Should the United States Federal government be dissolved?

[Rusozak]

I think it's funny the OP is named "Territories of Illinois" advocating for autonomy when the only thing keeping our state from imploding into a singularity of debt and corruption is the rest of the union carrying us along.

[Torisakia]

Are we going to favor continuing to be the laughing stock of the first world by having inept leadership, a lack of quality and affordable healthcare, and borderline genocide over that? We could fix all those issues but so far it doesn't look like that's possible.

Wait, how is the US borderline genocidal? Did I miss something??? Hang on--I am confusion.

I mean I'd call the murder by police of individuals based on their race as genocide, but that's just me.

[Picairn]

Over the times the united states exist, an almost mutual distrust has arisen against the federal government over issues like slavery, taxes, intervention, COVID-19 , and underrepresented states and peoples. Things like the Confederacy, Texas, Hawaii, California, and I believe New Hampshire has tried to secede over numerous issues. Taking into consideration that some states and territories of the United States have previously existed as autonomous countries before, here are some questions to consider when discussing this topic: Is secession legal, and does the 10th amendment protect that right? Would states be better off without the intervention of the federal government? If we did decide to dissolve the federal government, should we replace it with something modeled off a mutual friendship/league like the Articles of Confederation, or an economic union such as the EU?
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-22/column-coronavirus-split-country
https://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/2020/11/15/should-the-united-states-of-america-break-up-into-two-countries/
https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-the-usa-be-split-into-multiple-different-countries
https://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/time-united-states-divorce-things-get-dangerous/
https://bonniebluepublishing.com/The%20Right%20of%20Secession.htm#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20evidence%20that%20secession%20was%20illegal,that%20secession%20was%20a%20legal%2C%20constitutionally%20sanctioned%20act.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

> Sees Articles of Confederation as a replacement for dissolution of the US federal government

NOPE! N to the O to the P to the E! The Founding Fathers already went through that ordeal and they were so tired with it they created a whole new Constitution.

[Sanghyeok]

I think it's funny the OP is named "Territories of Illinois" advocating for autonomy when the only thing keeping our state from imploding into a singularity of debt and corruption is the rest of the union carrying us along.

Well, they seem to believe that the US central government is tyranny for refusing to overthrow election results, so their reasoning is different.

[The Two Jerseys]

The land was called the West Indies, and its people were called Indians.

I see it as a realistic name that could've been chosen back then.

That would have been even worse in terms of people being upset about it in the present.

Founding Fathers: "We'll call our country 'the United States of India'."

East India Company: "Oi! You wot? Fite me, m8!"

[Sanghyeok]

Over the times the united states exist, an almost mutual distrust has arisen against the federal government over issues like slavery, taxes, intervention, COVID-19 , and underrepresented states and peoples. Things like the Confederacy, Texas, Hawaii, California, and I believe New Hampshire has tried to secede over numerous issues. Taking into consideration that some states and territories of the United States have previously existed as autonomous countries before, here are some questions to consider when discussing this topic: Is secession legal, and does the 10th amendment protect that right? Would states be better off without the intervention of the federal government? If we did decide to dissolve the federal government, should we replace it with something modeled off a mutual friendship/league like the Articles of Confederation, or an economic union such as the EU?
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-22/column-coronavirus-split-country
https://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/2020/11/15/should-the-united-states-of-america-break-up-into-two-countries/
https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-the-usa-be-split-into-multiple-different-countries
https://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/time-united-states-divorce-things-get-dangerous/
https://bonniebluepublishing.com/The%20Right%20of%20Secession.htm#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20evidence%20that%20secession%20was%20illegal,that%20secession%20was%20a%20legal%2C%20constitutionally%20sanctioned%20act.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

> Sees Articles of Confederation as a replacement for dissolution of the US federal government

NOPE! N to the O to the P to the E! The Founding Fathers already went through that ordeal and they were so tired with it they created a whole new Constitution.

Half of their sources are rather obvious pro-secession as well. I dislike the US, but I wouldn't wish a Balkans situation on their people.

[Salus Maior]

That would have been even worse in terms of people being upset about it in the present.

Founding Fathers: "We'll call our country 'the United States of India'."

East India Company: "Oi! You wot? Fite me, m8!"

Honestly, America is the best possible name for the Union for a lot of reasons.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Over the times the united states exist, an almost mutual distrust has arisen against the federal government over issues like slavery, taxes, intervention, COVID-19 , and underrepresented states and peoples. Things like the Confederacy, Texas, Hawaii, California, and I believe New Hampshire has tried to secede over numerous issues. Taking into consideration that some states and territories of the United States have previously existed as autonomous countries before, here are some questions to consider when discussing this topic: Is secession legal, and does the 10th amendment protect that right? Would states be better off without the intervention of the federal government? If we did decide to dissolve the federal government, should we replace it with something modeled off a mutual friendship/league like the Articles of Confederation, or an economic union such as the EU?
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-22/column-coronavirus-split-country
https://www.veteranstodaynetwork.com/2020/11/15/should-the-united-states-of-america-break-up-into-two-countries/
https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-the-usa-be-split-into-multiple-different-countries
https://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/time-united-states-divorce-things-get-dangerous/
https://bonniebluepublishing.com/The%20Right%20of%20Secession.htm#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20evidence%20that%20secession%20was%20illegal,that%20secession%20was%20a%20legal%2C%20constitutionally%20sanctioned%20act.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

> Sees Articles of Confederation as a replacement for dissolution of the US federal government

NOPE! N to the O to the P to the E! The Founding Fathers already went through that ordeal and they were so tired with it they created a whole new Constitution.

Exactly. Please do not send the US back into the 1780s. Dissolution is not worth a continental.

Wait, how is the US borderline genocidal? Did I miss something??? Hang on--I am confusion.

Angry people call the concentration camps that ICE makes "borderline genocide111!!!!!11" like they're comparable to the way China treats Uighurs or how the Nazis treated the Jews.

I am not well-informed on the ICE situation, but I doubt they are death camps.

Wait, how is the US borderline genocidal? Did I miss something??? Hang on--I am confusion.

I mean I'd call the murder by police of individuals based on their race as genocide, but that's just me.

I do not think it is the entire police system that is the problem, but yes, there are rotten, rotten apples out there.

[Torisakia]

I mean I'd call the murder by police of individuals based on their race as genocide, but that's just me.

I do not think it is the entire police system that is the problem, but yes, there are rotten, rotten apples out there.

Discussion for a different thread, I guess.

[The Two Jerseys]

Founding Fathers: "We'll call our country 'the United States of India'."

East India Company: "Oi! You wot? Fite me, m8!"

Honestly, America is the best possible name for the Union for a lot of reasons.

The only other logical choice is Columbia, and that's not going to happen unless we keep bombing Colombia until they agree to change their name back to New Granada.

[Atheris]

Honestly, America is the best possible name for the Union for a lot of reasons.

The only other logical choice is Columbia, and that's not going to happen unless we keep bombing Colombia until they agree to change their name back to New Granada.

Well, the US existed a good 40 years(ish) before Colombia, so we can claim seniority.

[The Two Jerseys]

The only other logical choice is Columbia, and that's not going to happen unless we keep bombing Colombia until they agree to change their name back to New Granada.

Well, the US existed a good 40 years(ish) before Colombia, so we can claim seniority.

And apparently they didn't even change their name to Colombia until around 1860...

[Salus Maior]

Well, the US existed a good 40 years(ish) before Colombia, so we can claim seniority.

And apparently they didn't even change their name to Colombia until around 1860...

Geez, the nerve.

Claiming Columbus as their guy, huh.

[Territories of Illinois]

> Sees Articles of Confederation as a replacement for dissolution of the US federal government

NOPE! N to the O to the P to the E! The Founding Fathers already went through that ordeal and they were so tired with it they created a whole new Constitution.

Half of their sources are rather obvious pro-secession as well. I dislike the US, but I wouldn't wish a Balkans situation on their people.

I just searched “Seccession in the United States” and picked the first results I saw. Sorry if they seemed biased

[Territories of Illinois]

I think it's funny the OP is named "Territories of Illinois" advocating for autonomy when the only thing keeping our state from imploding into a singularity of debt and corruption is the rest of the union carrying us along.

Well, they seem to believe that the US central government is tyranny for refusing to overthrow election results, so their reasoning is different.

I voted for Jorganson, why do you assume I’m for Trump. To be honest, the two top candidates this year like for the past century have been horrible

[Territories of Illinois]

I think it's funny the OP is named "Territories of Illinois" advocating for autonomy when the only thing keeping our state from imploding into a singularity of debt and corruption is the rest of the union carrying us along.

Most of the corruption is coming from the city of Chicago who controls almost everything government wise with the state. The federal government is the cause of the needless suffering because we would have already seceded by now with the New Illinois movement of it weren’t for the unnecessary roadblocks of the constitution to be a new state

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I think it would be difficult to find a bath tub big enough, let alone enough acid.

[Territories of Illinois]

I think it would be difficult to find a bath tub big enough, let alone enough acid.

What?!

[Adamede]

I don't know what else they would call themselves.

Columbia was a poetic name, but that also wouldn't solve the problem because there already are two Columbias as it is.

Fredonia, Columbia, Borealis, Usonia, Vesperia, India, New Albion, Virginia, Appalachia, Alleghania, even Mesothalassia.

I particularly like the Continental Republic after the Continental Congress and Army.

“Where are you from?”
“The Continent”
“There’s fucking 7 of those shit face”

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Wait, how is the US borderline genocidal? Did I miss something??? Hang on--I am confusion.

I mean I'd call the murder by police of individuals based on their race as genocide, but that's just me.

While black people are disproportionately killed by cops, I wouldn't say there's an organized effort to kill blacks going on, hence not a genocide. Our country definitely is murderous though.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I mean I'd call the murder by police of individuals based on their race as genocide, but that's just me.

While black people are disproportionately killed by cops, I wouldn't say there's an organized effort to kill blacks going on, hence not a genocide. Our country definitely is murderous though.

He hates the entire US according to his sig, so he'll be the type to exaggerate our wrongs.

[Kubra]

Not Legal, not protected.
Anyway, if any state tried to secede, I propose we use the Somalia model. It’s the only thing that would happen.

I prefer direct rule from DC

I prefer direct rule from Phoenix

[Atheris]

I prefer direct rule from DC

I prefer direct rule from Phoenix

D I R E C T
R U L E
F R O M
D E N V E R

[Valentine Z]

I thought we have this already... somewhat to a similar degree. Should the US be dissolved? Should the US be disbanded?

I still want US to be 50 countries. Florida can duke it out with South Carolina, while Washington DC throws punches at New York Country. Wyoming will absolutely bonk people with attrition because of the hostile weather.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

This is a discussion so silly it could only happen on NSG.