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by Rusozak » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:44 pm
by Torisakia » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:46 pm
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Torisakia wrote:Are we going to favor continuing to be the laughing stock of the first world by having inept leadership, a lack of quality and affordable healthcare, and borderline genocide over that? We could fix all those issues but so far it doesn't look like that's possible.
Wait, how is the US borderline genocidal? Did I miss something??? Hang on--I am confusion.
[TNN] A cargo ship belonging to Torisakia disappeared off the coast of Kostane late Wednesday evening. TBI suspects foul play. || Congress passes a T$10 billion aid package for the Democratic Populist rebels in Kostane. To include firearms, vehicles, and artillery.
by Picairn » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:46 pm
Territories of Illinois wrote:Over the times the united states exist, an almost mutual distrust has arisen against the federal government over issues like slavery, taxes, intervention, COVID-19 , and underrepresented states and peoples. Things like the Confederacy, Texas, Hawaii, California, and I believe New Hampshire has tried to secede over numerous issues. Taking into consideration that some states and territories of the United States have previously existed as autonomous countries before, here are some questions to consider when discussing this topic: Is secession legal, and does the 10th amendment protect that right? Would states be better off without the intervention of the federal government? If we did decide to dissolve the federal government, should we replace it with something modeled off a mutual friendship/league like the Articles of Confederation, or an economic union such as the EU?
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-22/column-coronavirus-split-country
https://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/2020/11/15/should-the-united-states-of-america-break-up-into-two-countries/
https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-the-usa-be-split-into-multiple-different-countries
https://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/time-united-states-divorce-things-get-dangerous/
https://bonniebluepublishing.com/The%20Right%20of%20Secession.htm#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20evidence%20that%20secession%20was%20illegal,that%20secession%20was%20a%20legal%2C%20constitutionally%20sanctioned%20act.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States
by Sanghyeok » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:46 pm
Rusozak wrote:I think it's funny the OP is named "Territories of Illinois" advocating for autonomy when the only thing keeping our state from imploding into a singularity of debt and corruption is the rest of the union carrying us along.
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by The Two Jerseys » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:49 pm
by Sanghyeok » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:51 pm
Picairn wrote:Territories of Illinois wrote:Over the times the united states exist, an almost mutual distrust has arisen against the federal government over issues like slavery, taxes, intervention, COVID-19 , and underrepresented states and peoples. Things like the Confederacy, Texas, Hawaii, California, and I believe New Hampshire has tried to secede over numerous issues. Taking into consideration that some states and territories of the United States have previously existed as autonomous countries before, here are some questions to consider when discussing this topic: Is secession legal, and does the 10th amendment protect that right? Would states be better off without the intervention of the federal government? If we did decide to dissolve the federal government, should we replace it with something modeled off a mutual friendship/league like the Articles of Confederation, or an economic union such as the EU?
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-22/column-coronavirus-split-country
https://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/2020/11/15/should-the-united-states-of-america-break-up-into-two-countries/
https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-the-usa-be-split-into-multiple-different-countries
https://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/time-united-states-divorce-things-get-dangerous/
https://bonniebluepublishing.com/The%20Right%20of%20Secession.htm#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20evidence%20that%20secession%20was%20illegal,that%20secession%20was%20a%20legal%2C%20constitutionally%20sanctioned%20act.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States
> Sees Articles of Confederation as a replacement for dissolution of the US federal government
NOPE! N to the O to the P to the E! The Founding Fathers already went through that ordeal and they were so tired with it they created a whole new Constitution.
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Salus Maior » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:51 pm
by Western Fardelshufflestein » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:52 pm
Picairn wrote:Territories of Illinois wrote:Over the times the united states exist, an almost mutual distrust has arisen against the federal government over issues like slavery, taxes, intervention, COVID-19 , and underrepresented states and peoples. Things like the Confederacy, Texas, Hawaii, California, and I believe New Hampshire has tried to secede over numerous issues. Taking into consideration that some states and territories of the United States have previously existed as autonomous countries before, here are some questions to consider when discussing this topic: Is secession legal, and does the 10th amendment protect that right? Would states be better off without the intervention of the federal government? If we did decide to dissolve the federal government, should we replace it with something modeled off a mutual friendship/league like the Articles of Confederation, or an economic union such as the EU?
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-22/column-coronavirus-split-country
https://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/2020/11/15/should-the-united-states-of-america-break-up-into-two-countries/
https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-the-usa-be-split-into-multiple-different-countries
https://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/time-united-states-divorce-things-get-dangerous/
https://bonniebluepublishing.com/The%20Right%20of%20Secession.htm#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20evidence%20that%20secession%20was%20illegal,that%20secession%20was%20a%20legal%2C%20constitutionally%20sanctioned%20act.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States
> Sees Articles of Confederation as a replacement for dissolution of the US federal government
NOPE! N to the O to the P to the E! The Founding Fathers already went through that ordeal and they were so tired with it they created a whole new Constitution.
Atheris wrote:Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Wait, how is the US borderline genocidal? Did I miss something??? Hang on--I am confusion.
Angry people call the concentration camps that ICE makes "borderline genocide111!!!!!11" like they're comparable to the way China treats Uighurs or how the Nazis treated the Jews.
Torisakia wrote:I am not well-informed on the ICE situation, but I doubt they are death camps.Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Wait, how is the US borderline genocidal? Did I miss something??? Hang on--I am confusion.
I mean I'd call the murder by police of individuals based on their race as genocide, but that's just me.
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by Torisakia » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:55 pm
[TNN] A cargo ship belonging to Torisakia disappeared off the coast of Kostane late Wednesday evening. TBI suspects foul play. || Congress passes a T$10 billion aid package for the Democratic Populist rebels in Kostane. To include firearms, vehicles, and artillery.
by The Two Jerseys » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:07 pm
by Atheris » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:14 pm
by The Two Jerseys » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:30 pm
by Salus Maior » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:35 pm
by Territories of Illinois » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:04 am
Sanghyeok wrote:Picairn wrote:> Sees Articles of Confederation as a replacement for dissolution of the US federal government
NOPE! N to the O to the P to the E! The Founding Fathers already went through that ordeal and they were so tired with it they created a whole new Constitution.
Half of their sources are rather obvious pro-secession as well. I dislike the US, but I wouldn't wish a Balkans situation on their people.
by Territories of Illinois » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:07 am
Sanghyeok wrote:Rusozak wrote:I think it's funny the OP is named "Territories of Illinois" advocating for autonomy when the only thing keeping our state from imploding into a singularity of debt and corruption is the rest of the union carrying us along.
Well, they seem to believe that the US central government is tyranny for refusing to overthrow election results, so their reasoning is different.
by Territories of Illinois » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:09 am
Rusozak wrote:I think it's funny the OP is named "Territories of Illinois" advocating for autonomy when the only thing keeping our state from imploding into a singularity of debt and corruption is the rest of the union carrying us along.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:53 am
by Territories of Illinois » Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:09 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I think it would be difficult to find a bath tub big enough, let alone enough acid.
by Adamede » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:35 am
Atheris wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
I don't know what else they would call themselves.
Columbia was a poetic name, but that also wouldn't solve the problem because there already are two Columbias as it is.
Fredonia, Columbia, Borealis, Usonia, Vesperia, India, New Albion, Virginia, Appalachia, Alleghania, even Mesothalassia.
I particularly like the Continental Republic after the Continental Congress and Army.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:17 am
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:28 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Torisakia wrote:I mean I'd call the murder by police of individuals based on their race as genocide, but that's just me.
While black people are disproportionately killed by cops, I wouldn't say there's an organized effort to kill blacks going on, hence not a genocide. Our country definitely is murderous though.
by Kubra » Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:33 am
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