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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:35 pm

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:35 pm

Deacarsia wrote:This is awesome.

You lost an election that was fair. This is not awesome.
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Postby Faraby » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:35 pm

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Postby Imperium Latine » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:35 pm

Torisakia wrote:This whole event has added fuel to my argument that the US is not a first world country. Even calling us a third world country would be an insult to actually third world countries.


This was definitely shameful for the US but you must not really know 3rd world countries to say things like that.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:36 pm

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That’s the sad part. Precedent. I’ve said this in thread several times. Trump is a dumbfuck but his cuckery certainly can give an intelligent person a play by play book on how to avoid mistakes to successfully steal an election. I hope I’m wrong but there may be a dictator in your country’s future. The bed has been made.

It's now clear that if you want to launch a coup, all you need is a mob, a few Capitol police (either to sabotage the perimeter and let people in, or to get more of the force on board with standing down or what have you), and the backing of the DC National Guard. Once someone figures that out, we have our praetorians.


You need a little more than that, but yes. It didn’t work this time, but wait until the president is intelligent and the very electorate deeming said person popular permits the shenanigans. Check Putin, and Chavez. What they did they did because the electorate permitted it.

Get someone who can game the system, who’s popular and an accepting population and say goodbye to your republic.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:36 pm

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They don't waste their money on bombing countries and installing "democracies" either.


1. Partially because they get to hide behind the shield of alliances.

2. Also because they don't even meet their Nato commitments.

3. Great example of a fine democracy that upholds international agreements.

1. The only alliance they're a part of is NATO.
2. Neither do most NATO members.
3. I'd also like to point out that they're not an ethno-state nor do they nor are they totally flushed with oil money, as the US is the world's largest oil producer.
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:36 pm

Silvedania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
One person is dead. How is that awesome?

Really? Who died? I haven't heard this yet

From what I gather, it was a woman who entered the building. Someone who took a gun with them thought it would be funny to randomly fire it and it didn't go so well.

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Postby Cordel One » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:36 pm

Imperium Latine wrote:
Torisakia wrote:This whole event has added fuel to my argument that the US is not a first world country. Even calling us a third world country would be an insult to actually third world countries.


This was definitely shameful for the US but you must not really know 3rd world countries to say things like that.

I've been to several and can confirm Torisakia's claim

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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:37 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Silvedania wrote:Really? Who died? I haven't heard this yet

From what I gather, it was a woman who entered the building. Someone who took a gun with them thought it would be funny to randomly fire it and it didn't go so well.

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Postby Silvedania » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:37 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Silvedania wrote:Really? Who died? I haven't heard this yet

From what I gather, it was a woman who entered the building. Someone who took a gun with them thought it would be funny to randomly fire it and it didn't go so well.

Was the woman storming the building?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:37 pm

Torisakia wrote:This whole event has added fuel to my argument that the US is not a first world country. Even calling us a third world country would be an insult to actually third world countries.

It isn't a third world country in the traditional unaligned sense. It is however a Latin American-style caudilloship on par with Venezuela at this stage.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:37 pm

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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:37 pm

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Western Fardelshufflestein
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:37 pm

Torisakia wrote:This whole event has added fuel to my argument that the US is not a first world country. Even calling us a third world country would be an insult to actually third world countries.

But the literal definition of "first world country" includes the US and its allies.

This has gotten so far out of hand. I think a lot of it might be caused by pent-up frustrations from everything that's been happening, and now it's all boiled over.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:37 pm


Most police officer tend to lean to the Right and have spent an the entire summer antagonizing left-wing peaceful protests which turned them into riots.

This isn't surprising.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:38 pm

Gravlen wrote:
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They're also a tiny ethnostate flush with oil cash.

Apples, oranges.

Not an ethnostate, and... The US is the world's largest oil producer, and flush with oil cash. It's just kept on fewer hands. Praise be unchecked capitalism!


85% of Norway is Norwegian by ethnic ancestry. What percentage do they need to have for you to consider it an ethnostate?

The Norwegian sovereign wealth fund totals $200k USD per taxpayer, almost exclusively funded with oil. The US only makes ~700 dollars per citizen off of oil. In what world is 200k comparable to 700, or were you just throwing out unfounded assumptions you repeat as truth?
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:38 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
They don't waste their money on bombing countries and installing "democracies" either.


Partially because they get to hide behind the shield of alliances.

Also because they don't even meet their Nato commitments.

Great example of a fine democracy that upholds international agreements.

Norway spend 2 percent of their GDP on defense expenditures, meeting their NATO commitments.

I mean, you have Google right?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:38 pm

FFS Vassenor and Insaanistan why the hell did you quote that post.
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:38 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Silvedania wrote:Really? Who died? I haven't heard this yet

From what I gather, it was a woman who entered the building. Someone who took a gun with them thought it would be funny to randomly fire it and it didn't go so well.

Mother went in this a gun and children shot a few bullets and then was shot by guards and killed from, what I heard.
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:38 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Brave patriots who drape themselves in the flag of a failed state that lasted four years that waged a war against the state they live in and supposedly love.

^This. I’ve argued this IRL soooo many times.
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Postby Silvedania » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:38 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Brave patriots who drape themselves in the flag of a failed state that lasted four years that waged a war against the state they live in and supposedly love.

The storming of the capital is a little moronic, I agree.
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:38 pm

Silvedania wrote:
Istoreya wrote:From what I gather, it was a woman who entered the building. Someone who took a gun with them thought it would be funny to randomly fire it and it didn't go so well.

Was the woman storming the building?

She was, but unarmed, and possibly pregnant.

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The Archregimancy
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:39 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Mordka wrote:BIDEN MUST BE ASSASSINATED FOR THE GOOD OF THE UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA AND THAT TRUMP IS THE RIGHTFUL PRESIDENT!


How does one become the rightful president after losing both the popular and Electoral votes?


Please don't reply to obvious forum trolls, Vassenor.

I mean, the all caps post should have been just the teensiest clue.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:39 pm

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Postby Holy Marsh » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:39 pm

The kiddie gloves with which these traitors are being treated is absolutely infuriating. Change who is doing the storming and I guarantee there would be a lot of bodies on the ground,

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