American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

it doesn't
someone from the house will have to file a separate motion to bar trump from running from office again, if i remember correctly
this really is just a power move, if an utterly satisfying one

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

All part of the same thing.

Disqualification is part of judgement, and thus solely the business of the Senate. Thanks for the quote.

[Esalia]

No, he was a really terrible President who's only risen to second-worst President of the United States because the new last-place guy actively fomented an insurrection based entirely on lies in an effort to illegally remain in power and also killed hundreds of thousands of people out of egotism and narcissism.

You might feel differently after reading some positive things he has done (the pandemic response is on this list):

30 Good Things President Trump Has Done for America

https://townhall.com/columnists/waynegr ... a-n2574849

The fact that this list considers his pandemic response a good thing tells me everything I need to know about this list.

[The Archregimancy]

WaPo and others report Trump won't pay Giuliani's bills. How unlike the man.

More specifically, Trump is so angry with Giuliani over the second impeachment that he's apparently ordered his staff to stop paying the former New York mayor's legal fees in reaction to that second impeachment.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/13/poli ... index.html

However, this doesn't appear to be a full repudiation of Giuliani. or a recognition of his catastrophic incompetence in recent months, as he's still expected to play a role in Trump's impeachment defence.

Only the best people.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

I can see Trump's side of this. Giuliani's work isn't worth $20K per day, and he's probably richer than Trump at this stage.

"I'll do you a deal Rudy. We tear this up, and instead you're my first call for Campaign Manager 2024, and if I'm elected you get half of what we raise in Campaign funds. Deal?"

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

So in other words he's a relic from another era that has no business running a modern nation and failed to do the bare minimum to keep people safe?

Boy, who could have seen that coming?

Many people admire strong leaders. Putin, Duerte, Orban, and Bolsonaro are known to be strong men and they are admired for this. The citizens see them as strong men that they want to rally behind. These men are not afraid of offending a few people and in some ways are like traditional leaders.

I am not saying I admire them but I know many people like this kind of strong leader. Biden looks quite weak compared to these other men.

Bolsonaro and Duterte are just like Trump, all talk and no show. Putin and Orban actually follow up on their words which is why they are so popular in their respective countries, but it’s like Bolsonaro will be out soon and Duterte either voted out or ousted by constitutional measures

Biden may be seen as a weak leader, but he’s certainly better than the embarrassment that is Trump

[Agarntrop]

WaPo and others report Trump won't pay Giuliani's bills. How unlike the man.

More specifically, Trump is so angry with Giuliani over the second impeachment that he's apparently ordered his staff to stop paying the former New York mayor's legal fees in reaction to that second impeachment.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/13/poli ... index.html

However, this doesn't appear to be a full repudiation of Giuliani. or a recognition of his catastrophic incompetence in recent months, as he's still expected to play a role in Trump's impeachment defence.

Only the best people.

Number 11

[Borderlands of Rojava]

No, he was a really terrible President who's only risen to second-worst President of the United States because the new last-place guy actively fomented an insurrection based entirely on lies in an effort to illegally remain in power and also killed hundreds of thousands of people out of egotism and narcissism.

You might feel differently after reading some positive things he has done (the pandemic response is on this list):

30 Good Things President Trump Has Done for America

https://townhall.com/columnists/waynegr ... a-n2574849

•Continually downplaying the virus as a minor threat
•Confiscating supplies from states
•Urging fanatics to "liberate Michigan"
•Mocked mask wearing
•Took an extra week to shut down travel with the UK after he shut it down with Continental Europe
•Decided not to ramp up testing and left it to the states

Trump's pandemic response was a grade F failure of leadership and as a result 385,000 Americans are dead. Dont tell me about the "good things" the worst president ever did when your go to example is downright dishonest.

[Thermodolia]

...Ok?

Why does that matter?

do people just
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he's not taking Amtrak because of security concerns
and Biden loves trains

something big scared his team off

Biden loves trains so much that he stopped a speech because a train came through. The guy is crazy about em. Which is awesome because trains are awesome

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do people just
not
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he's not taking Amtrak because of security concerns
and Biden loves trains

something big scared his team off

Biden loves trains so much that he stopped a speech because a train came through. The guy is crazy about em. Which is awesome because trains are awesome

Biden's love of trains is maybe the only left-wing thing about him.

[Thermodolia]

The point is that impeachment prevents re-election. It's not just 6 days: it's potentially 4 years.

It's pretty unlikely 17 Republicans will go as far as conviction. Them having the courage to go even further and apply disqualification as well ... I just can't see it.

There's also rationale to consider. Will Presidents of the future think "gee, I better not attempt and fail to carry off a putsch after losing an election, or I'll get disqualified from running again?"

At this point in time, Trump must be one of the least electable citizens in America. Republicans are welcome to try and prove me wrong! The voters don't need patronizing protection against making the wrong choice again, and it would only flatter Trump to give him that place in history. Convicted by the Senate, sure, that's an appropriate judgement. Banning him from running again, outright harmful. From 2024 onwards it will be "we could have had Trump again except the Washington Establishment banned him" and worst of all there would be a grain of truth in it. "Could have" is magnified enormously by a Senate ruling of "never again".

Actually after the 20th you’ll only need 16 republicans and you have 8 republicans already supporting impeachment and conviction

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The point is that impeachment prevents re-election. It's not just 6 days: it's potentially 4 years.

It's pretty unlikely 17 Republicans will go as far as conviction. Them having the courage to go even further and apply disqualification as well ... I just can't see it.

There's also rationale to consider. Will Presidents of the future think "gee, I better not attempt and fail to carry off a putsch after losing an election, or I'll get disqualified from running again?"

At this point in time, Trump must be one of the least electable citizens in America. Republicans are welcome to try and prove me wrong! The voters don't need patronizing protection against making the wrong choice again, and it would only flatter Trump to give him that place in history. Convicted by the Senate, sure, that's an appropriate judgement. Banning him from running again, outright harmful. From 2024 onwards it will be "we could have had Trump again except the Washington Establishment banned him" and worst of all there would be a grain of truth in it. "Could have" is magnified enormously by a Senate ruling of "never again".

I would agree that he wouldn't be very electable in a general election but I have no doubt he would win the 2024 Republican primary and that means there are not insignificant odds that he will be President again unless he is convicted.

Who will beat Trump in a Republican primary? What factions of the party come close to the MAGA crowd in number or passion?

[Valrifell]

Biden loves trains so much that he stopped a speech because a train came through. The guy is crazy about em. Which is awesome because trains are awesome

Biden's love of trains is maybe the only left-wing thing about him.

Will Biden be the president to finally give the US good high-speed rail?

[Valrifell]

It's pretty unlikely 17 Republicans will go as far as conviction. Them having the courage to go even further and apply disqualification as well ... I just can't see it.

There's also rationale to consider. Will Presidents of the future think "gee, I better not attempt and fail to carry off a putsch after losing an election, or I'll get disqualified from running again?"

At this point in time, Trump must be one of the least electable citizens in America. Republicans are welcome to try and prove me wrong! The voters don't need patronizing protection against making the wrong choice again, and it would only flatter Trump to give him that place in history. Convicted by the Senate, sure, that's an appropriate judgement. Banning him from running again, outright harmful. From 2024 onwards it will be "we could have had Trump again except the Washington Establishment banned him" and worst of all there would be a grain of truth in it. "Could have" is magnified enormously by a Senate ruling of "never again".

Actually after the 20th you’ll only need 16 republicans and you have 8 republicans already supporting impeachment and conviction

Oh boy half way there

[Thermodolia]

Biden's love of trains is maybe the only left-wing thing about him.

Will Biden be the president to finally give the US good high-speed rail?

Well the Obama era high speed rail plan was Bidens idea so probably

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

It's pretty unlikely 17 Republicans will go as far as conviction. Them having the courage to go even further and apply disqualification as well ... I just can't see it.

There's also rationale to consider. Will Presidents of the future think "gee, I better not attempt and fail to carry off a putsch after losing an election, or I'll get disqualified from running again?"

At this point in time, Trump must be one of the least electable citizens in America. Republicans are welcome to try and prove me wrong! The voters don't need patronizing protection against making the wrong choice again, and it would only flatter Trump to give him that place in history. Convicted by the Senate, sure, that's an appropriate judgement. Banning him from running again, outright harmful. From 2024 onwards it will be "we could have had Trump again except the Washington Establishment banned him" and worst of all there would be a grain of truth in it. "Could have" is magnified enormously by a Senate ruling of "never again".

Actually after the 20th you’ll only need 16 republicans and you have 8 republicans already supporting impeachment and conviction

I think 2/3 of 100 is 67. Unless you're counting VP Harris?

Yeah, 8 is great. Particularly if it still includes McConnell. IF.

[Valrifell]

Will Biden be the president to finally give the US good high-speed rail?

Well the Obama era high speed rail plan was Bidens idea so probably

Wtf I'm an unironic Biden stan now?

[Thermodolia]

Actually after the 20th you’ll only need 16 republicans and you have 8 republicans already supporting impeachment and conviction

I think 2/3 of 100 is 67. Unless you're counting VP Harris?

Yeah, 8 is great. Particularly if it still includes McConnell. IF.

McConnell is apart of that 8

[Thermodolia]

Also Warnock and Ossoff should be sworn in on the 20th

[Valrifell]

I think 2/3 of 100 is 67. Unless you're counting VP Harris?

Yeah, 8 is great. Particularly if it still includes McConnell. IF.

McConnell is apart of that 8

What are the odds that McConnell can whip the remaining Senate votes, even though Trump has a firm grip on the GOP base?

[Esalia]

It's pretty unlikely 17 Republicans will go as far as conviction. Them having the courage to go even further and apply disqualification as well ... I just can't see it.

There's also rationale to consider. Will Presidents of the future think "gee, I better not attempt and fail to carry off a putsch after losing an election, or I'll get disqualified from running again?"

At this point in time, Trump must be one of the least electable citizens in America. Republicans are welcome to try and prove me wrong! The voters don't need patronizing protection against making the wrong choice again, and it would only flatter Trump to give him that place in history. Convicted by the Senate, sure, that's an appropriate judgement. Banning him from running again, outright harmful. From 2024 onwards it will be "we could have had Trump again except the Washington Establishment banned him" and worst of all there would be a grain of truth in it. "Could have" is magnified enormously by a Senate ruling of "never again".

Actually after the 20th you’ll only need 16 republicans and you have 8 republicans already supporting impeachment and conviction

8 is... more than I expected.

I still don't think we'll get the 16 Republicans needed though.

[Vassenor]

McConnell is apart of that 8

What are the odds that McConnell can whip the remaining Senate votes, even though Trump has a firm grip on the GOP base?

Nope. If anything he's trying to push it back to the point where it's all vanished from public consciousness and no-one will rage if they vote to acquit.

[Valrifell]

What are the odds that McConnell can whip the remaining Senate votes, even though Trump has a firm grip on the GOP base?

Nope. If anything he's trying to push it back to the point where it's all vanished from public consciousness and no-one will rage if they vote to acquit.

Alternatively, the hope is that Trump will fade from the limelight to the point where GOP Senators can feel safe in burying him without major backlash from their own base.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Biden's love of trains is maybe the only left-wing thing about him.

Will Biden be the president to finally give the US good high-speed rail?

You're going about it all wrong. Just change the definition of "high-speed" to "150 mph, some of the time" and you don't have to spend a cent!

[Thermodolia]

McConnell is apart of that 8

What are the odds that McConnell can whip the remaining Senate votes, even though Trump has a firm grip on the GOP base?

High. Trump’s grip with loosen significantly after he’s out of office. McConnell will still be in office but Trump wont

[Shrillland]

Will Biden be the president to finally give the US good high-speed rail?

You're going about it all wrong. Just change the definition of "high-speed" to "150 mph, some of the time" and you don't have to spend a cent!

Fuck that. We need Maglev trains in this country, damn the inconvenience and cost....which is all Americans care about nowadays.