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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:00 am

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San Lumen wrote:https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/01/12/gov-larry-hogan-launches-maryland-redistricting-commission/

Gov. Larry Hogan Launches Maryland Redistricting Commission To Rebuild District Maps By 2022 Election via executive order.

Maryland is one of the most gerrymandered states in the country. Im not opposed at all to independent redistricting but I don't see how such an action is constitutional given the legislature is the one who draws the maps in Maryland.


tbh Larry Hogan is probably the best Republican state governor. Doesn't mean he's a good one, but I agree with more things he's done then other republican governors. Especially this.


I think its a great idea but I don't think its constitutional. You can't use an executive order to rewrite the state constitution. if one can then Evers in Wisconsin should do this as well.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:01 am

Foundhome Republic wrote:I feel the need to point out that high speed trains of all kinds, not just maglev systems, are used primarily on inter-city routes, not local commuter systems. Yes, there's one or two that run between airports and the downtown areas of large cities, but that is a single-purpose system, not intended for everyday commuter use. Maglev systems, like current high-speed rail systems, are meant to relieve regional air traffic and highway travel. At this, HSR is largely successful, with even rail-adverse American travelers making the Northeast Corridor of the national Amtrak system an attractive alternative.

In my personal opinion, having owned a car and driven to work my entire adult life... cars are misery. In the rural area where I live there is no hope, but if I could just sit and watch the world pass by outside my window as I cruise into the heart of a major city and then roll back out again with somebody else doing the work for me... well, get me that ticket, baby. If I could hop on a HSR and go see a ballgame after work at a city 90 miles away and be back before midnight? Yeah, sign me up.

HSRs are cool, but consider the humble elektrichka, comrade-- you won't be back before midnight, but you could ride practically for free from your rural area.
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Postby The Untied State » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:02 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
I can choose to socially distance myself from that person if he/she refuses to put out the cigarette when I politely ask (if it really bothers me). If the company allows smoking, I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies. Most companies were already trying a balance by having smoking sections to make both sides happy (because they want to maximize customers and pleasing both sides is to their benefit).

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

Climate change can only be stopped if the state takes full control of all industry and enforces extremely strict regulations while prioritizing nuclear energy and such sources above all else

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:02 am

San Lumen wrote:
Anatoliyanskiy wrote:
tbh Larry Hogan is probably the best Republican state governor. Doesn't mean he's a good one, but I agree with more things he's done then other republican governors. Especially this.


I think its a great idea but I don't think its constitutional. You can't use an executive order to rewrite the state constitution. if one can then Evers in Wisconsin should do this as well.

Um, why? Surely different states can have different procedures regarding the amendment of their constitution?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:03 am

Ifreann wrote:
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I think its a great idea but I don't think its constitutional. You can't use an executive order to rewrite the state constitution. if one can then Evers in Wisconsin should do this as well.

Um, why? Surely different states can have different procedures regarding the amendment of their constitution?


I doubt it can be done by executive order in any state. If it can what do you need a legislature for? The executive would be a king or queen in all but title.
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Postby Arisyan » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:07 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Um, why? Surely different states can have different procedures regarding the amendment of their constitution?


I doubt it can be done by executive order in any state. If it can what do you need a legislature for? The executive would be a king or queen in all but title.


but do you have proof of that claim? like did you read that section of the Maryland State Constitution?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:07 am



I doubt his approval rating will ever go up again.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:08 am

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it is insane that if you didn't know, you wouldn't be able to tell where the coup happened on that chart lol


...what? There's clearly a sharp decline after January 7th, which indicates something very bad happened in the days prior for the polls to catch.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:08 am

Arisyan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I doubt it can be done by executive order in any state. If it can what do you need a legislature for? The executive would be a king or queen in all but title.


but do you have proof of that claim? like did you read that section of the Maryland State Constitution?

From Ballotpedia: https://ballotpedia.org/Maryland_Constitution
Article 14 defines these ways to amend the Maryland Constitution:

Constitutional amendment can be accomplished via a legislatively referred constitutional amendment. Placing such a proposed amendment on the ballot must be approved by a two-thirds vote of each chamber of the Maryland State Legislature. Note: The required two-thirds vote is of the full membership of each chamber, not two-thirds of whatever quorum is present when the vote is held.
The constitution can also be amended via a constitutional convention.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:09 am

Maryland’s congressional lines are drawn by the state legislature, as a regular statute, subject to gubernatorial veto. [Md. Const. art. III, § 5]

What he’s likely doing is using an executive order to set up this commission, which will draw a congressional map, and is saying to the legislature “use their map or I’ll veto,” which is perfectly constitutional.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:10 am

Omniabstracta wrote:Maryland’s congressional lines are drawn by the state legislature, as a regular statute, subject to gubernatorial veto. [Md. Const. art. III, § 5]

What he’s likely doing is using an executive order to set up this commission, which will draw a congressional map, and is saying to the legislature “use their map or I’ll veto,” which is perfectly constitutional.


Democrats have a supermajority in both chambers so they can override his veto.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:11 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
I can choose to socially distance myself from that person if he/she refuses to put out the cigarette when I politely ask (if it really bothers me). If the company allows smoking, I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies. Most companies were already trying a balance by having smoking sections to make both sides happy (because they want to maximize customers and pleasing both sides is to their benefit).

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

Climate change can only be stopped if the state takes full control of all industry and enforces extremely strict regulations while prioritizing nuclear energy and such sources above all else

Nuclear is a good baseload option and some of the new SMR technology is very promising, but it's not the alpha and omega of green energy. New geothermal technologies also seem like very promising options for very large base-load power plants.

I also don't think the "normal" renewables (solar and wind) should be neglected-- Equinor's new offshore wind project in New York is going to be huge. The nuclear bros do not know everything, though they are at least closer to the right track than the anti-nuclear nutjobs.
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Postby Arisyan » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:Maryland’s congressional lines are drawn by the state legislature, as a regular statute, subject to gubernatorial veto. [Md. Const. art. III, § 5]

What he’s likely doing is using an executive order to set up this commission, which will draw a congressional map, and is saying to the legislature “use their map or I’ll veto,” which is perfectly constitutional.


Democrats have a supermajority in both chambers so they can override his veto.


which brings us back to square one. shoot. And yeah all I was asking for proof, you gave me proof, I believe you know.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:12 am

Valrifell wrote:
Senkaku wrote:it is insane that if you didn't know, you wouldn't be able to tell where the coup happened on that chart lol


...what? There's clearly a sharp decline after January 7th, which indicates something very bad happened in the days prior for the polls to catch.

Maybe, but it really doesn't look different from dips at any earlier point. I would've expected a much larger swing, if people actually cared about coups d'etat that is.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:21 am


Bush II left office with approval ratings in the low 20s. I guess he did get enough Americans killed.
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Postby The Untied State » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:21 am

Bombadil wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:It would’ve been a nice start to his term in terms of raising attention for issues like infrastructure and public transport, but not too important in the grand scheme I suppose.


He's known for generally traveling to and from Washington by train, he likes trains, he still likes trains..

i rode an amtrak train from nc to ny once or twice it was nice, better than a plane. infrastructure and public transport are great, biden should support them.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:22 am

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Climate change can only be stopped if the state takes full control of all industry and enforces extremely strict regulations while prioritizing nuclear energy and such sources above all else

Nuclear is a good baseload option and some of the new SMR technology is very promising, but it's not the alpha and omega of green energy. New geothermal technologies also seem like very promising options for very large base-load power plants.

I also don't think the "normal" renewables (solar and wind) should be neglected-- Equinor's new offshore wind project in New York is going to be huge. The nuclear bros do not know everything, though they are at least closer to the right track than the anti-nuclear nutjobs.



No, the shouldn't be neglected, if only because nuclear is a long-term solution that will take 15-20 years to complete construction to the supplementary levels we need. We need renewables and geothermal on a massive scale in any case, but we especially need their expansion now to ensure we can get to zero as soon as possible.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:22 am

Senkaku wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
...what? There's clearly a sharp decline after January 7th, which indicates something very bad happened in the days prior for the polls to catch.

Maybe, but it really doesn't look different from dips at any earlier point. I would've expected a much larger swing, if people actually cared about coups d'etat that is.

You have to account for surveys taken before the event that affect the average. By now though, fucking ridiculous.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:25 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Maybe, but it really doesn't look different from dips at any earlier point. I would've expected a much larger swing, if people actually cared about coups d'etat that is.

You have to account for surveys taken before the event that affect the average. By now though, fucking ridiculous.

The man's floor has always been disturbingly high, it's just sad that even this couldn't seem to break through it.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:26 am

Senkaku wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You have to account for surveys taken before the event that affect the average. By now though, fucking ridiculous.

The man's floor has always been disturbingly high, it's just sad that even this couldn't seem to break through it.


Yeah, I think the floor dropped from 43 to 36% or something along those lines in these final hours of Trumpism.
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Senkaku wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Climate change can only be stopped if the state takes full control of all industry and enforces extremely strict regulations while prioritizing nuclear energy and such sources above all else

Nuclear is a good baseload option and some of the new SMR technology is very promising, but it's not the alpha and omega of green energy. New geothermal technologies also seem like very promising options for very large base-load power plants.

I also don't think the "normal" renewables (solar and wind) should be neglected-- Equinor's new offshore wind project in New York is going to be huge. The nuclear bros do not know everything, though they are at least closer to the right track than the anti-nuclear nutjobs.


Sure but wind and geothermal can't fuel our colony ships to other planets. Gotta think of our glorious space empire future where our sick nuclear starships seduce all those sexy blue xeno babes. :p
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:29 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Senkaku wrote:The man's floor has always been disturbingly high, it's just sad that even this couldn't seem to break through it.


Yeah, I think the floor dropped from 43 to 36% or something along those lines in these final hours of Trumpism.

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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Nuclear is a good baseload option and some of the new SMR technology is very promising, but it's not the alpha and omega of green energy. New geothermal technologies also seem like very promising options for very large base-load power plants.

I also don't think the "normal" renewables (solar and wind) should be neglected-- Equinor's new offshore wind project in New York is going to be huge. The nuclear bros do not know everything, though they are at least closer to the right track than the anti-nuclear nutjobs.


Sure but wind and geothermal can't fuel our colony ships to other planets. Gotta think of our glorious space empire future where our sick nuclear starships seduce all those sexy blue xeno babes. :p

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:32 am

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Democrats have a supermajority in both chambers so they can override his veto.


which brings us back to square one. shoot. And yeah all I was asking for proof, you gave me proof, I believe you know.


It is a good way to pressure the legislature to put a independent commission on the ballot although they are under no obligation too. I never said you didn’t believe me.

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