here? Huh get it?

There's something about non-binary being the so called third gender even though it is a wide part of the spectrum of infinite personal variation. Gender is a mess but girl stuff is nice. I've been a regular for a couple years.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:57 pm
by Suriyanakhon
Cambodian police raid clinics over connections to “illicit” gender reassignment surgeries.

Transphobic violence is widespread in Cambodia, but it's possible that the police actually have a valid reason for the raid, considering that surgeries by unlicensed sources can be dangerous.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:59 pm
by Kowani
Suriyanakhon wrote:Cambodian police raid clinics over connections to “illicit” gender reassignment surgeries.

Transphobic violence is widespread in Cambodia, but it's possible that the police actually have a valid reason for the raid, considering that surgeries by unlicensed sources can be dangerous.

is transition surgery legal in cambodia?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:02 pm
by Atheris
Kowani wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:Cambodian police raid clinics over connections to “illicit” gender reassignment surgeries.

Transphobic violence is widespread in Cambodia, but it's possible that the police actually have a valid reason for the raid, considering that surgeries by unlicensed sources can be dangerous.

is transition surgery legal in cambodia?

Cambodian law does not allow for legal gender changes, nor for sex reassignment surgery.

If anyone's curious: homosexual sex is legal, but not gay marriage, but one was conducted in 2005 and over 250 people came to it. One of the brides had 3 children from a previous marriage, so the Cambodian government allowed it because of the biological children. In 2018, they agreed on Iceland and Canada's "recommendations" to legalize same-sex marriage although I don't think anything's come of it yet.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:02 pm
by Suriyanakhon
Kowani wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:Cambodian police raid clinics over connections to “illicit” gender reassignment surgeries.

Transphobic violence is widespread in Cambodia, but it's possible that the police actually have a valid reason for the raid, considering that surgeries by unlicensed sources can be dangerous.

is transition surgery legal in cambodia?


Not at the moment, unfortunately.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:20 pm
by Kowani
Suriyanakhon wrote:
Kowani wrote:is transition surgery legal in cambodia?


Not at the moment, unfortunately.

how lovely

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:36 pm
by Arcturus Novus
Eugh, with the fucking trans Strasserist flag, really?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:42 pm
by Alcala-Cordel
Arcturus Novus wrote:Eugh, with the fucking trans Strasserist flag, really?

Oh, that's why that symbol looks familiar.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:44 pm
by Kowani

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:48 pm
by Arcturus Novus

Have you been alright lately? I imagine dredging up these depressing bills as they're announced isn't doing wonders for your mental health.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:51 pm
by Kowani
Arcturus Novus wrote:

Have you been alright lately? I imagine dredging up these depressing bills as they're announced isn't doing wonders for your mental health.

i do appreciate the concern
but aside from my general sense of ever-growing horror and dread at the sheer cruelty and apathy on the part of half the country
i'll be fine
someone has to do it

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:03 pm
by Suriyanakhon
Kowani wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
Not at the moment, unfortunately.

how lovely


Yeah, as much as I like Cambodia, it's an extremely conservative and patriarchal country.

On the bright side, the last two kings have both supported LGBTQ+ rights, but their power is limited compared to the prime minister's.
Arcturus Novus wrote:Eugh, with the fucking trans Strasserist flag, really?


I'm not entirely sure why Nak thought it was an appropriate idea to use a literal Nazi flag for a trans discussion thread.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:48 pm
by Arcturus Novus
Suriyanakhon wrote:I'm not entirely sure why Nak thought it was an appropriate idea to use a literal Nazi flag for a trans discussion thread.

Because it’s “funny” I guess.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:51 pm
by Sundiata
In your experience, what are a few ways to help people who experience gender dysphoria feel safe and supported?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:08 pm
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks
*inhales this thread like high-grade cocaine*
d i s c o u r s e .

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:09 pm
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks
Sundiata wrote:In your experience, what are a few ways to help people who experience gender dysphoria feel safe and supported?

don't have anything nice to say? don't talk.
don't say things that are obviously offensive (misgendering and such)
generally be a patient and understanding person
don't out anyone
and avoid trans-fats, they are virtue-signalling to get into blood vessels.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:15 pm
by Sundiata
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
Sundiata wrote:In your experience, what are a few ways to help people who experience gender dysphoria feel safe and supported?

don't have anything nice to say? don't talk.

What nice phrases are usually appreciated?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:18 pm
by Alcala-Cordel
Sundiata wrote:
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:don't have anything nice to say? don't talk.

What nice phrases are usually appreciated?

It really depends, but whatever you do do not talk about "essence".

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:23 pm
by Sundiata
Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Sundiata wrote:What nice phrases are usually appreciated?

It really depends, but whatever you do do not talk about "essence".

Oh no, not unless I'm asked.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:28 pm
by Auzkhia
Sundiata wrote:In your experience, what are a few ways to help people who experience gender dysphoria feel safe and supported?

Let them transition, affirm their identity, and give them money.