Trans Discussion Thread: Catgirls Don't Need Litterboxes

[Kowani]

If someone had tried to take blood sample from me in high school to determine if I could play rugby then I would have spit in their face.

It's fucking high school sports. Who gives a shit?

The girls who filed this suit

https://www.wnpr.org/post/judge-hears-a ... r-athletes

someone should tell them about Mack Beggs

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

God just sink this besotted state already. Let the ocean have it.

[Neanderthaland]

They are kids. We are adults.

Perhaps we should just chill out and let the kids compete. Again, it's high school sports. Who gives a shit about it?

Just to point out, if you are an athlete going for a athletic scholarship, particularly if you are poor and it’s the only way you get to go college, how you perform in high school sports is very very important.

I don’t know if that applies to the girls who filed the lawsuit in question, but performance in high school sports can be very important to the rest of your life in certain contexts.

It seems more like THAT is the problem though.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying if we're looking for a problem to fix, maybe it would be better to deal with that.

[Galloism]

Just to point out, if you are an athlete going for a athletic scholarship, particularly if you are poor and it’s the only way you get to go college, how you perform in high school sports is very very important.

I don’t know if that applies to the girls who filed the lawsuit in question, but performance in high school sports can be very important to the rest of your life in certain contexts.

That's a problem with the US as a whole though.

Just to point out, if you are an athlete going for a athletic scholarship, particularly if you are poor and it’s the only way you get to go college, how you perform in high school sports is very very important.

I don’t know if that applies to the girls who filed the lawsuit in question, but performance in high school sports can be very important to the rest of your life in certain contexts.

It seems more like THAT is the problem though.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying if we're looking for a problem to fix, maybe it would be better to deal with that.

Something something free college.

But yes, it is important to the athletes in our current context. We probably ought to do something about that.

[Mercatus]

God just sink this besotted state already. Let the ocean have it.

Where would we get Florida Man headlines then?

[Galloism]

The girls who filed this suit

https://www.wnpr.org/post/judge-hears-a ... r-athletes

someone should tell them about Mack Beggs

Trans men actually usually compete very well and fairly against cis men, interestingly.

Testosterone is a hell of a drug.

[Neanderthaland]

God just sink this besotted state already. Let the ocean have it.

Where would we get Florida Man headlines then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida,_Ohio

[Free Ravensburg]

Where would we get Florida Man headlines then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida,_Ohio

Maybe that’s where all the real Florida men are

[Galloism]

Where would we get Florida Man headlines then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida,_Ohio

Sink Florida, and Floridians will just move into your state.

[Neanderthaland]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida,_Ohio

Sink Florida, and Floridians will just move into your state.

Maybe we need to build a wall...

[Fartsniffage]

Sink Florida, and Floridians will just move into your state.

Maybe we need to build a wall...

All you need is a rabbit with a large saw....

[Major-Tom]

I was looking (and hoping to find) some nuance to this, but...there really isn't any. It does allow for genital inspections, no question about it. Jesus Christ, what a disaster.

[Neanderthaland]

I was looking (and hoping to find) some nuance to this, but...there really isn't any. It does allow for genital inspections, no question about it. Jesus Christ, what a disaster.

Expect no less from Gaetz's state.

[Ethel mermania]

I was looking (and hoping to find) some nuance to this, but...there really isn't any. It does allow for genital inspections, no question about it. Jesus Christ, what a disaster.

Expect no less from Gaetz's state.

The south east part really isn't that bad

[Neanderthaland]

Expect no less from Gaetz's state.

The south east part really isn't that bad

Figures the guy who advocates for Dexter style blood sample filing would tell me to spare Miami.

[Heloin]

Expect no less from Gaetz's state.

The south east part really isn't that bad

That's only because the Panhandle and Orlando area is so much worse.

[Ethel mermania]

The south east part really isn't that bad

Figures the guy who advocates for Dexter style blood sample filing would tell me to spare Miami.

The Cuban food is better

I am not completely advocating for it, I was just throwing it out there as a less humiliating option, test all competitors for ped's, or just take their word for it would also be less targeted

[Ethel mermania]

The south east part really isn't that bad

That's only because the Panhandle and Orlando area is so much worse.

I have done work in Tallahassee and Jacksonville, South east is far superior.

Full disclosure: lots of family Miami - Lauderdale area

[Ifreann]

Florida Lawmakers Pass Bill That Legalizes Teen Genital Inspections

The Florida House of Representatives passed a bill that bans trans student athletes from playing in the sport of the gender and legalizes genital inspections when someone has determined an athelete's gender is in question. The House’s “Fairness in Women’s Sports Act” limits sports at most educational facilities to biological sex, permits genital inspections of transgender female student athletes when a challenge is filed, and provides protections for schools and students who follow the proposed law and legal recourse for those who feel wronged when the law is violated. The Republican-dominated lower chamber of the House passed HB 1475 on a 77 to 40 vote, which will now be reconciled with a similar Senate version of the legislation. Critics decried the legislation as discriminatory, and called out Republicans who claimed recent election victories in the state gave them a mandate to discriminate.

“I find it interesting that we want to resolve claims about human rights by referring to the outcomes of elections,” Florida State Representative Omari Hardy said in a fiery speech on the house floor.

The bill decrees that participation in team sports at nearly all educational facilities in the state be “designated on the basis of students' biological sex” rather than gender. Teams would be limited to men’s, women’s, and coed or mixed.

Genital inspections for trans women and girls are specifically approved in the bill to resolve some disputes regarding the biological sex of a student-athlete. The bill provides three means of determining the eligibility of a challenged student-athlete. The first is a physical inspection of the “reproductive anatomy,” the second a test of the “genetic makeup,” and the third providing proof of the “normal endogenously produced testosterone levels.”

The proposed legislation provides legal cover to institutions who choose to follow the law, and provides legal recourse in civil court to students who feel they have been “deprived of an athletic opportunity” or suffered “direct or indirect harm” from violations of the proposed law. Students will also be able to sue in civil court if they feel they have been retaliated against for reporting possible violations of the law.

The bill’s text states its intent is to “maintain opportunities for female athletes to demonstrate their skill, strength, and athletic abilities while also providing them with opportunities to obtain recognition and accolades, college scholarships, and the numerous other long term benefits that result from success in athletic endeavors and to promote sex equality by requiring the designation of separate sex-specific athletic teams or sports.” The bill does not account for those who would use the legislation as a scare tactic, brandishing it not only against trans atheletes, but also cis athletes.

Passage of the transphobic bill passage could threaten national collegiate sports in the state. The NCAA recently released a statement saying they “continue to closely monitor” states considering legislation targeting trans students, and warned that passage of any such bills could result in pulling NCAA championship events from their states.

“When determining where championships are held, NCAA policy directs that only locations where hosts can commit to providing an environment that is safe, healthy and free of discrimination should be selected,” the statement read.

So yeah, apparently the Republican politicians of Florida hate trans people so much they'll legalize sexually abusing teenagers. Which, to be fair, is in line with how most transphobic policy ends up playing out in real life.

Is this policy at all reasonable? Is preventing trans women from participating in women's sports (i.e. an incredibly rare and generally harmless occurrence) worth violating the privacy and dignity of minors?

It's only a matter of time before some total piece of shit decides to question the gender of the entire opposing team in the hopes of making a few of them quit the sport rather than pull down their pants for the coach. And once one of them does it, another team will do it back. Before long all school sports in Florida will have mandatory genital inspections at the start of every season. To protect the children, you see.

And will it even just be the teen students? I thought I read that amendments to exempt elementary and middle schools from these laws were defeated. Though, so many states are pursuing laws like this, I could easily have been reading about some other state.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Florida Lawmakers Pass Bill That Legalizes Teen Genital Inspections

The Florida House of Representatives passed a bill that bans trans student athletes from playing in the sport of the gender and legalizes genital inspections when someone has determined an athelete's gender is in question. The House’s “Fairness in Women’s Sports Act” limits sports at most educational facilities to biological sex, permits genital inspections of transgender female student athletes when a challenge is filed, and provides protections for schools and students who follow the proposed law and legal recourse for those who feel wronged when the law is violated. The Republican-dominated lower chamber of the House passed HB 1475 on a 77 to 40 vote, which will now be reconciled with a similar Senate version of the legislation. Critics decried the legislation as discriminatory, and called out Republicans who claimed recent election victories in the state gave them a mandate to discriminate.

“I find it interesting that we want to resolve claims about human rights by referring to the outcomes of elections,” Florida State Representative Omari Hardy said in a fiery speech on the house floor.

The bill decrees that participation in team sports at nearly all educational facilities in the state be “designated on the basis of students' biological sex” rather than gender. Teams would be limited to men’s, women’s, and coed or mixed.

Genital inspections for trans women and girls are specifically approved in the bill to resolve some disputes regarding the biological sex of a student-athlete. The bill provides three means of determining the eligibility of a challenged student-athlete. The first is a physical inspection of the “reproductive anatomy,” the second a test of the “genetic makeup,” and the third providing proof of the “normal endogenously produced testosterone levels.”

The proposed legislation provides legal cover to institutions who choose to follow the law, and provides legal recourse in civil court to students who feel they have been “deprived of an athletic opportunity” or suffered “direct or indirect harm” from violations of the proposed law. Students will also be able to sue in civil court if they feel they have been retaliated against for reporting possible violations of the law.

The bill’s text states its intent is to “maintain opportunities for female athletes to demonstrate their skill, strength, and athletic abilities while also providing them with opportunities to obtain recognition and accolades, college scholarships, and the numerous other long term benefits that result from success in athletic endeavors and to promote sex equality by requiring the designation of separate sex-specific athletic teams or sports.” The bill does not account for those who would use the legislation as a scare tactic, brandishing it not only against trans atheletes, but also cis athletes.

Passage of the transphobic bill passage could threaten national collegiate sports in the state. The NCAA recently released a statement saying they “continue to closely monitor” states considering legislation targeting trans students, and warned that passage of any such bills could result in pulling NCAA championship events from their states.

“When determining where championships are held, NCAA policy directs that only locations where hosts can commit to providing an environment that is safe, healthy and free of discrimination should be selected,” the statement read.

So yeah, apparently the Republican politicians of Florida hate trans people so much they'll legalize sexually abusing teenagers. Which, to be fair, is in line with how most transphobic policy ends up playing out in real life.

Is this policy at all reasonable? Is preventing trans women from participating in women's sports (i.e. an incredibly rare and generally harmless occurrence) worth violating the privacy and dignity of minors?

It's only a matter of time before some total piece of shit decides to question the gender of the entire opposing team in the hopes of making a few of them quit the sport rather than pull down their pants for the coach. And once one of them does it, another team will do it back. Before long all school sports in Florida will have mandatory genital inspections at the start of every season. To protect the children, you see.

And will it even just be the teen students? I thought I read that amendments to exempt elementary and middle schools from these laws were defeated. Though, so many states are pursuing laws like this, I could easily have been reading about some other state.

This is so disgusting. I can't believe Florida thought this was a good idea.

[Ifreann]

It's only a matter of time before some total piece of shit decides to question the gender of the entire opposing team in the hopes of making a few of them quit the sport rather than pull down their pants for the coach. And once one of them does it, another team will do it back. Before long all school sports in Florida will have mandatory genital inspections at the start of every season. To protect the children, you see.

And will it even just be the teen students? I thought I read that amendments to exempt elementary and middle schools from these laws were defeated. Though, so many states are pursuing laws like this, I could easily have been reading about some other state.

This is so disgusting. I can't believe Florida thought this was a good idea.

The point of these laws is to make it so absolutely horrible to be transgender that no one ever leaves the closet. The cruelty, as they say, is the point.

[Punished UMN]

Culture wars rotting the brain? Say it isn't so!

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

It's only a matter of time before some total piece of shit decides to question the gender of the entire opposing team in the hopes of making a few of them quit the sport rather than pull down their pants for the coach. And once one of them does it, another team will do it back. Before long all school sports in Florida will have mandatory genital inspections at the start of every season. To protect the children, you see.

And will it even just be the teen students? I thought I read that amendments to exempt elementary and middle schools from these laws were defeated. Though, so many states are pursuing laws like this, I could easily have been reading about some other state.

This is so disgusting. I can't believe Florida thought this was a good idea.

You expected the party that defends pedophile rapists to know better?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

This is so disgusting. I can't believe Florida thought this was a good idea.

The point of these laws is to make it so absolutely horrible to be transgender that no one ever leaves the closet. The cruelty, as they say, is the point.

They're willing to traumatize children just to own transgender people. Talk about depraved and sick shit.

[Katganistan]

The point of these laws is to make it so absolutely horrible to be transgender that no one ever leaves the closet. The cruelty, as they say, is the point.

They're willing to traumatize children just to own transgender people. Talk about depraved and sick shit.

There should be a lawsuit. I can't think of ANY other instance in which it is legal to inspect anyone's privates, outside of a urology/.gynecological appointment. And certainly NOT against their will.