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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:06 pm

Zetaopalatopia wrote:
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Except that it isn't just general care that can be decided at 18, it is all care, whether for plastic surgery, or liposuction, or any other medical procedure. Quit literally at 18, except when it comes to alcohol in the US, a person can make any and all medical decisions for themselves. That includes things like getting their tubes tied.


Non hormonal sterilization I am fine with at age 18, but I would not support an 18 year old having a full hysterectomy or orchiectomy outside cancer prevention. Not a doctor, and not all that well versed on when hormonal development is done enough to not have unintended consequence. So I may be being too cautious in my opinion of pushing the age higher. But at the end of the day it's an opinion. I don't really care what an individual does to their own body uncoerced


Why, they are an adult. That is the entire reason the age of majority exists. Why is it that those who are 18 can go to war, but they cannot decide what they do with their own bodies? You are the one suggesting limiting adults in their own medical decisions. Are you saying you don't feel that strongly about the third?
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Postby Zetaopalatopia » Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:30 pm

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Non hormonal sterilization I am fine with at age 18, but I would not support an 18 year old having a full hysterectomy or orchiectomy outside cancer prevention. Not a doctor, and not all that well versed on when hormonal development is done enough to not have unintended consequence. So I may be being too cautious in my opinion of pushing the age higher. But at the end of the day it's an opinion. I don't really care what an individual does to their own body uncoerced


Why, they are an adult. That is the entire reason the age of majority exists. Why is it that those who are 18 can go to war, but they cannot decide what they do with their own bodies? You are the one suggesting limiting adults in their own medical decisions. Are you saying you don't feel that strongly about the third?


An opinion was asked and an opinion was given. I was just stating what I think. I have no intention on telling another what they can and can't do, just that I recommend they wait. The question I answered had no reference to whether or not the individual was considered an adult or not. I just used 18 as that was the age you gave me. If 16 or 14 were the age of majority in this debate my opinion would be the same, their body their choice if they want to sterilize or have any other procedure, I'd still want them to wait. In my opinion 25 is a good age for choices that alter hormone production, but I am not advocating it be a forced wait till then.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:34 pm

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Why, they are an adult. That is the entire reason the age of majority exists. Why is it that those who are 18 can go to war, but they cannot decide what they do with their own bodies? You are the one suggesting limiting adults in their own medical decisions. Are you saying you don't feel that strongly about the third?


An opinion was asked and an opinion was given. I was just stating what I think. I have no intention on telling another what they can and can't do, just that I recommend they wait. The question I answered had no reference to whether or not the individual was considered an adult or not. I just used 18 as that was the age you gave me. If 16 or 14 were the age of majority in this debate my opinion would be the same, their body their choice if they want to sterilize or have any other procedure, I'd still want them to wait. In my opinion 25 is a good age for choices that alter hormone production, but I am not advocating it be a forced wait till then.


Ah ok, you were not discussing legal stuff, only personal desires. Sorry I thought you were supporting legally preventing them from being able to do so.
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Postby Zetaopalatopia » Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Zetaopalatopia wrote:
An opinion was asked and an opinion was given. I was just stating what I think. I have no intention on telling another what they can and can't do, just that I recommend they wait. The question I answered had no reference to whether or not the individual was considered an adult or not. I just used 18 as that was the age you gave me. If 16 or 14 were the age of majority in this debate my opinion would be the same, their body their choice if they want to sterilize or have any other procedure, I'd still want them to wait. In my opinion 25 is a good age for choices that alter hormone production, but I am not advocating it be a forced wait till then.


Ah ok, you were not discussing legal stuff, only personal desires. Sorry I thought you were supporting legally preventing them from being able to do so.


No harm no foul. But yea, 95% of the time on this forum I am stating an opinion of what I think would be smart, not mandating that things have to be that way or telling others what to do. My ideals are live and let live more or less. Mostly so others let me live with my less than common (Or liked) opinions....
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:18 pm

The American Psychological Association, the largest psych organization in the world counting over 157,000 members, has released a policy statement supporting access to gender-affirming care and denouncing conversion therapy and falsehoods about trans care.
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Postby Nacrad » Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:40 pm

Read it during lunch time. Couldn't be more happy that there's *someone in an authority figure out there* that supports trans people like myself. Like, recently, the stuff that's happening in Africa and US and to some extent the West in general has just been dragging me way down.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:29 am

Zetaopalatopia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Why, they are an adult. That is the entire reason the age of majority exists. Why is it that those who are 18 can go to war, but they cannot decide what they do with their own bodies? You are the one suggesting limiting adults in their own medical decisions. Are you saying you don't feel that strongly about the third?


An opinion was asked and an opinion was given. I was just stating what I think. I have no intention on telling another what they can and can't do, just that I recommend they wait. The question I answered had no reference to whether or not the individual was considered an adult or not. I just used 18 as that was the age you gave me. If 16 or 14 were the age of majority in this debate my opinion would be the same, their body their choice if they want to sterilize or have any other procedure, I'd still want them to wait. In my opinion 25 is a good age for choices that alter hormone production, but I am not advocating it be a forced wait till then.


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Postby Mandicoria » Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:28 pm

damn feels like a long time ago i posted here about going on hrt. before abandoning site again. feel like its only natural to pop up randomly again, prolly to nobody caring but fuck it. more than a full year on the estradiol and spiro, with progesterone added in the mix.

its been a wild ride, and you know what transitioning was the best thing to happen in my life. trust the process my sisters, brothers, siblings, and non siblings we shall all make it. <3

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Postby New Temecula » Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:54 am

Hello, all of my trans peeps! <3

Although I am not trans, there was always this curiousity I had about transgender people. Thus, I shall ask a question I've been meaning to ask since forever.

If it is appropriate to ask, what motivates people to identify as transgender? It's just something that I, as a sexually-uneducated straight man, could never understand. Thus, I went here to finally seek an answer and perhaps question myself. <(•v°)>
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Postby Cessarea » Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:17 am

New Temecula wrote:Hello, all of my trans peeps! <3

Although I am not trans, there was always this curiousity I had about transgender people. Thus, I shall ask a question I've been meaning to ask since forever.

If it is appropriate to ask, what motivates people to identify as transgender? It's just something that I, as a sexually-uneducated straight man, could never understand. Thus, I went here to finally seek an answer and perhaps question myself. <(•v°)>

It's tough to answer this because there are as many trans experiences as there are trans people - each individual perceived their "transness" differently. I think that it's fair to say that if you seek to understand what motuvates trans people to be that way, though, you have to look at your own cisgender identity.

Think about how you feel and express your own gender. The people who you idealise. The people you want to be. The clothes you want to wear, the name you want to adopt, the way you to be called. All this comes naturally to you because you are cisgender, and unless you adopt some form of gender nonconformity all that will be culturally provided to you. A trans person has no such privilege. We have to fight for our identity: we fight for our pronouns, we fight for our clothing, we fight for our heroes and idols.

I think that it's almost impossible for a cisgender person to fully understand what being trans "feels like", as that'd be like asking what a person with a penis imagines having a vagina feels like. They're different worlds, different ways of interacting with and perceiving reality. Because of this, it's important to separate the fight for trans rights from the ability for you to understand what being trans even is.

What matters is that we're humans that need space and help to develop our identities, a bit more so than other humans. We have special needs due to our condition in society, but that's it. All we ask for is empathy and recognition, not understanding.

Again: each trans person is different. This is just my way of describing things, and of analysing this issue.
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