Can Homophobia Be Justified?

[Novokria]

No you can not hate the Homosexuals because they are your fellow Humans God does not teach hatred against your fellow Humans he teaches Salvation for all.


We most work for God not against him.

Your signature says you are against gay marriage...

Yes but i'm not against Homosexual people

[Ifreann]

Your signature says you are against gay marriage...

Yes but i'm not against Homosexual people

If you want people treated unequally in society, you are against them.

[Istoreya]

Your signature says you are against gay marriage...

Yes but i'm not against Homosexual people

You are against gay people having the same rights that straight people have, therefore you are against them as you do not believe them to be deserving of civil rights.

[Caraani]

The fact that they're legal constructs doesn't make them any less valid. The rest of the world doesn't exist in a vacuum. Countries cannot pretend to be modern and developed when they adopt the technologies necessary to be developed but maintain ideologies from the Bronze Age. Our advancement isn't in a vacuum either. As we urbanised and made technological advancements we understood that things like infanticide, rape, slavery are wrong. Slavery was wrong any time, all the time, it's just that some parts of the world stopped justifying it before others. At that point slavery didn't stop being wrong only in those parts of the world, it continued to be wrong everywhere. Likewise, if the Western World now understands that homosexuals should be left to live like the tax-paying citizens that they are, that doesn't mean that only in the West is it ok to be gay, but in other parts of the world it is still ok to stone gays. It's wrong here, and it's wrong there. They just have to catch up.

So by what mechanism do we "discover" these objectively existing rights? Morality is not and never will be a science.

We "discover" them by the same mechanism that made us gather in large vertical blocks of concrete where we either sleep on soft beds or sit in such an unnatural manner to the point it literally messes up with our bodies - on chairs, staring into squares that emit light and typing away virtual letters on websites. It isn't that it is objectively existing, we have created and adapted to this way of living that we define as modern; and in it, we don't need men to die at the age of 20 in wars, women to breed and pump out more future soldiers for tribal conquests, and we don't need to kill gays because of what they're doing. We have adapted our morality to our way of life.

[Ethel mermania]

Yes but i'm not against Homosexual people

If you want people treated unequally in society, you are against them.

We treat the handicapped differently, we are not against them.

[Novokria]

Yes but i'm not against Homosexual people

If you want people treated unequally in society, you are against them.

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman this is not to be Changed we can give Homosexuals respect and tolerance but we should not work against God

[Caraani]

Human rights aren't "western thought" - and the sooner some parts of the world understand this the faster we can move on from a Eurocentric world.

As soon as the rest of the world adopts European standards of thought we can move on from a eurocentric world?

Is the idea of women being allowed to control their own bodies, vote and work an European standard?

[Grenartia]

Are human rights different based on a person's location?

Certainly, because they're social constructs.

Guess that means slavery is A-OK if you live in a place where the local shitheads in charge think owning people is really swell.

[Ethel mermania]

As soon as the rest of the world adopts European standards of thought we can move on from a eurocentric world?

Is the idea of women being allowed to control their own bodies, vote and work an European standard?

Yes. I support it mind you, but I am a westerner.

[Istoreya]

If you want people treated unequally in society, you are against them.

We treat the handicapped differently, we are not against them.

This is nothing to do with it. We treat handicapped people differently because they require it. A person in a wheelchair cannot use stairs, we must treat them differently to provide them with the same opportunities as able-bodied people. There is no way you can reasonably apply that to this situation. Gay people have no 'need' to be denied the right to marry?

[Imperial Kaiserreich Germany]

Nope. I could never see it as justifiable to discriminate against people like me or view me less based on our sexuality.

Agreed. Burn them at the stake

[Istoreya]

If you want people treated unequally in society, you are against them.

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman this is not to be Changed we can give Homosexuals respect and tolerance but we should not work against God

Yeah, you see the problem with that is not everyone believes in God and your beliefs should not impact how other people live their lives.

[Caraani]

If you want people treated unequally in society, you are against them.

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman this is not to be Changed we can give Homosexuals respect and tolerance but we should not work against God

Those are some majestic mental gymnastics. You do know that civil unions exist, don't you?

[Ifreann]

If you want people treated unequally in society, you are against them.

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman this is not to be Changed we can give Homosexuals respect and tolerance but we should not work against God

It is homophobic to want to deny gay people equality in society, regardless of why you want to do that.

[Punished UMN]

Certainly, because they're social constructs.

Guess that means slavery is A-OK if you live in a place where the local shitheads in charge think owning people is really swell.

I would say it's morally wrong but that doesn't mean anybody will do anything about it.

[Ethel mermania]

We treat the handicapped differently, we are not against them.

This is nothing to do with it. We treat handicapped people differently because they require it. A person in a wheelchair cannot use stairs, we must treat them differently to provide them with the same opportunities as able-bodied people. There is no way you can reasonably apply that to this situation. Gay people have no 'need' to be denied the right to marry?

The statement was if we treat people differently we must be against them. I disagree with that. We also treat the young and elderly differently. I am ok with that too, and I like kids and old people.

[Punished UMN]

So by what mechanism do we "discover" these objectively existing rights? Morality is not and never will be a science.

We "discover" them by the same mechanism that made us gather in large vertical blocks of concrete where we either sleep on soft beds or sit in such an unnatural manner to the point it literally messes up with our bodies - on chairs, staring into squares that emit light and typing away virtual letters on websites. It isn't that it is objectively existing, we have created and adapted to this way of living that we define as modern; and in it, we don't need men to die at the age of 20 in wars, women to breed and pump out more future soldiers for tribal conquests, and we don't need to kill gays because of what they're doing. We have adapted our morality to our way of life.

This is just you having failed to make the is/ought distinction.

[Istoreya]

This is nothing to do with it. We treat handicapped people differently because they require it. A person in a wheelchair cannot use stairs, we must treat them differently to provide them with the same opportunities as able-bodied people. There is no way you can reasonably apply that to this situation. Gay people have no 'need' to be denied the right to marry?

The statement was if we treat people differently we must be against them. I disagree with that. We also treat the young and elderly differently. I am ok with that too, and I like kids and old people.

It's nothing to do with treating people differently. It's to do with denying people equal opportunities.

[Ethel mermania]

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman this is not to be Changed we can give Homosexuals respect and tolerance but we should not work against God

Those are some majestic mental gymnastics. You do know that civil unions exist, don't you?

105 years ago we would have been the weirdos advocating gay marriage.

[Caraani]

Is the idea of women being allowed to control their own bodies, vote and work an European standard?

Yes. I support it mind you, but I am a westerner.

I personally don't think so - but if it is, then I'm all for actively imposing it on other parts of the world. Some ideas simply are better than others, and your >insert adjective of culture, region or country here< intolerance isn't even remotely equal to my, apparently European tolerance. We don't need to tolerate intolerance.

[Novokria]

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman this is not to be Changed we can give Homosexuals respect and tolerance but we should not work against God

Those are some majestic mental gymnastics. You do know that civil unions exist, don't you?

Yes i support civil unions but it should not be called a Marriage and should definitely not happen in a Church.

[Ethel mermania]

The statement was if we treat people differently we must be against them. I disagree with that. We also treat the young and elderly differently. I am ok with that too, and I like kids and old people.

It's nothing to do with treating people differently. It's to do with denying people equal opportunities.

We deny children the right to marriage, the right to vote, the right to sign a contract.

[Ifreann]

Those are some majestic mental gymnastics. You do know that civil unions exist, don't you?

Yes i support civil unions but it should not be called a Marriage and should definitely not happen in a Church.

Tough shit, they are called marriage and they happen wherever the people involved want.

[Punished UMN]

Yes. I support it mind you, but I am a westerner.

I personally don't think so - but if it is, then I'm all for actively imposing it on other parts of the world. Some ideas simply are better than others, and your >insert adjective of culture, region or country here< intolerance isn't even remotely equal to my, apparently European tolerance. We don't need to tolerate intolerance.

And this is why the movement is failing.

[San Lumen]

Those are some majestic mental gymnastics. You do know that civil unions exist, don't you?

Yes i support civil unions but it should not be called a Marriage and should definitely not happen in a Church.

Who are you to make that decision? Why shouldnt it be called a marriage or be allowed to happen in a church? Religious institutions have the right to refuse same sex marriage.