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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:45 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:Trump’s disapproval graph has gone vertical, but somehow, still not the worst it’s been in his term yet.


Rasmussen is almost single-handedly keeping his average up.
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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:45 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
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But caning is humane to you?


Yes, if done properly and after a fair trial. Also, Michael Fay was a punk that deserved to be caned. I am happy that they didn't spare his butt from being caned just because he comes from a wealthy family. However, I think fewer strokes should be given. Three strokes is enough for most minor crimes. It is funny. Americans say caning is inhumane BUT prison rapes and beatings are acceptable because they are done by fellow convicts. Basically, many Americans want their hands clean and want other convicts to do the tough punishing for them which to me is much crueler.

Caning in Singapore

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Overall, I agree with Singapore on who can be caned. However, I think murderers should be allowed to be caned.

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However, in these cases, it isn’t as simple as a person breaking the law and then finding himself on the caning block. Rather there are certain stipulations and even exemptions. For instance, only males can be caned. Moreover said males, generally speaking, have to be between 18 and 50 years old, and also they must also be deemed healthy enough to receive the punishment (at the actual time of the caning) by a medical professional. If the criminal is under 18, the cane can only reach a certain prescribed level of thickness. And if he is under 16, he can only be sentenced to receive this punishment by Singapore’s highest courts. Moreover if a prisoner is on death row, he cannot be caned.

Who tf is saying that convicts deserve to be raped and beaten?
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:45 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:It is funny.


Nice to know you base your determination about criminal justice on what you find funny.

Americans say caning is inhumane BUT prison rapes and beatings are acceptable because they are done by fellow convicts.


Source that any Americans find prison rape or beatings acceptable? Or that these events are anywhere near as common as you appear to think they are?
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Postby Atheris » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:47 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:It is funny. Americans say caning is inhumane BUT prison rapes and beatings are acceptable because they are done by fellow convicts.

Nobody is fucking saying that. How dare you insinuate that the average American is fine with the system of violence (which isn't even that common to begin with) in the nation's prison systems. Disgusting.
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:49 pm

Atheris wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:It is funny. Americans say caning is inhumane BUT prison rapes and beatings are acceptable because they are done by fellow convicts.

Nobody is fucking saying that. How dare you insinuate that the average American is fine with the system of violence (which isn't even that common to begin with) in the nation's prison systems. Disgusting.

A lot of rightists in America will defend concentration camps.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:49 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:there is nothing humane about flogging and forced labour


Singapore canes people in a safe and humane way. They don't want to cause heart attacks by caning people. They are actually quite logical and careful.

Most people work 40-50 hours a week. Why should prisoners get to relax more than common non-prisoners? They need to be punished.


Singapore is not something to admire. I watched the cops run down a purse snatcher and beat the holy crap out of him. He had to be wheeled off......
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:50 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Atheris wrote:Nobody is fucking saying that. How dare you insinuate that the average American is fine with the system of violence (which isn't even that common to begin with) in the nation's prison systems. Disgusting.

A lot of rightists in America will defend concentration camps.


There are still many defenders of the internment camps as well......
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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:51 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Atheris wrote:Nobody is fucking saying that. How dare you insinuate that the average American is fine with the system of violence (which isn't even that common to begin with) in the nation's prison systems. Disgusting.

A lot of rightists in America will defend concentration camps.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:51 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Cordel One wrote:A lot of rightists in America will defend concentration camps.

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Trumpists certainly will.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:51 pm

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What's tyranny is being revolted against? Biden won a free and fair election as did the two senators from Georgia.

The People are scared becuse Biden is sourounded by left-wing radicals, who could easily abolish the 1st amendmen and take away our guns. Also there is an indication that he will open the borders, and constinue genocide on Americans.

We really dont know whether he won fair and square. There is no evidence for that.


Complete and utter rubbish. What evidence do you have for election fraud?

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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:52 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What's tyranny is being revolted against? Biden won a free and fair election as did the two senators from Georgia.

The People are scared becuse Biden is sourounded by left-wing radicals, who could easily abolish the 1st amendmen and take away our guns. Also there is an indication that he will open the borders, and constinue genocide on Americans.

We really dont know whether he won fair and square. There is no evidence for that.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:52 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Singapore canes people in a safe and humane way. They don't want to cause heart attacks by caning people. They are actually quite logical and careful.

Most people work 40-50 hours a week. Why should prisoners get to relax more than common non-prisoners? They need to be punished.


Singapore is not something to admire. I watched the cops run down a purse snatcher and beat the holy crap out of him. He had to be wheeled off......


Singapore is orderly and functional in an almost surreal and uncanny way, but at the cost of expression, many personal liberties, and a feeling of spontaneity and life among the populace. I've heard some horror stories.

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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:52 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Cordel One wrote:A lot of rightists in America will defend concentration camps.

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We don't need to doubt it. They already have done so when you look at how they feel about the separation policy and ICE detention centres.
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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:52 pm

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Trumpists certainly will.

It is an insult to the victims of the holocaust to call immigration detention centers concentration camps
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:53 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Trumpists certainly will.

It is an insult to the victims of the holocaust to call immigration detention centers concentration camps


Holocaust survivors disagree.
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Postby Esalia » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:53 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What's tyranny is being revolted against? Biden won a free and fair election as did the two senators from Georgia.

The People are scared becuse Biden is sourounded by left-wing radicals,


lol.

who could easily abolish the 1st amendmen and take away our guns.


I'm no constitution expert, but I'm pretty sure you can't "easily" abolish an amendment.

Also there is an indication that he will open the borders, and constinue genocide on Americans.


You don't know what genocide means, do you?

We really dont know whether he won fair and square. There is no evidence for that.


Aside from the complete and total lack of evidence that the election was rigged?
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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:53 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Trumpists certainly will.

It is an insult to the victims of the holocaust to call immigration detention centers concentration camps

Also immigration detention centers exist in almost every country
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:54 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What's tyranny is being revolted against? Biden won a free and fair election as did the two senators from Georgia.

The People are scared becuse Biden is sourounded by left-wing radicals, who could easily abolish the 1st amendmen and take away our guns. Also there is an indication that he will open the borders, and constinue genocide on Americans.

As a left-wing radical I wish he was surrounded by people like me instead of warmongering neocons. Also, the left doesn't want to "take your guns". You sure seem to love that victim complex though, you poor oppressed right-winger.

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We really dont know whether he won fair and square. There is no evidence for that.

There's no evidence against it, and the burden of proof is on you.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:55 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:It is an insult to the victims of the holocaust to call immigration detention centers concentration camps

Also immigration detention centers exist in almost every country


Yes, but ICE's brutality is fairly unique among nations.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:55 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:It is an insult to the victims of the holocaust to call immigration detention centers concentration camps

Also immigration detention centers exist in almost every country


So how does that make the Trump regime's approach to handling them OK?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:55 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Svehrvatska wrote:The People are scared becuse Biden is sourounded by left-wing radicals, who could easily abolish the 1st amendmen and take away our guns. Also there is an indication that he will open the borders, and constinue genocide on Americans.

As a left-wing radical I wish he was surrounded by people like me instead of warmongering neocons. Also, the left doesn't want to "take your guns".

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We really dont know whether he won fair and square. There is no evidence for that.

There's no evidence against it, and the burden of proof is on you.


What evidence do you have to they are warmongering neocons? Seems everyone whom you dont support automatically gets that label.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:56 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What's tyranny is being revolted against? Biden won a free and fair election as did the two senators from Georgia.

The People are scared becuse Biden is sourounded by left-wing radicals, who could easily abolish the 1st amendmen and take away our guns. Also there is an indication that he will open the borders, and constinue genocide on Americans.

We really dont know whether he won fair and square. There is no evidence for that.

No evidence besides, y’know, all the evidence that led every state in the union to certify their elections as accurate.
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