Yes but i'm not against Homosexual people
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by Novokria » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:03 am
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:04 am
by Caraani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:06 am
Punished UMN wrote:Caraani wrote:The fact that they're legal constructs doesn't make them any less valid. The rest of the world doesn't exist in a vacuum. Countries cannot pretend to be modern and developed when they adopt the technologies necessary to be developed but maintain ideologies from the Bronze Age. Our advancement isn't in a vacuum either. As we urbanised and made technological advancements we understood that things like infanticide, rape, slavery are wrong. Slavery was wrong any time, all the time, it's just that some parts of the world stopped justifying it before others. At that point slavery didn't stop being wrong only in those parts of the world, it continued to be wrong everywhere. Likewise, if the Western World now understands that homosexuals should be left to live like the tax-paying citizens that they are, that doesn't mean that only in the West is it ok to be gay, but in other parts of the world it is still ok to stone gays. It's wrong here, and it's wrong there. They just have to catch up.
So by what mechanism do we "discover" these objectively existing rights? Morality is not and never will be a science.
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:06 am
by Novokria » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:07 am
by Caraani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:08 am
by Grenartia » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:08 am
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:09 am
by Istoreya » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:09 am
by Imperial Kaiserreich Germany » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:09 am
Molither wrote:Nope. I could never see it as justifiable to discriminate against people like me or view me less based on our sexuality.
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by Caraani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:10 am
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:10 am
by Punished UMN » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:10 am
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:11 am
Istoreya wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:We treat the handicapped differently, we are not against them.
This is nothing to do with it. We treat handicapped people differently because they require it. A person in a wheelchair cannot use stairs, we must treat them differently to provide them with the same opportunities as able-bodied people. There is no way you can reasonably apply that to this situation. Gay people have no 'need' to be denied the right to marry?
by Punished UMN » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:11 am
Caraani wrote:Punished UMN wrote:So by what mechanism do we "discover" these objectively existing rights? Morality is not and never will be a science.
We "discover" them by the same mechanism that made us gather in large vertical blocks of concrete where we either sleep on soft beds or sit in such an unnatural manner to the point it literally messes up with our bodies - on chairs, staring into squares that emit light and typing away virtual letters on websites. It isn't that it is objectively existing, we have created and adapted to this way of living that we define as modern; and in it, we don't need men to die at the age of 20 in wars, women to breed and pump out more future soldiers for tribal conquests, and we don't need to kill gays because of what they're doing. We have adapted our morality to our way of life.
by Istoreya » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:12 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Istoreya wrote:This is nothing to do with it. We treat handicapped people differently because they require it. A person in a wheelchair cannot use stairs, we must treat them differently to provide them with the same opportunities as able-bodied people. There is no way you can reasonably apply that to this situation. Gay people have no 'need' to be denied the right to marry?
The statement was if we treat people differently we must be against them. I disagree with that. We also treat the young and elderly differently. I am ok with that too, and I like kids and old people.
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:12 am
by Caraani » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:12 am
by Novokria » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:12 am
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:14 am
Istoreya wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
The statement was if we treat people differently we must be against them. I disagree with that. We also treat the young and elderly differently. I am ok with that too, and I like kids and old people.
It's nothing to do with treating people differently. It's to do with denying people equal opportunities.
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:14 am
by Punished UMN » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:14 am
Caraani wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Yes. I support it mind you, but I am a westerner.
I personally don't think so - but if it is, then I'm all for actively imposing it on other parts of the world. Some ideas simply are better than others, and your >insert adjective of culture, region or country here< intolerance isn't even remotely equal to my, apparently European tolerance. We don't need to tolerate intolerance.
by San Lumen » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:15 am
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