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Postby American Pere Housh » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:While I sympathize with claims that it's barbaric and such things there are some animals it's necessary for. Wild hogs devastate crops and property if left unchecked.


aren't there other ways to prevent that without killing them?

Tell me, do know what damage a wild hog can do to a person or property? They are a nuisance plus they are a feral species.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:39 pm

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Punished UMN wrote:The state allows hunting for conservation purposes, not just because it's fun. Also most hunters do eat what they kill or at least give it to other people to eat, as not doing so is illegal in most places.


I dont care. Its a travesty to shoot a wild animal causing no harm to you and this was not done for food. There is no reason to hunt wolves or any other wild animal. Let them be.

Well is it "harm to me" if the wolves are threatening my livestock? Because I've killed coyotes who've threatened by livestock. Is that a travesty to you too?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:40 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
aren't there other ways to prevent that without killing them?

Tell me, do know what damage a wild hog can do to a person or property? They are a nuisance plus they are a feral species.

surely there are others means to control them than killing them?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:41 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:While I sympathize with claims that it's barbaric and such things there are some animals it's necessary for. Wild hogs devastate crops and property if left unchecked.

Well that has a distinct purpose besides hunting for fun. That's population control, protecting crops, human livelihoods.


Clearly you haven't seen people who hunt them from helicopters with machine guns :p
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:41 pm

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American Pere Housh wrote:Tell me, do know what damage a wild hog can do to a person or property? They are a nuisance plus they are a feral species.

surely there are others means to control them than killing them?

Let's say we tranquilize them. Now what? Deposit them somewhere else and let the hog damage and threaten other people and other properties? Keep it captive?
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:41 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
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Yeah, they had a hell of a time wiping out mad cow disease in the UK, and for years would not let anyone who had been in areas that had had the disease donate blood. In fact, the ban went into effect in the 1980s and was not lifted until October 2019....

In Canada we still have restrictions on people donating blood from the UK, W. Europe, and Saudi Arabia because of that period.


Given it's a disease that is always fatal and causes dementia, depression, etc. as the person succumbs to it and is transmissible in blood/blood products -- yeah, that's a reasonable precaution.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:41 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:surely there are others means to control them than killing them?

Let's say we tranquilize them. Now what? Deposit them somewhere else and let the hog damage and threaten other people and other properties? Keep it captive?


Humans aren't the only species on the planet.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Well that has a distinct purpose besides hunting for fun. That's population control, protecting crops, human livelihoods.


Clearly you haven't seen people who hunt them from helicopters with machine guns :p

Oh I've seen those. And generally, those helicopter hunters are still doing it for a good reason.
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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:Tell me, do know what damage a wild hog can do to a person or property? They are a nuisance plus they are a feral species.

surely there are others means to control them than killing them?

Nope. Even though there is free reign on hunting them it's still ultimately a losing battle because there are so many of them and they breed like rabbits.
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:While I sympathize with claims that it's barbaric and such things there are some animals it's necessary for. Wild hogs devastate crops and property if left unchecked.


And they are not afraid of humans and freaking dangerous, too.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Let's say we tranquilize them. Now what? Deposit them somewhere else and let the hog damage and threaten other people and other properties? Keep it captive?


Humans aren't the only species on the planet.

I know. Unlike APH, I am not advocating killing hogs just cuz they're hogs. Any action against them should be due to the risk they pose to people or property.
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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:43 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Well that has a distinct purpose besides hunting for fun. That's population control, protecting crops, human livelihoods.


Clearly you haven't seen people who hunt them from helicopters with machine guns :p

And then setting the music to Bird is the Word like it's Conflict Baconam.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:44 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Clearly you haven't seen people who hunt them from helicopters with machine guns :p

And then setting the music to Bird is the Word like it's Conflict Baconam.

The people who play Fortunate Son while doing it... smh.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:44 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I dont care. Its a travesty to shoot a wild animal causing no harm to you and this was not done for food. There is no reason to hunt wolves or any other wild animal. Let them be.

Well is it "harm to me" if the wolves are threatening my livestock? Because I've killed coyotes who've threatened by livestock. Is that a travesty to you too?

San Lumen, a person has the right to defend his property. If I had livestock and wolves were killing them, I would have no choice but to kill the wolves.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:44 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Humans aren't the only species on the planet.

I know. Unlike APH, I am not advocating killing hogs just cuz they're hogs. Any action against them should be due to the risk they pose to people or property.


Ok that's a fair point.

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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:44 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Humans aren't the only species on the planet.

I know. Unlike APH, I am not advocating killing hogs just cuz they're hogs. Any action against them should be due to the risk they pose to people or property.

Hogs wouldn't extend you the same mercy.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:44 pm

Justifiable barbecue. People are too civilized.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:44 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Well is it "harm to me" if the wolves are threatening my livestock? Because I've killed coyotes who've threatened by livestock. Is that a travesty to you too?

San Lumen, a person has the right to defend his property. If I had livestock and wolves were killing them, I would have no choice but to kill the wolves.

You responded to the wrong person :p
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:45 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:While I sympathize with claims that it's barbaric and such things there are some animals it's necessary for. Wild hogs devastate crops and property if left unchecked.


And they are not afraid of humans and freaking dangerous, too.


Extremely so. A wild hog can fuck your day up, they're a lot stronger than people imagine.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:46 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I know. Unlike APH, I am not advocating killing hogs just cuz they're hogs. Any action against them should be due to the risk they pose to people or property.

Hogs wouldn't extend you the same mercy.

I like to pretend I have a sense of morality, even it's made-up and all. I hunt for my meat because I don't want to support animals being tortured in industrial meat factories. I am a pacifist in that sense. Needless killing is needless killing.
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Postby Katganistan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:46 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I dont care. Its a travesty to shoot a wild animal causing no harm to you and this was not done for food. There is no reason to hunt wolves or any other wild animal. Let them be.

I see no reason to hunt wolves in North America since there have been no instances of wolves purposely hunting people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_w ... th_America

Um, actually, there are. They're rare, but they do happen.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:47 pm

Katganistan wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:I see no reason to hunt wolves in North America since there have been no instances of wolves purposely hunting people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_w ... th_America

iirc Coyotes are much more dangerous, in the sense that they attack humans more, right?
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:47 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Hogs wouldn't extend you the same mercy.

I like to pretend I have a sense of morality, even it's made-up and all. I hunt for my meat because I don't want to support animals being tortured in industrial meat factories. I am a pacifist in that sense. Needless killing is needless killing.

Hogs don't care about morality, they would kill you or I just for fun. They're a menace to society.
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Postby Disgraces » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:47 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I know. Unlike APH, I am not advocating killing hogs just cuz they're hogs. Any action against them should be due to the risk they pose to people or property.

Hogs wouldn't extend you the same mercy.

Because they're wild animals, maybe?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:48 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I like to pretend I have a sense of morality, even it's made-up and all. I hunt for my meat because I don't want to support animals being tortured in industrial meat factories. I am a pacifist in that sense. Needless killing is needless killing.

Hogs don't care about morality, they would kill you or I just for fun. They're a menace to society.

And when they try to attack me or someone around me I'm shooting them.
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