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Postby Chan Island » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:00 am

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Well, they had a pretty good run during the Renaissance. Still corrupt and chaotic, but cultured as fuck.


There was still no single country called Italy at that time, though.


This must be hard under lined, because among those Italian states you could find an exception to every one of those adjectives at at least one point during the several hundred year period that term implies.

Some of the trading states like Venice, Florence and Genoa were famously clean for their time (standards were different but the thing they cared about back then was that their rulers honoured contracts- which they did).

Milan meanwhile was a military leader capable to organising to rebuff the Holy Roman Emperor and of staving off the plague, so certainly not chaotic.

Sadly, the south of Italy was for much of the period under extractive Spanish rule, who stole culture as well as just about everything else they could get their hands on.

And then there's the Papal States, who were often both corrupt, chaotic AND suspicious of culture.... depending on the time and specific pope.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:57 am

The crisis has been averted for now. The Chamber voted confidence on Monday, the Senate did the same yesterday, albeit without an absolute majority.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:27 pm

Shrillland wrote:The crisis has been averted for now. The Chamber voted confidence on Monday, the Senate did the same yesterday, albeit without an absolute majority.

Nope, it’s back: Prime minister Conte’s set to resign on Tuesday
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:35 pm

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Shrillland wrote:The crisis has been averted for now. The Chamber voted confidence on Monday, the Senate did the same yesterday, albeit without an absolute majority.

Nope, it’s back: Prime minister Conte’s set to resign on Tuesday


So next week, we either get a new coalition, or I have to write a new thread. Non cambiare mai, amata Italia. Non cambiare mai.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Shrillland wrote:The crisis has been averted for now. The Chamber voted confidence on Monday, the Senate did the same yesterday, albeit without an absolute majority.

Nope, it’s back: Prime minister Conte’s set to resign on Tuesday


Ah, that's disappointing. I thought he was doing a better job at, well, not letting shit totally hit the fan than other Italian PMs.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:41 pm

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How is he even still in office ?

He was secretary of PD when the candidates for the 2018 elections were decided. So he got to appoint the PD candidates.
He took for himself the Senate seat for his own hometown Rignano, and placed his most trusted people in "safe" seats. Then he took them with himself when he left the PD to form Italia Viva.
Let me tell ya, a good way to spot flawed democracy is when you end up with parties with vague names like "italia viva". Those are always personal political vehicles for 1 main persons ambition.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:48 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
There was still no single country called Italy at that time, though.


This must be hard under lined, because among those Italian states you could find an exception to every one of those adjectives at at least one point during the several hundred year period that term implies.

Some of the trading states like Venice, Florence and Genoa were famously clean for their time (standards were different but the thing they cared about back then was that their rulers honoured contracts- which they did).

Milan meanwhile was a military leader capable to organising to rebuff the Holy Roman Emperor and of staving off the plague, so certainly not chaotic.

Sadly, the south of Italy was for much of the period under extractive Spanish rule, who stole culture as well as just about everything else they could get their hands on.

And then there's the Papal States, who were often both corrupt, chaotic AND suspicious of culture.... depending on the time and specific pope.
Better to look at real high points in italian history, like Garibaldi kicking ass all over latin america only to return in order to invade southern italy with only like 1000 other guys.
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Postby No State Here » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:49 pm

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Ah, that's disappointing. I thought he was doing a better job at, well, not letting shit totally hit the fan than other Italian PMs.

Not a very high bar, technically the most stabilizing Italian PM was that bald guy…
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:52 pm

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Ah, that's disappointing. I thought he was doing a better job at, well, not letting shit totally hit the fan than other Italian PMs.

Not a very high bar, technically the most stabilizing Italian PM was that bald guy…

Oh, the guy who couldn't pronounce spaghetti?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:59 pm

This just broke, so there's very little, but it looks like another technocratic government: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italy-s-president-summons-draghi-as-likely-premier-designate/ar-BB1dkvCw?ocid=Peregrine
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Postby Risottia » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:16 pm

Kowani wrote:that's a lot of time with no government.

The previous cabinet stays in charge until a new cabinet is given confidence.

Anyway, since President Mattarella looks like about to appoint former BCE president Mario Draghi as PM, it is likely that the next cabinet will have to rely on an extremely unlikely coalition of M5S, PD, Renzi's Italia Viva and Berlusconi's Forza Italia.
Which, most likely, will end up in PD losing all the electoral credit they gathered in the last year and a half, all to the benefit of the right-wing alliance that Lega, FDI and Berlusconi will form at the next elections. Turns out that this was Renzi's gamble from the beginning.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:32 pm

Risottia wrote:
Kowani wrote:that's a lot of time with no government.

The previous cabinet stays in charge until a new cabinet is given confidence.


yes.
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^it goes without saying, majority has to be wider as said. we are here since there is no mojority otherwise. also _risottia, why do i feel you do not appreciate?

i’m also displeased for the occasion of conte no confidence vote. nevertheless, after all, the eunuchs you said about have been substantially ‘fired’ whatsoever.

i doubt ‘moderate’ coalition’s (the euphemism for the center-right half of the seats) sincere wish was an high profile cabinet.

i’m safe for the sharpness of president mattarella (the head of state, to understand for foreigners) step. i feel 60:40.

i mean, 60 chances partitocracy submits and accepts president’s guarantees cabinet, 40 chances they open fire and say no confidence for draghi.

also, being subdued to a unity government will hit reactionaries morale and their solidity very harshly. not all illness comes to wound.

they still whine monti’s cabinet, they sweat chill as ecb’s letter was signed draghi. confrontation is sweet, and their angry tears are my hot chamomile’s sugar.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:09 am

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So next week, we either get a new coalition, or I have to write a new thread. Non cambiare mai, amata Italia. Non cambiare mai.


Somewhere in Italy:
"how do we make Shrilland post a new thread on NSG?"
"we just do what we usually do with government collapses"
"ah, that requires no effort, pass the limoncello!"


Risottia wrote:
Kowani wrote:that's a lot of time with no government.

The previous cabinet stays in charge until a new cabinet is given confidence.

Anyway, since President Mattarella looks like about to appoint former BCE president Mario Draghi as PM, it is likely that the next cabinet will have to rely on an extremely unlikely coalition of M5S, PD, Renzi's Italia Viva and Berlusconi's Forza Italia.
Which, most likely, will end up in PD losing all the electoral credit they gathered in the last year and a half, all to the benefit of the right-wing alliance that Lega, FDI and Berlusconi will form at the next elections. Turns out that this was Renzi's gamble from the beginning.


Bunga Bunga's back!
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Postby Ittonia » Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:17 am

Shrillland wrote:This just broke, so there's very little, but it looks like another technocratic government: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italy-s-president-summons-draghi-as-likely-premier-designate/ar-BB1dkvCw?ocid=Peregrine


POV:you have been ruling the economy of 28 nations,been the head of also the Italian National Bank,had your signature on every Euro produced between 2011 and 2019.How much could you possibly care about becoming PM?
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:21 am

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So next week, we either get a new coalition, or I have to write a new thread. Non cambiare mai, amata Italia. Non cambiare mai.


Somewhere in Italy:
"how do we make Shrilland post a new thread on NSG?"
"we just do what we usually do with government collapses"
"ah, that requires no effort, pass the limoncello!"


Risottia wrote:The previous cabinet stays in charge until a new cabinet is given confidence.

Anyway, since President Mattarella looks like about to appoint former BCE president Mario Draghi as PM, it is likely that the next cabinet will have to rely on an extremely unlikely coalition of M5S, PD, Renzi's Italia Viva and Berlusconi's Forza Italia.
Which, most likely, will end up in PD losing all the electoral credit they gathered in the last year and a half, all to the benefit of the right-wing alliance that Lega, FDI and Berlusconi will form at the next elections. Turns out that this was Renzi's gamble from the beginning.


Bunga Bunga's back!



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Postby Phoenicaea » Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:15 am

_Shofercia, imbecile servant. how is czar, your putrid master, he gave you cookies? get curl out of here
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:48 am

Phoenicaea wrote:_Shofercia, imbecile servant. how is czar, your putrid master, he gave you cookies? get curl out of here


If you want to argue against my excellent point that Bunga-Bunga's returning to Italy's politics, (and the Italians are phenomenal dancers,) feel free to do so, but I'm not going to sink to the level of name calling. Attack the argument, not the person making it.
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Phoenicaea wrote:_Shofercia, imbecile servant. how is czar, your putrid master, he gave you cookies? get curl out of here


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Postby Risottia » Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:43 am

Shofercia wrote:Bunga Bunga's back!


Cucù!

Yeah, looks like Draghi will have no choice but to rely on Silvio's votes UNLESS the M5S suddenly start to support Draghi - after about ten years of telling him - I'll quote the nicest things - that he's a crook paid by reptilian bankers.
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:59 am

Risottia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Bunga Bunga's back!


Cucù!

Yeah, looks like Draghi will have no choice but to rely on Silvio's votes UNLESS the M5S suddenly start to support Draghi - after about ten years of telling him - I'll quote the nicest things - that he's a crook paid by reptilian bankers.


Awww, Italy's so romantic, even Italian politician insults are sexy :P

[Also a note to NSG: when Ris and I are saying Bunga Bunga or Cucu, we're not referring to Berlusconi the person, but rather to his party's style of leadership, (or as Ris would argue, we do disagree occasionally,) lack thereof. Murikan equivalent would be "tax and spend Democrats"]
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Postby Risottia » Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:14 am

Shofercia wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Cucù!

Yeah, looks like Draghi will have no choice but to rely on Silvio's votes UNLESS the M5S suddenly start to support Draghi - after about ten years of telling him - I'll quote the nicest things - that he's a crook paid by reptilian bankers.


Awww, Italy's so romantic, even Italian politician insults are sexy :P

[Also a note to NSG: when Ris and I are saying Bunga Bunga or Cucu, we're not referring to Berlusconi the person, but rather to his party's style of leadership, (or as Ris would argue, we do disagree occasionally,) lack thereof. Murikan equivalent would be "tax and spend Democrats"]


To be accurate, with "Cucù" I'm referring to a specific incident when Berlusconi hid himself from Merkel and then popped out saying "cucù", which is the Italian equivalent of saying "boo!" all of a sudden to surprise a child and make him laugh. :D

On a more serious note, PCM Conte has voiced his support for appointed PCM Draghi. Which makes more likely that at least a part of M5S will give confidence to Draghi. This means M5S risk a split over Draghi.

(PCM=Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri aka PM)
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:52 am

Risottia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Awww, Italy's so romantic, even Italian politician insults are sexy :P

[Also a note to NSG: when Ris and I are saying Bunga Bunga or Cucu, we're not referring to Berlusconi the person, but rather to his party's style of leadership, (or as Ris would argue, we do disagree occasionally,) lack thereof. Murikan equivalent would be "tax and spend Democrats"]


To be accurate, with "Cucù" I'm referring to a specific incident when Berlusconi hid himself from Merkel and then popped out saying "cucù", which is the Italian equivalent of saying "boo!" all of a sudden to surprise a child and make him laugh. :D

On a more serious note, PCM Conte has voiced his support for appointed PCM Draghi. Which makes more likely that at least a part of M5S will give confidence to Draghi. This means M5S risk a split over Draghi.

(PCM=Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri aka PM)


I wonder if Silvio has his Cocoa Puffs that morning, because that was a classic Cocoa Puffs move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZaVpv5p2CM
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Postby Risottia » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:10 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Risottia wrote:
To be accurate, with "Cucù" I'm referring to a specific incident when Berlusconi hid himself from Merkel and then popped out saying "cucù", which is the Italian equivalent of saying "boo!" all of a sudden to surprise a child and make him laugh. :D

On a more serious note, PCM Conte has voiced his support for appointed PCM Draghi. Which makes more likely that at least a part of M5S will give confidence to Draghi. This means M5S risk a split over Draghi.

(PCM=Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri aka PM)


I wonder if Silvio has his Cocoa Puffs that morning, because that was a classic Cocoa Puffs move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZaVpv5p2CM


Silvio and his cucù moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XECxNaNSHhU
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