German Politics I: Turn Left at the Traffic Light

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

77% of CDU/CSU voters say Laschet was the wrong choice, defections from the party growing

I looked up the poll noted in the article, but I couldn't find it anywhere. I did find a lot of CDU/CSU being split at the moment, but nowhere could I find that poll. Also the article bases the first part of the newspaper "Bild" which is sadly not always reliable.

Please give me a source for the poll, thank you in advance.

[San Lumen]

77% of CDU/CSU voters say Laschet was the wrong choice, defections from the party growing

It’s looking increasingly likely they are going to be trounced in September

[Shrillland]

77% of CDU/CSU voters say Laschet was the wrong choice, defections from the party growing

I looked up the poll noted in the article, but I couldn't find it anywhere. I did find a lot of CDU/CSU being split at the moment, but nowhere could I find that poll. Also the article bases the first part of the newspaper "Bild" which is sadly not always reliable.

Please give me a source for the poll, thank you in advance.

Well, here's the Der Spiegel story about it, they conducted it with Civey. They say the full info will be released sometime next week, possibly tomorrow with the Sunday Question: https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/armin-laschet-grosse-mehrheit-unter-unionsanhaengern-haelt-ihn-fuer-den-falschen-kandidaten-a-4fcfe874-ee9e-4d53-b05d-75a5b2610b2e

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

I looked up the poll noted in the article, but I couldn't find it anywhere. I did find a lot of CDU/CSU being split at the moment, but nowhere could I find that poll. Also the article bases the first part of the newspaper "Bild" which is sadly not always reliable.

Please give me a source for the poll, thank you in advance.

Well, here's the Der Spiegel story about it, they conducted it with Civey. They say the full info will be released sometime next week, possibly tomorrow with the Sunday Question: https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/armin-laschet-grosse-mehrheit-unter-unionsanhaengern-haelt-ihn-fuer-den-falschen-kandidaten-a-4fcfe874-ee9e-4d53-b05d-75a5b2610b2e

Thanks, I'll read the article then

[The Huskar Social Union]

Found it interesting how the German Greens are described as being very hawkish when it comes to things like human rights and relations with powers like China and Russia, and is also quite pro NATO too.

From what ive read online that is so take it with a pinch of salt and if any germans want to correct me go ahead

[The Blaatschapen]

Found it interesting how the German Greens are described as being very hawkish when it comes to things like human rights and relations with powers like China and Russia, and is also quite pro NATO too.

From what ive read online that is so take it with a pinch of salt and if any germans want to correct me go ahead

What do you mean with regards to being hawkish with human rights?

I can't see the hawk term in that context.

I do like it being pro NATO.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Found it interesting how the German Greens are described as being very hawkish when it comes to things like human rights and relations with powers like China and Russia, and is also quite pro NATO too.

From what ive read online that is so take it with a pinch of salt and if any germans want to correct me go ahead

What do you mean with regards to being hawkish with human rights?

I can't see the hawk term in that context.

I do like it being pro NATO.

Hawkish is probably the wrong term to use for it. Ive seen a lot of folk saying online that the German Green party is very very critical of China and Russia for their actions against Dissenters and the Uighurs (more so than other german parties supposedly) and that one of the more prominent people from the party seems to be an MEP called Reinhard Butivoker (sp?) who ive seen people say is a huge critic of the Chinese Government

Though again this is just what ive picked up in random discussions online so could be completely wrong or am misremembering things.

[Nakena]

What are the chances of a traffic-light coalition v. CDU/CSU-Greens(and SPD maybe)?

Here on NS or in Germany.

If the former, because we've lots of Americans, for whom everything left of the CDU are basically commies.

If the latter, dissatisfaction with the perceived establishment.

Funny enough that nobody likes the FDP in both places it seems.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

What are the chances of a traffic-light coalition v. CDU/CSU-Greens(and SPD maybe)?

Here on NS or in Germany.

If the former, because we've lots of Americans, for whom everything left of the CDU are basically commies.

If the latter, dissatisfaction with the perceived establishment.

For being all commies, they're doing amazingly well in this thread's poll.

Just look at Die Linke, 21%. Jeez, they'd dream of results like these in the actual elections.

[Novostia]

Just look at Die Linke, 21%. Jeez, they'd dream of results like these in the actual elections.

Well, You do realize this is the internet. More Specifically NS, The community is very Left Wing, Even though the Far Left tries to claim they are in the minority

[Kowani]

For the first time, the CDU and the Greens are tied

[Shrillland]

On top of that, the newest polls in Sachsen-Anhalt, which is just over a month away, are finally in, and the CDU's slumping there too.

They're still in the lead, but it's down to 26% from 30%, with FDP and AfD gaining most of the balance. Greens are mostly taking votes from Die Linke.

In the other states voting this year, Greens now have a clear 9-point lead in Berlin with SPD falling to a close third behind CDU.

[Shrillland]

On the campaign this week: Scholz was making his case for an SPD-led government

Laschet is vowing carbon neutrality by 2050

[Shrillland]

Of all the dumb things to start a fight over....3,000 Greens members including several state legislators sign a petition requesting the word Germany be removed from the title of their manifesto

It's big enough that it will have to be debated at the federal party conference next month.

[Nakena]

Of all the dumb things to start a fight over....3,000 Greens members including several state legislators sign a petition requesting the word Germany be removed from the title of their manifesto

It's big enough that it will have to be debated at the federal party conference next month.

The Greens seem to be hellbend on loosing it seems.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Of all the dumb things to start a fight over....3,000 Greens members including several state legislators sign a petition requesting the word Germany be removed from the title of their manifesto

It's big enough that it will have to be debated at the federal party conference next month.

Thats fucking dumb

[The Blaatschapen]

Of all the dumb things to start a fight over....3,000 Greens members including several state legislators sign a petition requesting the word Germany be removed from the title of their manifesto

It's big enough that it will have to be debated at the federal party conference next month.

Thats fucking dumb

Given that they're hawkish, maybe it's their way of telling the neighbour countries that their manifesto will also soon apply to them

[Baltenstein]

What do you mean with regards to being hawkish with human rights?

I can't see the hawk term in that context.

I do like it being pro NATO.

Hawkish is probably the wrong term to use for it. Ive seen a lot of folk saying online that the German Green party is very very critical of China and Russia for their actions against Dissenters and the Uighurs (more so than other german parties supposedly) and that one of the more prominent people from the party seems to be an MEP called Reinhard Butivoker (sp?) who ive seen people say is a huge critic of the Chinese Government

Though again this is just what ive picked up in random discussions online so could be completely wrong or am misremembering things.

To their credit, the Greens can indeed be described as the German party that takes the most uncompromising and critical stance on human right abuses in countries like Russia, China and Turkey. The CDU and SPD tend show an appaling amount of leniency in that regard, for a variety of reasons, be it Russian gas deals, the exports of the German weapons industry, their Turkish-German (SPD) and Russian-German (CDU) voter bases, Azeri bribe money etc.
The Left and the AFD meanwhile are practically openly admiring authoritarian regimes, as long as they aren't Western-aligned.

Of course, how exactly the Greens plan to counter these players geopolitically when the party stance on defense policy largely revolves around unilateral disarmament is anyone's guess.

[Shrillland]

Another embarrassment for the Greens, though this time it's one they're going to fix: The popular and controversial Green Mayor of Tübingen, Baden-Wurttemburg, is set to be expelled from the party for using racial slurs in tweets

It's not going to be damaging for them since Palmer's always been something of a wild character within the Greens, the federal party's always been embarrassed of him anyway even though he was once seen as Chancellor material.

[Herzpunkt]

Just look at Die Linke, 21%. Jeez, they'd dream of results like these in the actual elections.

Well, You do realize this is the internet. More Specifically NS, The community is very Left Wing, Even though the Far Left tries to claim they are in the minority

facts

I'm only on here for the occassional thread or roleplay, it's hilariously leftist and so are the mods.

[San Lumen]

Of all the dumb things to start a fight over....3,000 Greens members including several state legislators sign a petition requesting the word Germany be removed from the title of their manifesto

It's big enough that it will have to be debated at the federal party conference next month.

What a way to blow a polling lead and make history as the first green party legislature in Europe.

[Herzpunkt]

Of all the dumb things to start a fight over....3,000 Greens members including several state legislators sign a petition requesting the word Germany be removed from the title of their manifesto

It's big enough that it will have to be debated at the federal party conference next month.

What a way to blow a polling lead and make history as the first green party legislature in Europe.

"At the heart of our politics are people in their dignity and freedom, not Germany"

lolz so basically "fuck ourselves" because as nice and hippy as this sounds, it's self-destructive.

[Arisyan]

Of all the dumb things to start a fight over....3,000 Greens members including several state legislators sign a petition requesting the word Germany be removed from the title of their manifesto

It's big enough that it will have to be debated at the federal party conference next month.

Damn, that's right up there with CDU keeping Laschet. What a way to shoot yourself in the foot.

[Herzpunkt]

Of all the dumb things to start a fight over....3,000 Greens members including several state legislators sign a petition requesting the word Germany be removed from the title of their manifesto

It's big enough that it will have to be debated at the federal party conference next month.

Damn, that's right up there with CDU keeping Laschet. What a way to shoot yourself in the foot.

or you know, Merkel literally throwing away her own nations flag on stage....

[San Lumen]

What a way to blow a polling lead and make history as the first green party legislature in Europe.

"At the heart of our politics are people in their dignity and freedom, not Germany"

lolz so basically "fuck ourselves" because as nice and hippy as this sounds, it's self-destructive.

Hopefully this forgotten by the fall. I want to see Merkel's party crushed at the polls.