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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:38 am

Day 3 of wondering what is and isn't woke.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Day 3 of wondering what is and isn't woke.

I can not figure it out either, I thought it was a new age thing TBH.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:40 am

Like is it stupid to say only whites can be racist? Yes, and it's stupid to say men can't be victims of sexual assault. But saying that racism exists is just being honest. So what is woke? Is acknowledging that white supremacy exists woke or does one have to hate whites in general to count as woke? Where's the borderline?
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:44 am

French intellectuals have always felt threatened by US culture. They fear being overwhelmed by superior numbers of (as they see it) inferior culture.

The "American Woke Left" should be very gratified by this. Woke is not fake, signal leftism if even France is worried by it. Viva la Revolution!
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A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:French intellectuals have always felt threatened by US culture. They fear being overwhelmed by superior numbers of (as they see it) inferior culture.

Ironic, their culture produced a racist that inspired the Nazis and the Jim Crow South. Not very nobler than the "inferior" Americans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:51 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
This is happening right now in France. Where Trump failed to decisively curtail leftist insanity, Macron may yet succeed.


Exactly. Trump gave reactionary ideas a bad name as it was easy to reject it as part of trumpism or being a Trump supporter, whereas Macron comes from a more centrist position (in some ways more left than Biden) and says 'Muslims shouldn't create separatism and segregation in French society'.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:58 am

Picairn wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:French intellectuals have always felt threatened by US culture. They fear being overwhelmed by superior numbers of (as they see it) inferior culture.

Ironic, their culture produced a racist that inspired the Nazis and the Jim Crow South. Not very nobler than the "inferior" Americans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau


Arthur was a weird guy. Thought the southern French were racially inferior and claimed middle eastern people were allegedly messed up cause they were a mix of white, black and asian.
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Picairn wrote:
A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:French intellectuals have always felt threatened by US culture. They fear being overwhelmed by superior numbers of (as they see it) inferior culture.

Ironic, their culture produced a racist that inspired the Nazis and the Jim Crow South. Not very nobler than the "inferior" Americans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau


Seriously. That's your refutation of "French intellectuals have always felt threatened by US culture"?

I said "(as they see it) inferior" and you thought I said "inferior"?

If you disagree with my obvious generalization, then disagree. Picking at me with "here's one exception" gets you no further than this .
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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:07 am

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A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:French intellectuals have always felt threatened by US culture. They fear being overwhelmed by superior numbers of (as they see it) inferior culture.

Ironic, their culture produced a racist that inspired the Nazis and the Jim Crow South. Not very nobler than the "inferior" Americans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau

most people in the 19th century were racists
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Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:
Picairn wrote:Ironic, their culture produced a racist that inspired the Nazis and the Jim Crow South. Not very nobler than the "inferior" Americans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau

most people in the 19th century were racists


People who believed in full racial equality were seen as radical back then. This also was back during the time of scientific racism which was widespread in Europe, especially among the "Nordicists" like Gobineau who thought the nords were either the purest group of whites and therefore superior or a separate race altogether from the southern Europeans and therefore superior.
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Postby Picairn » Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:52 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:Seriously. That's your refutation of "French intellectuals have always felt threatened by US culture"?

I said "(as they see it) inferior" and you thought I said "inferior"?

If you disagree with my obvious generalization, then disagree. Picking at me with "here's one exception" gets you no further than this .

Wait, what? I wasn't disagreeing with you.
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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:The American media portrayed Macron as some sort of woke progressive like Ardern back in 2017, and Americans generally have the impression that Europeans are "woker," but if you know anything about Macron’s policies and the overton window of French politics in general, it shouldn’t be a surprise. France is one of the countries I respect the most because everyone in the country from all sides of politics are generally nationalists, which is why politicians won’t put their political party before the country. We saw this during Erdogan’s attacks on Macron, where even his biggest political opponents like Le Pen came to his defense because, he is after all, the president of France

Americans often don’t realize how obsessed we are with race and gender and how much people in the rest of the world just don’t care about this stuff. Not saying idpol is an American thing, it definitely exists in many places, but the fixation for American people and politicians on race issues is fairly unique to the US. One might say that’s a result of a history of slavery, but another American country with a history of African slavery, Brazil, doesn’t have this issue to nearly the same extent
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Day 3 of wondering what is and isn't woke.

"woke" originally meant being aware of racism, but eventually it was hijacked by CRT and Melanin Theory nuts and became a catch-all term for "SJWs"
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:18 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Day 3 of wondering what is and isn't woke.


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Postby Destyntine » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:40 am

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Day 3 of wondering what is and isn't woke.

I can not figure it out either, I thought it was a new age thing TBH.

The 'woke' left is a term given to the the mass gatherings of SJWs demanding something in the name of racial inequity, gender equity, or 3rd wave feminism. The woke left often uses cancel culture, the act of mass slandering on social media to attack people, corporations, media, or specific ideological groups that do not give in to their beliefs or demands. The woke left is a new age thing, most prevalent in America.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Day 3 of wondering what is and isn't woke.


Feminism, CRT, and anti-nation frameworks.


What if you're against all nations? And feminism isn't all that woke if by feminism you mean "women should have the rights men do." Third wave feminism probably does count though. Second wave is eeeeeeh.
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North Rosmana wrote:I can not figure it out either, I thought it was a new age thing TBH.

The 'woke' left is a term given to the the mass gatherings of SJWs demanding something in the name of racial inequity, gender equity, or 3rd wave feminism. The woke left often uses cancel culture, the act of mass slandering on social media to attack people, corporations, media, or specific ideological groups that do not give in to their beliefs or demands. The woke left is a new age thing, most prevalent in America.


Tbh are they really leftists? When someone says something like "all black people whether rich or poor, young or old, male or female, need to come together and fight against the white man," that sounds an awful alot more fascist than communist. I would argue that the worst of identity politics types are actually far right and not far left. The whole idea of original fascism after all was replacing the class dichotomy with the nation or race dichotomy, and isn't that what the worst of the so called woke crowd do? I just don't see what is left wing about these types. For me being leftwing was always about abolishing the current capitalist system, not "white people need to make space for black people cause you're racist."
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France has been lost since the late 1700s. I don't envy President Macron.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:47 am

Sundiata wrote:France has been lost since the late 1700s. I don't envy President Macron.


You mean when they threw out the king? It was all in the name of Liberty and while mistakes were made along the way, the French revolution was a good thing.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Destyntine wrote:The 'woke' left is a term given to the the mass gatherings of SJWs demanding something in the name of racial inequity, gender equity, or 3rd wave feminism. The woke left often uses cancel culture, the act of mass slandering on social media to attack people, corporations, media, or specific ideological groups that do not give in to their beliefs or demands. The woke left is a new age thing, most prevalent in America.


Tbh are they really leftists? When someone says something like "all black people whether rich or poor, young or old, male or female, need to come together and fight against the white man," that sounds an awful alot more fascist than communist. I would argue that the worst of identity politics types are actually far right and not far left. The whole idea of original fascism after all was replacing the class dichotomy with the nation or race dichotomy, and isn't that what the worst of the so called woke crowd do? I just don't see what is left wing about these types. For me being leftwing was always about abolishing the current capitalist system, not "white people need to make space for black people cause you're racist."

I think by "leftists" they mean progressives
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Sundiata wrote:France has been lost since the late 1700s. I don't envy President Macron.

Monarchism fucking sucks actually
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Arcturus Novus wrote:
Sundiata wrote:France has been lost since the late 1700s. I don't envy President Macron.

Monarchism fucking sucks actually


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Postby Destyntine » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:56 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Destyntine wrote:The 'woke' left is a term given to the the mass gatherings of SJWs demanding something in the name of racial inequity, gender equity, or 3rd wave feminism. The woke left often uses cancel culture, the act of mass slandering on social media to attack people, corporations, media, or specific ideological groups that do not give in to their beliefs or demands. The woke left is a new age thing, most prevalent in America.


Tbh are they really leftists? When someone says something like "all black people whether rich or poor, young or old, male or female, need to come together and fight against the white man," that sounds an awful alot more fascist than communist. I would argue that the worst of identity politics types are actually far right and not far left. The whole idea of original fascism after all was replacing the class dichotomy with the nation or race dichotomy, and isn't that what the worst of the so called woke crowd do? I just don't see what is left wing about these types. For me being leftwing was always about abolishing the current capitalist system, not "white people need to make space for black people cause you're racist."


I'd say they are a mix of both, antifa is an anarchist organization and yet they fight along side BLM which appears to be a strong mix of social lefties following the trend and anti-white fascists. The trend seems to also be hitting western Europe, with France, England, and of course Sweden.

I agree with you though, I lean slightly to the left and yet my focus tends to be on balancing the wealth gaps and protecting our environment. I believe racial equality has already been achieved.
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Postby An-Tanwir » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:59 am

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Getting called out for being bigoted isnt "woke cancel culture", its called "consequences for your actions". Shape up or ship out.

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Postby Royal Frankia » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:01 am

Kudos, the wokers are trying to gut Classical education which is the heart of Western civ. There's no reason to remove such works as the Odyssey or The Scarlet Letter from schools. There's even an attempt to claim figures such as Marcus Aurelius or Saint Louis are white supremacists.

It's a soft version of what Mao did, in my opinion, to Classical Chinese heritage and sites.

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