More Americans Identify as LGBT than ever before

[Palmyrion]

This. Humans are social animals and therefore our identity is always in contrast to other people. If one identifies as X then one should accept that there are certain expectations to said label.

Right. But the widely accepted definition of the label homosexual is not a person who engages in homosexual sex, but a person who is attracted to the same sex. Thus, simply by being attracted to the same sex one lives up the the label of homosexual.

You want to do an argumentum ad dictionarium, you can be my guest.

Then live out being gay if you are gay!

What, you're going to suppress your sexuality? LOL

You're not part of the gay club then.

You're being incredibly dismissive of people who don't engage in homosexual sex but identify as gay. Some people fear for their lives. Some people might be physically incapable. Some people can't find someone willing to engage with them.

Not to mention, homosexuality is widely accepted to be attraction, not action. Why should everyone bend over backwards to fit YOUR definition of gay?

And some are self hating "gays" who are going full celibate in the name of some religion that calls them to suppress their sexuality because it's immoral.

[Ainland]

And some are self hating "gays" who are going full celibate in the name of some religion that calls them to suppress their sexuality because it's immoral.

Seems a bit judgemental. What's it to you if some people don't have sex as much as, or as often as, or in the way, you think they should? Not sure we can fairly say that are "self hating" just because they behave in a different way. Surely it's a private matter. And plenty of people make various different sacrifices in the name of their faith, or indeed other reasons. So what?

[The New California Republic]

The only way that's going to happen is if we ensure that Wooldoor Sockbat's Giggle-Wiggle Funny Tickle Non-Traditional Progressive Multicultural Roundtable TV show gets made for real.

Or we could use the 5G towers

No, that show is the only way to ensure the Gay Future.

[Ifreann]

The only way that's going to happen is if we ensure that Wooldoor Sockbat's Giggle-Wiggle Funny Tickle Non-Traditional Progressive Multicultural Roundtable TV show gets made for real.

Or we could use the 5G towers

Turns out the G stands for Gay. 5 Gay, the highest level of gay.

[Atheris]

And some are self hating "gays" who are going full celibate in the name of some religion that calls them to suppress their sexuality because it's immoral.

And some gays are people who can't have sex. And some are people who dislike sex. And some are people who don't feel sexual attraction.

[Countesia]

Cool!

Doesn't affect me at all.

In the nicest sense possible, I don't care. As long as you don't hurt anyone (non-consensually, of course)

[Loeje]

I suppose that's a good thing, but there are still problems and we shouldn't ignore that.

[San Lumen]

I suppose that's a good thing, but there are still problems and we shouldn't ignore that.

I agree. There is still discrimination as well as a rise in hate crimes.

[Palmyrion]

And some are self hating "gays" who are going full celibate in the name of some religion that calls them to suppress their sexuality because it's immoral.

Seems a bit judgemental. What's it to you if some people don't have sex as much as, or as often as, or in the way, you think they should? Not sure we can fairly say that are "self hating" just because they behave in a different way. Surely it's a private matter. And plenty of people make various different sacrifices in the name of their faith, or indeed other reasons. So what?

What you can call judgemental, I can call objective.

Your faith literally tells you to suppress your sexuality. And our predominant tradconservative groups here in PH - groups founded by tradcon youth during the Pandemic that aren't gaining much traction - are telling everyone to reject LGBT anything and telling LGBT people that their sexuality - a fundamental, immutable part of their identity - is abominable and must be changed.

You are literally invalidating my experiences in the shithole I call the Philippines, and my experience in dumpster fire diving.

[Kannap]

No, not really.

Also, homosexuality is not haram. Homosexuals relationships and intercourse are. People who engage in the aforementioned activities aren’t denied Janah if they’re good people who
a) have not heard of Islam
b) have been misled about Islam
c) had no chance to convert to Islam

God in Islam is ar-Rahman and ar-Rahim. Given Islamically speaking most people who go to hell will eventually be moved into heaven (because God wants most people in heaven), I would imagine gay people who were accurately informed about the faith but chose not to follow it or who practiced Islam but engaged in the two activities without repenting would be among those eventually taken to heaven, if they would even be punished at all.

>"homosexuality isn't haram"
>"homo relationships and intercourse are"

pick one, because logically you can't have both. You are not gay if you don't have gay sex; what, you're a journalist who doesn't do journalist things? A reporter who doesn't report?

I'm gay and I don't have sex.

[Ainland]

You are literally invalidating my experiences in the shithole I call the Philippines.

What nonsense. I'm simply pointing out that it's judgemental to characterise people as "self-hating" because they don't have sex as often as you think they should. Or because they make sacrifices in their life, for one reason or another.

[Caribbean Confederation]

>"homosexuality isn't haram"
>"homo relationships and intercourse are"

pick one, because logically you can't have both. You are not gay if you don't have gay sex; what, you're a journalist who doesn't do journalist things? A reporter who doesn't report?

I'm gay and I don't have sex.

It's less about whether you do have sex and more about whether you can tbh, and under most interpretations of Islamic jurisprudence, you're not allowed to.

[Saiwania]

It is quite a travesty that the culture wars were lost by Conservatives to such an extent as to get to this point. I'm not sure how this can be rolled back, but perhaps it can be in due time.

[San Lumen]

It is quite a tavesty that the culture wars were lost by Conservatives to such an extent as to get to this point. I'm not sure how this can be rolled back, but perhaps it can be in due time.

Its not a travesty nor is it getting rolled back. What do you propose?

[Kannap]

I'm gay and I don't have sex.

It's less about whether you do have sex and more about whether you can tbh, and under most interpretations of Islamic jurisprudence, you're not allowed to.

I'm not talking about Islam. Palmyrion made an asinine claim that you're not gay if you don't have gay sex.

[Atheris]

You are literally invalidating my experiences in the shithole I call the Philippines.

What nonsense. I'm simply pointing out that it's judgemental to characterise people as "self-hating" because they don't have sex as often as you think they should. Or because they make sacrifices in their life, for one reason or another.

I mean, I hate myself and I don't have sex, but that's not the point. /j

[Saiwania]

Its not a travesty nor is it getting rolled back. What do you propose?

I propose that there be no sex changes and that only men or women exist. With rigid and set gender roles from birth. People who aren't straight should be free to do as they want in private, provided it is sufficiently closeted.

[San Lumen]

Its not a travesty nor is it getting rolled back. What do you propose?

I propose that there be no sex changes and that only men or women exist. With rigid and set gender roles from birth.

You have no right to tell someone what do with their body. Why should they have to be closeted?

[Utopian States of America]

I propose that there be no sex changes and that only men or women exist. With rigid and set gender roles from birth.

You have no right to tell someone what do with their body. Why should they have to be closeted?

Because trans people are literally the fall of the western civilisation

/s

[Palmyrion]

You have no right to tell someone what do with their body. Why should they have to be closeted?

Because trans people are literally the fall of the western civilisation

/s

You had me at the first half ngl

It is quite a travesty that the culture wars were lost by Conservatives to such an extent as to get to this point. I'm not sure how this can be rolled back, but perhaps it can be in due time.

TRADCONS MAD

[Alcala-Cordel]

Its not a travesty nor is it getting rolled back. What do you propose?

I propose that there be no sex changes and that only men or women exist. With rigid and set gender roles from birth. People who aren't straight should be free to do as they want in private, provided it is sufficiently closeted.

I propose not doing that

[The New California Republic]

I propose that there be no sex changes and that only men or women exist. With rigid and set gender roles from birth. People who aren't straight should be free to do as they want in private, provided it is sufficiently closeted.

Lol no.

[Loeje]

I suppose that's a good thing, but there are still problems and we shouldn't ignore that.

I agree. There is still discrimination as well as a rise in hate crimes.

And we need to do something about that.

Its not a travesty nor is it getting rolled back. What do you propose?

I propose that there be no sex changes and that only men or women exist. With rigid and set gender roles from birth. People who aren't straight should be free to do as they want in private, provided it is sufficiently closeted.

No.

[Kowani]

I propose that there be no sex changes and that only men or women exist. With rigid and set gender roles from birth.

You have no right to tell someone what do with their body. Why should they have to be closeted?

He’s a Nazi
Why is this not understood

[Dresderstan]

You have no right to tell someone what do with their body. Why should they have to be closeted?

He’s a Nazi
Why is this not understood

I'd tell you but I'm not in the mood for red text.