American Politics III: New President, Same Old Country

[New haven america]

A doctor from Biden's administration allegedly tried to shake hands with a marine. The marine didn't talk or respond, and now they're painting the marine as the bad guy even though protocol states that marines can't interact while on duty.

Well you also said that Canada and Texas were suing the US government and I have yet to find a source on that...

So who are they and who said they can't interact on duty?

[Nejii]

I’m just telling you what I see and hear. I’m aware that neither are what you would call hardline authoritarian Marxist nations, but I’ve been in various arguments with pro-socialism leftists and when demanded an example they point to Scandinavia. Of course I’m surely incorrect, completely unaware of my own personal interaction.

Well why would you repeat such a wrong statement?
Surely you should have stipulated in your original comment that "some socialist have said they are", but you didn't, and that's there are a few people correcting you now.

the Nordic Countries do have a perfect example of a mixed-market economy though.

I wasn’t talking about you...

That's thoughtful, I guess...

I’ve heard Norway called capitalist, I’ve heard it called socialist, I’ve heard it called mixed.

Better examples of Marxist countries are Cuba, Soviet Russia (obviously), and North Korea.
Then again, it was argued against me a few weeks here that none of those countries are even close to Marxist.

[Kowani]

tchau tchau, xa'al

[Herador]

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tchau tchau, xa'al

RIP in peace pillow man

[Celritannia]

Well why would you repeat such a wrong statement?
Surely you should have stipulated in your original comment that "some socialist have said they are", but you didn't, and that's there are a few people correcting you now.

the Nordic Countries do have a perfect example of a mixed-market economy though.



That's thoughtful, I guess...

I’ve heard Norway called capitalist, I’ve heard it called socialist, I’ve heard it called mixed.

Better examples of Marxist countries are Cuba, Soviet Russia (obviously), and North Korea.
Then again, it was argued against me a few weeks here that none of those countries are even close to Marxist.

IIRC, Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos, are the remaining few.

Even then, Both Laos and Vietnam have become more State Capitalist, following China's example in recent years.

[Nejii]

I’ve heard Norway called capitalist, I’ve heard it called socialist, I’ve heard it called mixed.

Better examples of Marxist countries are Cuba, Soviet Russia (obviously), and North Korea.
Then again, it was argued against me a few weeks here that none of those countries are even close to Marxist.

IIRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, are the remaining few.

Even then, Vietnam has become more State Capitalist in recent years.

Not NK?

And yes I had heard about Vietnam swaying towards capitalism. Which surprised me actually.

[New haven america]

IIRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, are the remaining few.

Even then, Vietnam has become more State Capitalist in recent years.

Not NK?

And yes I had heard about Vietnam swaying towards capitalism. Which surprised me actually.

NK renounced communism nd became Juche.

[Shrillland]

IIRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, are the remaining few.

Even then, Vietnam has become more State Capitalist in recent years.

Not NK?

And yes I had heard about Vietnam swaying towards capitalism. Which surprised me actually.

NK is basically just Juche Theocratic at this point, worship of the Kim family over any real principles.

[Nejii]

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

A doctor from Biden's administration allegedly tried to shake hands with a marine. The marine didn't talk or respond, and now they're painting the marine as the bad guy even though protocol states that marines can't interact while on duty.

Well you also said that Canada and Texas were suing the US government and I have yet to find a source on that...

So who are they and who said they can't interact on duty?

It sounds right to me. Unless the doctor outranked the marine, and even then they'd probably have to issue an order to shake hands.

[Celritannia]

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North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but none of that is true.

But I think we have strayed a little over the path than we needed to for this thread.

Suffice to say, when Americans say "socialism" they refer to mixed-economic principles, where countries have strong worker's rights, universal healthcare, welfare, and social policies.

[Shazbotdom]

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tchau tchau, xa'al

RIP in peace pillow man

So he was caught breaking their TOS. I wonder what he did or said.....lol

[Herador]

Well you also said that Canada and Texas were suing the US government and I have yet to find a source on that...

So who are they and who said they can't interact on duty?

It sounds right to me. Unless the doctor outranked the marine, and even then they'd probably have to issue an order to shake hands.

But did it happen?

[Nejii]

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North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but none of that is true.

But I think we have strayed a little over the path than we needed to for this thread.

Suffice to say, when Americans say "socialism" they refer to mixed-economic principles, where countries have strong worker's rights, universal healthcare, welfare, and social policies.

Well, as I said, American it can be argued has socialist policies. Welfare, SNAP, and state paid college tuition (well at least for me because I was unemployed at the time and went to a junior college). Many would say that these are socialist, a professor at my college called those “gimme’ programs”.

I said Marxist but when I think modern Norway or Sweden I think DS, which it is argued by some is Marxism. When someone actually says the term Marxist I think Soviet Russia, Cuba, Laos, and now formerly NK. (Though Juche it says is relatable to Marxism-Leninism.)

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

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You just won't drop it will you? Marxism =/= Marxism-Leninism.

[Nejii]

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You just won't drop it will you? Marxism =/= Marxism-Leninism.

‘‘Twas my final remark. There’s no need to get so ruffled up.

[Picairn]

Change is rarely good for capitalism.

There's a concept called "creative destruction", you know...

[San Lumen]

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tchau tchau, xa'al

I wonder if hes still going to run for governor now or maybe try to use being suspended as a way to reach out to the base?

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but none of that is true.

But I think we have strayed a little over the path than we needed to for this thread.

Suffice to say, when Americans say "socialism" they refer to mixed-economic principles, where countries have strong worker's rights, universal healthcare, welfare, and social policies.

Well, as I said, American it can be argued has socialist policies. Welfare, SNAP, and state paid college tuition (well at least for me because I was unemployed at the time and went to a junior college). Many would say that these are socialist, a professor at my college called those “gimme’ programs”.

It's time you moved on from whatever a barking-mad libertarian Professor told you. Using a slang insult towards something he/she doesn't agree with ideologically, is the kind of hackery which does not deserve an academic title.

Welfare is not socialism, and if you keep pretending it is, you will continue to fail to make any worthwhile points about either.

I said Marxist but when I think modern Norway or Sweden I think DS, which it is argued by some is Marxism.

Not by anyone with an ounce of sense. Schools of thought which voluntarily adopt different names, are generally different from each other.

When someone actually says the term Marxist I think Soviet Russia, Cuba, Laos, and now formerly NK.

They didn't even call themselves Marxist. Perhaps because Lenin (for one) actually read Marx.

[San Lumen]

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/biden-feels ... -by-summer

Biden feels confident U.S. will be ‘well on our way’ to herd immunity by summer

[Eahland]

North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but none of that is true.

The "Korea" part is accurate, which at least puts them one up on the Holy Roman Empire.

[Nejii]

Well, as I said, American it can be argued has socialist policies. Welfare, SNAP, and state paid college tuition (well at least for me because I was unemployed at the time and went to a junior college). Many would say that these are socialist, a professor at my college called those “gimme’ programs”.

It's time you moved on from whatever a barking-mad libertarian Professor told you. Using a slang insult towards something he/she doesn't agree with ideologically, is the kind of hackery which does not deserve an academic title.

Welfare is not socialism, and if you keep pretending it is, you will continue to fail to make any worthwhile points about either.

I said Marxist but when I think modern Norway or Sweden I think DS, which it is argued by some is Marxism.

Not by anyone with an ounce of sense. Schools of thought which voluntarily adopt different names, are generally different from each other.

When someone actually says the term Marxist I think Soviet Russia, Cuba, Laos, and now formerly NK.

They didn't even call themselves Marxist. Perhaps because Lenin (for one) actually read Marx.

Himar lsel,

I didn’t actually say I believe him did I? Nor did I elude to that. I was making a moot point.

Secondly, this whole “you make no good points, you have no sense” rave your on is made on limited interaction with me. It’s rather typical really, I disagree with something your riding on hard and you can’t handle it. Stereotyping an individual based on limited interaction is ignorant and weak. Do better.

Thirdly, stay out of my telegram inbox.

This exchange is over.

[Postauthoritarian America]

McConnell says he'll move forward with power sharing agreement, after public commitments from both Manchin and Sinema on the filibuster

Back in the day a couple Republican senators publicly confirmed they would not move forward with any Supreme Court nominees if it was too close to another presidential election. Elections have consequences. McConnell is not majority leader, Schumer is. A majority of one is a majority. And what goes around, comes around.

[Picairn]

I find it both hilarious and saddening at the same time that there are people who still think welfare is socialism, when it was first implemented by an ultra-right wing monarchist to stomp out the influence of socialist parties, and Marx criticized this early form of social democracy in his Critique of the Gotha Program as "revisionist" and "ineffective".

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

It's time you moved on from whatever a barking-mad libertarian Professor told you. Using a slang insult towards something he/she doesn't agree with ideologically, is the kind of hackery which does not deserve an academic title.

Welfare is not socialism, and if you keep pretending it is, you will continue to fail to make any worthwhile points about either.



Not by anyone with an ounce of sense. Schools of thought which voluntarily adopt different names, are generally different from each other.



They didn't even call themselves Marxist. Perhaps because Lenin (for one) actually read Marx.

Himar lsel,

I didn’t actually say I believe him did I? Nor did I elude to that. I was making a moot point.

"Moot" is rather apt in this case. You said something you'd prefer I pretend wasn't even there.

Secondly, this whole “you make no good points” rave your on is made on limited interaction with me. It’s rather typical really, I disagree with something your riding on hard and you can’t handle it. Stereotyping an individual based on limited interaction is ignorant and weak. Do better.

This exchange is over.

I've read a lot of your stuff. Sometimes I even agree. "Limited interaction" would likely be because I bear a grudge for you reporting me (for something not even involving you) so I've held off replying until you're really blatantly in the wrong. Which today you were.

This exchange is over, OK, providing you can muster the willpower to let me have the last word.