PR for Beginners(A Dutch Election Thread)

[Shrillland]

Meanwhile, the Tweede Kamer is requesting to the Acting Cabinet that child allowance victims be cleared of all private debts in the same way that the government's already cleared them from public debts: https://nos.nl/artikel/2366087-tweede-kamer-overheid-moet-private-schulden-toeslagouders-overnemen.html

And the Eerste Kamer(Senate) voted 39-36 to approve a constitutional referendum, which now has to go through both houses again after the election:https://nos.nl/artikel/2366074-correctief-referendum-stap-dichterbij-na-steun-eerste-kamer.html

Basically, the amendment would allow for binding correctional referenda, or veto referenda, on any law passed. It would have to be rejected by a majority of voters AND that majority would have to be based on the previous general election, so if 7 million voted in the last election, a veto would need 3.5 million +1 to be approved. This is actually SP's fourth attempt at this amendment.

[The Blaatschapen]

Meanwhile, the Tweede Kamer is requesting to the Acting Cabinet that child allowance victims be cleared of all private debts in the same way that the government's already cleared them from public debts: https://nos.nl/artikel/2366087-tweede-kamer-overheid-moet-private-schulden-toeslagouders-overnemen.html

And the Eerste Kamer(Senate) voted 39-36 to approve a constitutional referendum, which now has to go through both houses again after the election:https://nos.nl/artikel/2366074-correctief-referendum-stap-dichterbij-na-steun-eerste-kamer.html

Basically, the amendment would allow for binding correctional referenda, or veto referenda, on any law passed. It would have to be rejected by a majority of voters AND that majority would have to be based on the previous general election, so if 7 million voted in the last election, a veto would need 3.5 million +1 to be approved. This is actually SP's fourth attempt at this amendment.

Regarding the amendment, after the election it indeed needs to go through both houses again. And this time it requires a 2/3rd majority.

Which I don't see likely to happen.

[The Alma Mater]

I guess Europe lost any moral high ground they had to mock America for being third world and violent, the Dutch at least

In.. ironic.. news - football hooligans hard-core supporters are joining forces with the police to patrol cities, to make sure "they are not destroyed".

[Shrillland]

In the news this week, the Tweede Kamer's leaving the Binnenhof so the building can be renovated: https://nos.nl/artikel/2366355-verhuizing-tweede-kamer-echt-deze-zomer.html

And today is CU's Party Congress where they lambast Rutte and neoliberalism before deciding to join the next government anyway: https://nos.nl/artikel/2366580-segers-op-cu-congres-het-gaat-niet-om-haags-gedoe-maar-om-idealen.html

[Shrillland]

The lists will be finalised on Friday, but there are expected to be 41 parties on the ballot, a record: https://nos.nl/artikel/2367088-recordaantal-van-41-partijen-levert-kandidatenlijst-in-voor-verkiezingen.html

[The Blaatschapen]

The lists will be finalised on Friday, but there are expected to be 41 parties on the ballot, a record: https://nos.nl/artikel/2367088-recordaantal-van-41-partijen-levert-kandidatenlijst-in-voor-verkiezingen.html

Also noteworthy is that the elections will take place over three days.

And cool, after Friday I will get my list and can get my vote out. I already have the other papers. As a voter abroad the situation is always a bit more complicated.

So after Friday I also have to sit down and decide whom to vote for.

[Shrillland]

The lists are final: 37 parties, four were rejected: https://nos.nl/artikel/2367387-recordaantal-van-37-partijen-op-het-stembiljet.html

Also, yesterday was the Rainbow Leaders Debate hosted by COC Nederland(the world's oldest LGBT rights organisation), a debate for LGBTQ+ issues: https://nos.nl/artikel/2367468-acht-politieke-partijen-bijna-eensgezind-in-beloften-aan-lhbti-ers.html

And Rutte's been meeting with victims of the Benefits Affair: https://nos.nl/artikel/2367550-gedupeerden-toeslagenaffaire-spreken-vijf-uur-met-rutte-in-catshuis.html

[The Huskar Social Union]

37 parties


DEMOCRACY MANIFEST

[New Swaraelia]

Ah, a perennial favourite at NSG, the Dutch Tweede Kamer election

We're an exciting bunch aren't we

[Shrillland]

Ah, a perennial favourite at NSG, the Dutch Tweede Kamer election

We're an exciting bunch aren't we

It could be worse. We could be on 8Chan or some shit visibly watching our brains melt.

[Shrillland]

In the news, today, February 9, is the 75th anniversary of the modern PvdA: https://nos.nl/artikel/2367908-pvda-75-jaar-we-zijn-pas-net-begonnen.html

And its leader, Ploumen, has vowed an all or nothing electoral apporach, if she can't be PM, she won't join the cabinet: https://nos.nl/artikel/2367669-ploumen-leidt-pvda-liever-vanuit-de-kamer-dan-als-vicepremier.html

As I see it, this is a bad idea because PvdA is the most likely to add to the current coalition.

PvdD has decided, for the first time, that they would like to be part of the government: https://nos.nl/artikel/2367689-ouwehand-pvdd-is-klaar-om-mee-te-regeren.html

An animal rights party in government....interesting to see how that would go.

And the first official leaders' debate was last night: https://nos.nl/artikel/2367876-eerste-verkiezingsdebat-in-teken-van-felle-discussies-over-coronabestrijding.html

[The Alma Mater]

The first website that helps one pick a party in this years elections is online:

https://stemwijzer.nl/

In Dutch. Ofc.

[Shrillland]

The first website that helps one pick a party in this years elections is online:

https://stemwijzer.nl/

In Dutch. Ofc.

Well, it wasn't easy, but I managed to get it done via Google Translating the site itself through the translate extension...

[The Alma Mater]

The first website that helps one pick a party in this years elections is online:

https://stemwijzer.nl/

In Dutch. Ofc.

Well, it wasn't easy, but I managed to get it done via Google Translating the site itself through the translate extension...

So - can I guess what your answer to the "people need to learn Dutch before they can get a home" question was ?

[Shrillland]

Well, it wasn't easy, but I managed to get it done via Google Translating the site itself through the translate extension...

So - can I guess what your answer to the "people need to learn Dutch before they can get a home" question was ?

I said disagree myself, integration should count for citizenship, but not necessarily housing assistance.

I got 72% for BIJ1, 64% for GL and the Pirate Party, and 62% for D66 and JONG.

[Nova Anglicana]

The first website that helps one pick a party in this years elections is online:

https://stemwijzer.nl/

In Dutch. Ofc.

Mostly through translate, so not sure if I did everything right, but top four were D66 (59%), PvdA (50%), CU (50%), CDA (41%). That makes sense, as those are likely the four I would consider voting for, but I'm not super in agreement with any one of them.

[The Alma Mater]

I am honestly annoyed by how poorly several of the new parties have prepared themselves. With only a month to go the website of Splinter for example has not been updated since december 20th and still lacks content on issues like nature management, saying "follows asap".

Sorry, but that means no vote.

[Aryajanapada]

Splinter isn't viable. So that will be a vote for SP from me.

[HC Eredivisie]

Fortunately the poll results are not representative of the election results because that would make me sad.

So on the Stemwijzer I got 73% 50Plus, 60% VVD and 57% PvdA, so that's easy.

[The Blaatschapen]

Fortunately the poll results are not representative of the election results because that would make me sad.

So on the Stemwijzer I got 73% 50Plus, 60% VVD and 57% PvdA, so that's easy.

I thought you were my age, but you're a boomer?

[The Blaatschapen]

I got 67% max score for SP, GroenLinks, party of the animals, Bij1, and Volt.

I'll probably pick party of the animals. Go sheep!

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

I got 67% max score for SP, GroenLinks, party of the animals, Bij1, and Volt.

I'll probably pick party of the animals. Go sheep!

I wish I could read Dutch so I could answer these polls. :p

PvdD sound like a fringe party to me, tbh. Is there a realistic coalition configuration after the next Second Chamber elections that results in them going into government?

[The Blaatschapen]

I got 67% max score for SP, GroenLinks, party of the animals, Bij1, and Volt.

I'll probably pick party of the animals. Go sheep!

I wish I could read Dutch so I could answer these polls.

PvdD sound like a fringe party to me, tbh. Is there a realistic coalition configuration after the next Second Chamber elections that results in them going into government?

Probably not.

VVD is likely to end up as the biggest, and that will result in them leading the coalition talks. They're like to go with parties that they know and can make deals with. So CDA, D66, PvdA, and if needed CU. Wilders used to be an option, but after Rutte's first cabinet, it is not so likely. Rutte is probably still mad at Wilders for that. Of course, a VVD without Rutte might open up that possibility again, but then PvdA and D66 are out.

It mostly depends on ways to get to a majority. The political landscape is very fractured.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I am a BIJ1 member, and a founding member of their local division in my home town, so I’m going with them.

At this point, a second cabinet in the current configuration seems most likely. The question remains whether the right and far right can get enough seats to form ad hoc alliances on economic issues.

[Hurdergaryp]

I wish I could read Dutch so I could answer these polls.

PvdD sound like a fringe party to me, tbh. Is there a realistic coalition configuration after the next Second Chamber elections that results in them going into government?

Probably not.

VVD is likely to end up as the biggest, and that will result in them leading the coalition talks. They're like to go with parties that they know and can make deals with. So CDA, D66, PvdA, and if needed CU. Wilders used to be an option, but after Rutte's first cabinet, it is not so likely. Rutte is probably still mad at Wilders for that. Of course, a VVD without Rutte might open up that possibility again, but then PvdA and D66 are out.

It mostly depends on ways to get to a majority. The political landscape is very fractured.

And full of weirdos, especially when you check out the various newcomers.