American Politics I: It's All Applesauce

[Neutraligon]

Please read all the way through.
As somebody who started as a trump supporter during the 2016 election cycle, I became aware of what trump had done in his past, at that point I switched. I could not stand for several of the things trump had done in his past. I started supporting Hillary. When Trump won, instead of talking about impeaching him before he was inaugurated, I gave him a chance. In the past 4 years, there was historically low unemployment rate. The United States economy was at the highest peak ever, under President Trump. Yes there was the high unemployment rate during the time of Coronavirus, but with the Coronavirus, it makes sense to have a historically low unemployment rate during that time. He imposed the travel ban from China in order to slow the spread. He gave every bit of help he could to combat Covid, while still being reasonable. At that time he was not my favorite choice. I loved Andrew Yang. I hope Andrew Yang runs again in 2024, when he dropped out, I went to Buttigieg, then onto Warren. At that point there were only two other legitimate options other than Trump, those two were Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden. Bernie Sanders would turn America into a socialist country. Joe Biden, is old, frail, and has dementia. People who are experts at diagnosing and recognizing Dementia have said that he does. The only other logical choice at that point was Trump. I hit myself every time I voiced my support for Trump. At this point, I believe he was cheated, look at the affidavits, the trump administration has. They have tens of thousands. Especially with the Three o'clock dump of ballots, that all somehow went to Biden. That does not make sense. Several hundred thousand ballots all dropped off at the same time, go to Biden. There would have been at least several thousand of those hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped off at Three AM, and that is even a stretch of how many ballots should have if they were even legitimate at all. There is something that does not quite add up with that. a third of the those who voted, made up of republicans, democrats, and third parties believe there was a very substantial amount of voter fraud. I stand with that group of people. On inauguration day, Biden will become my president, unless results are somehow overturned, at this late stage. I do hope, that Andrew Yang will be put on the Biden administration. I think Andrew Yang would make an excellent Secretary of Commerce, as he understands what is happening to our economy in the coming years. He also understands what needs to be done.

From what I can tell his unemployment numbers where slightly lower then average and that was the continuation of a trend started during the obama administration. I am sure you can provide actual evidence for the fraud, though that would be rather amazing considering 60+ lawsuits have been unable to do so. Also, got any evidence Biden has dementia?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

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As somebody who started as a trump supporter during the 2016 election cycle, I became aware of what trump had done in his past, at that point I switched. I could not stand for several of the things trump had done in his past. I started supporting Hillary. When Trump won, instead of talking about impeaching him before he was inaugurated, I gave him a chance. In the past 4 years, there was historically low unemployment rate. The United States economy was at the highest peak ever, under President Trump. Yes there was the high unemployment rate during the time of Coronavirus, but with the Coronavirus, it makes sense to have a historically low unemployment rate during that time. He imposed the travel ban from China in order to slow the spread. He gave every bit of help he could to combat Covid, while still being reasonable. At that time he was not my favorite choice. I loved Andrew Yang. I hope Andrew Yang runs again in 2024, when he dropped out, I went to Buttigieg, then onto Warren. At that point there were only two other legitimate options other than Trump, those two were Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden. Bernie Sanders would turn America into a socialist country. Joe Biden, is old, frail, and has dementia. People who are experts at diagnosing and recognizing Dementia have said that he does. The only other logical choice at that point was Trump. I hit myself every time I voiced my support for Trump. At this point, I believe he was cheated, look at the affidavits, the trump administration has. They have tens of thousands. Especially with the Three o'clock dump of ballots, that all somehow went to Biden. That does not make sense. Several hundred thousand ballots all dropped off at the same time, go to Biden. There would have been at least several thousand of those hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped off at Three AM, and that is even a stretch of how many ballots should have if they were even legitimate at all. There is something that does not quite add up with that. a third of the those who voted, made up of republicans, democrats, and third parties believe there was a very substantial amount of voter fraud. I stand with that group of people. On inauguration day, Biden will become my president, unless results are somehow overturned, at this late stage. I do hope, that Andrew Yang will be put on the Biden administration. I think Andrew Yang would make an excellent Secretary of Commerce, as he understands what is happening to our economy in the coming years. He also understands what needs to be done.

there was no fraud.

Andrew Yang is likely to run for mayor of NYC.

I want Andrew Yang to be the mayor in my town.

[Esalia]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/531315-number-of-house-republicans-back-effort-to-object-to-election-certification

A number of house Republicans say they will object the results on January 6th. If this is the hill they want to die on by all means proceed. It will be used against them in future elections.

I fully expect that the Dems won't weaponise stuff like this properly, or at least the moderates won't.

I fully expect them to try to be nice to the Republicans when they really should be beating the drum hard about how shitty the Republicans have been.

He gave every bit of help he could to combat Covid, while still being reasonable.

He didn't.

He wilfully spread misinformation about Covid. He actively made it worse with his rhetoric. That's not "every bit of help".

At this point, I believe he was cheated, look at the affidavits, the trump administration has. They have tens of thousands.

Cool, Trump found a bunch of people to say "hey they rigged the election!".

You know what he didn't find? Enough evidence to win any of the 70-something lawsuits he lost.

Especially with the Three o'clock dump of ballots, that all somehow went to Biden. That does not make sense. Several hundred thousand ballots all dropped off at the same time, go to Biden. There would have been at least several thousand of those hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped off at Three AM, and that is even a stretch of how many ballots should have if they were even legitimate at all. There is something that does not quite add up with that.

It easily adds up.

Biden encouraged people to vote by mail, Trump discouraged it. Mail-in votes were therefore going to swing heavily to Biden.

Report mail-in votes in large dumps, and boom. Hundreds of thousands of ballots at a time going mostly to Biden.

a third of the those who voted, made up of republicans, democrats, and third parties believe there was a very substantial amount of voter fraud.

Which means jack shit, because what people believe and what actually happened aren't the same thing.

At least you'll accept Biden as the president.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

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Can confirm.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Wait... what? The Dalai Lama made it into that because reasons?

Batshit.

Standing with the people of Israel, Tibet, and Venezuela, and maintaining a strong military with the aim of keeping China in its place? Sounds good to me.

Mhm, no doubt you think this is good. But I’m sure someone who isn’t living in the US and who doesn’t vote or have a say in election and government results here should be listened to and his opinion respected. Mhm.

Get real. Who cares what you think. You’re opinion means nothing.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Holy fuck the COVID and general appropriations bill is dogshit lmao

It includes such high priorities like

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The money for the Space Force sounds pretty good

[Kowani]

Standing with the people of Israel, Tibet, and Venezuela, and maintaining a strong military with the aim of keeping China in its place? Sounds good to me.

Mhm, no doubt you think this is good. But I’m sure someone who isn’t living in the US and who doesn’t vote or have a say in election and government results here should be listened to and his opinion respected. Mhm.

Get real. Who cares what you think. You’re opinion means nothing.

Nana, no le tenia q’mata

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Mhm, no doubt you think this is good. But I’m sure someone who isn’t living in the US and who doesn’t vote or have a say in election and government results here should be listened to and his opinion respected. Mhm.

Get real. Who cares what you think. You’re opinion means nothing.

Nana, no le tenia q’mata

Ya la gente así me la suda.

[Myrth]

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As somebody who started as a trump supporter during the 2016 election cycle, I became aware of what trump had done in his past, at that point I switched. I could not stand for several of the things trump had done in his past. I started supporting Hillary. When Trump won, instead of talking about impeaching him before he was inaugurated, I gave him a chance. In the past 4 years, there was historically low unemployment rate. The United States economy was at the highest peak ever, under President Trump. Yes there was the high unemployment rate during the time of Coronavirus, but with the Coronavirus, it makes sense to have a historically low unemployment rate during that time. He imposed the travel ban from China in order to slow the spread. He gave every bit of help he could to combat Covid, while still being reasonable. At that time he was not my favorite choice. I loved Andrew Yang. I hope Andrew Yang runs again in 2024, when he dropped out, I went to Buttigieg, then onto Warren. At that point there were only two other legitimate options other than Trump, those two were Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden. Bernie Sanders would turn America into a socialist country. Joe Biden, is old, frail, and has dementia. People who are experts at diagnosing and recognizing Dementia have said that he does. The only other logical choice at that point was Trump. I hit myself every time I voiced my support for Trump. At this point, I believe he was cheated, look at the affidavits, the trump administration has. They have tens of thousands. Especially with the Three o'clock dump of ballots, that all somehow went to Biden. That does not make sense. Several hundred thousand ballots all dropped off at the same time, go to Biden. There would have been at least several thousand of those hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped off at Three AM, and that is even a stretch of how many ballots should have if they were even legitimate at all. There is something that does not quite add up with that. a third of the those who voted, made up of republicans, democrats, and third parties believe there was a very substantial amount of voter fraud. I stand with that group of people. On inauguration day, Biden will become my president, unless results are somehow overturned, at this late stage. I do hope, that Andrew Yang will be put on the Biden administration. I think Andrew Yang would make an excellent Secretary of Commerce, as he understands what is happening to our economy in the coming years. He also understands what needs to be done.

From what I can tell his unemployment numbers where slightly lower then average and that was the continuation of a trend started during the obama administration. I am sure you can provide actual evidence for the fraud, though that would be rather amazing considering 60+ lawsuits have been unable to do so. Also, got any evidence Biden has dementia?

Of course he doesn't, to either point. There was fraud in the election, and in fact in Pennsylvania a case of voter fraud is now being prosecuted by the courts after real, actual evidence was turned up. It was a Trump supporter who registered and voted twice, once under the name of his recently deceased mother. So there you have it, folks. MASSIVE FRAUD! Only it was 1 vote and it was by a Trump voter.

As to Biden having dementia, this is clearly nonsense. Looking at the evidence, that is to say interviews, public appearances etc. it appears to be Trump that has dementia. Listen to the way he talks. He'll lose his train of thought midway through a sentence and veer off completely. It's likely his trip to the hospital (when Mike Pence was recalled to DC, and there's only one reason a VP might get recalled to DC) was for a minor stroke. Trump is old, fat and unfit. Major risk factors.

[Kowani]

Nana, no le tenia q’mata

Ya la gente así me la suda.

Ya’ve…

[Omniabstracta]

According to Pence, the Democrats want to make rich people poorer, and poor people more comfortable, the horror.

If only neoliberals really did, Mike, if only...

[Shrillland]

According to Pence, the Democrats want to make rich people poorer, and poor people more comfortable, the horror.

If only neoliberals really did, Mike, if only...

Comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable? That almost sounds like those communist tracts...what are they called...oh, yes. The Gospels.

[Esalia]

According to Pence, the Democrats want to make rich people poorer, and poor people more comfortable, the horror.

If only neoliberals really did, Mike, if only...

"Right winger says something about centrists that I wish was true", example #2354.

[Kowani]

So, in bittersweet news: Congress restores Medicaid they had promised to, and then revoked from Marshall Islanders after illnesses caused by US nuclear tests.


Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) are working to block Biden from being able to rejoin either the Paris Climate Agreement or the Iran nuclear deal

[Shazbotdom]

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As somebody who started as a trump supporter during the 2016 election cycle, I became aware of what trump had done in his past, at that point I switched. I could not stand for several of the things trump had done in his past. I started supporting Hillary. When Trump won, instead of talking about impeaching him before he was inaugurated, I gave him a chance. In the past 4 years, there was historically low unemployment rate. The United States economy was at the highest peak ever, under President Trump. Yes there was the high unemployment rate during the time of Coronavirus, but with the Coronavirus, it makes sense to have a historically low unemployment rate during that time. He imposed the travel ban from China in order to slow the spread. He gave every bit of help he could to combat Covid, while still being reasonable. At that time he was not my favorite choice. I loved Andrew Yang. I hope Andrew Yang runs again in 2024, when he dropped out, I went to Buttigieg, then onto Warren. At that point there were only two other legitimate options other than Trump, those two were Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden. Bernie Sanders would turn America into a socialist country. Joe Biden, is old, frail, and has dementia. People who are experts at diagnosing and recognizing Dementia have said that he does. The only other logical choice at that point was Trump.

There's always another choice. The whole "we live in a 2 party system, so you must vote for the lesser of two evils" has caused all the craziness in this country. But that's all I will say about that.

I hit myself every time I voiced my support for Trump.

You should never hit yourself, if you truly believe in the candidate.

At this point, I believe he was cheated, look at the affidavits, the trump administration has. They have tens of thousands.

Affidavits do not mean proof. If there really was proof, like they are claiming, then the Supreme Court would have heard one or both of the cases that went before them.

Especially with the Three o'clock dump of ballots, that all somehow went to Biden. That does not make sense. Several hundred thousand ballots all dropped off at the same time, go to Biden. There would have been at least several thousand of those hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped off at Three AM, and that is even a stretch of how many ballots should have if they were even legitimate at all.

When you have Trump saying for months "Mail-in ballots are a fraud, you can't trust them" and telling his supports NOT to vote by mail, this is what happens. Those ballots that were 'dropped off' at 3:00 am were the mail-in ballots. Especially since, by the law of those states, those ballots cannot be counted before election day. So, logically, the people who voted by mail would not be Trump supporters because of his disregard for what a Mail-in Ballot is (especially since a few states already do it, and have done it, for years with little to no problems) and the process of how they work.

There is something that does not quite add up with that. a third of the those who voted, made up of republicans, democrats, and third parties believe there was a very substantial amount of voter fraud. I stand with that group of people.

It doesn't add up because you seem to be believing the hype of the conspiracy theories. You can't have a conspiracy that includes the number of people (hundreds upon hundreds of people) that Trump and his supporters are claiming.

On inauguration day, Biden will become my president, unless results are somehow overturned, at this late stage. I do hope, that Andrew Yang will be put on the Biden administration. I think Andrew Yang would make an excellent Secretary of Commerce, as he understands what is happening to our economy in the coming years. He also understands what needs to be done.

No comment on this.

[Valrifell]

So, in bittersweet news: Congress restores Medicaid they had promised to, and then revoked from Marshall Islanders after illnesses caused by US nuclear tests.


Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) are working to block Biden from being able to rejoin either the Paris Climate Agreement or the Iran nuclear deal

Okay guys the American Experiment v.2 failed. Let's get the lads to Philly and try for v.3.

[The Three Palins]

According to Pence, the Democrats want to make rich people poorer, and poor people more comfortable, the horror.

If only neoliberals really did, Mike, if only...

Comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable? That almost sounds like those communist tracts...what are they called...oh, yes. The Gospels.

The social policy might be far right, but economically that Jesus fellow had some good ideas!

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Wait... what? The Dalai Lama made it into that because reasons?

Batshit.

Standing with the people of Israel, Tibet, and Venezuela, and maintaining a strong military with the aim of keeping China in its place? Sounds good to me.

So much for America first. Israel can fight its own preemptive wars.

[The Three Palins]

The money for the Space Force sounds pretty good

It was Congress's baby all along. 377–48 in the House and 86–8 in the Senate.

[The Black Forrest]

Please read all the way through.
As somebody who started as a trump supporter during the 2016 election cycle, I became aware of what trump had done in his past, at that point I switched. I could not stand for several of the things trump had done in his past. I started supporting Hillary. When Trump won, instead of talking about impeaching him before he was inaugurated, I gave him a chance. In the past 4 years, there was historically low unemployment rate. The United States economy was at the highest peak ever, under President Trump. Yes there was the high unemployment rate during the time of Coronavirus, but with the Coronavirus, it makes sense to have a historically low unemployment rate during that time.

Actually that sounds like Trump talk. The economy hasn’t been the highest ever. The trends are in line with what Obama started. There have been other periods where the economy was much better. I think the 50s beat it soundly IIRC.

Unemployment again was in line with Obama. Covid dropped it and the economy. The economy is getting better. However, the losses haven’t recovered yet.

He imposed the travel ban from China in order to slow the spread.

That one did very little as the ban was only for Chinese nationals. Americans going to and from were allowed. A friend visited his family and planned to be in quarantined when he returned. He was passed through.

The infection introductions were largely from Europe.

He gave every bit of help he could to combat Covid, while still being reasonable.

That is one of his endless lies. A very big one in fact. He did very little and seriously discussed if not considered doing nothing and allowing the pandemic to run amuck. Even now he still gets annoyed by masks and social distancing. He got several secret service infected when he wanted to go out and see his adoring fans. The White House became a hot spot and still functions as one as he continued to hold gatherings with little if any masks and social distancing.

You will have to look for the Bernstein tapes where he said he didn’t say anything as he didn’t want to panic people. Not panicking people is speaking calmly and confidently discussing the plans to combat the pandemic. He had no plan and he really lacks empathy.

At that time he was not my favorite choice. I loved Andrew Yang. I hope Andrew Yang runs again in 2024, when he dropped out, I went to Buttigieg, then onto Warren. At that point there were only two other legitimate options other than Trump, those two were Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden. Bernie Sanders would turn America into a socialist country.

Joe Biden, is old, frail, and has dementia. People who are experts at diagnosing and recognizing Dementia have said that he does.

That is another Trump lie. His “dementia” many times is his pausing to control his stutter. Trump does have a history of making fun of people with disabilities.

Who are these experts? I have read a few times the claims of experts and never seen a name.

The only other logical choice at that point was Trump. I hit myself every time I voiced my support for Trump. At this point, I believe he was cheated, look at the affidavits, the trump administration has.

You have conflicting statements. You don’t like supporting Trump and yet he was cheated? Trump lost. To Trump he can only lose if he was cheated.

They have tens of thousands. Especially with the Three o'clock dump of ballots, that all somehow went to Biden. That does not make sense. Several hundred thousand ballots all dropped off at the same time, go to Biden. There would have been at least several thousand of those hundreds of thousands of ballots dropped off at Three AM, and that is even a stretch of how many ballots should have if they were even legitimate at all.

More Trump lies. The ballots are not just a blank paper. They are verified and have IDs. For example; I use what Trump declared a con; the email ballot. I got two. It was due to being an absentee voter as there weren’t enough poll workers for an election and then signing up for the current one. I voted one and destroyed the other. I checked online and they listed both. One voted and one not.

If the evidence was so damning; why didn’t they present it in court?

There is something that does not quite add up with that. a third of the those who voted, made up of republicans, democrats, and third parties believe there was a very substantial amount of voter fraud. I stand with that group of people.

More Trump lies.

There is always voter fraud. People are that way. This time you also had trumpets trying to commit voter fraud to prove there was a problem.

Trump lied about the amount of voter fraud with email ballots. The states of Colorado and Oregon reported they used it for decades. About 30 million votes (Not exact as I don’t remember the total at the moment). The damning evidence against Trump’s claims? They had a grand total of 22 fraudulent votes.

On inauguration day, Biden will become my president, unless results are somehow overturned, at this late stage. I do hope, that Andrew Yang will be put on the Biden administration. I think Andrew Yang would make an excellent Secretary of Commerce, as he understands what is happening to our economy in the coming years. He also understands what needs to be done.

Time will tell.

[Bombadil]

Really don't understand how you can fundamentally support Andrew Yang but then skip Biden on your way to supporting Trump..

..otherwise I think we're closing on the dream of Trump being forcibly removed from the WH, he seems mad enough to create that requirement.

I can't wait.

[Cannot think of a name]

Really don't understand how you can fundamentally support Andrew Yang but then skip Biden on your way to supporting Trump..

..otherwise I think we're closing on the dream of Trump being forcibly removed from the WH, he seems mad enough to create that requirement.

I can't wait.

I’m not yet convinced. Post January 6th will tell the tale.

[Bombadil]

Really don't understand how you can fundamentally support Andrew Yang but then skip Biden on your way to supporting Trump..

..otherwise I think we're closing on the dream of Trump being forcibly removed from the WH, he seems mad enough to create that requirement.

I can't wait.

I’m not yet convinced. Post January 6th will tell the tale.

He's getting worse not better..

The closer the president gets to removal from office, the more volatile he becomes, and the more wild his invective grows. According to Olivia Nuzzi of New York magazine, since election day White House aides have been “outright avoiding the president out of concern he might end up using any nearby staffer as a human stress ball”.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Standing with the people of Israel, Tibet, and Venezuela, and maintaining a strong military with the aim of keeping China in its place? Sounds good to me.

So much for America first. Israel can fight its own preemptive wars.

No no, see, America first means sending Americans to fight Israeli wars

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So much for America first. Israel can fight its own preemptive wars.

No no, see, America first means sending Americans to fight Israeli wars

America first...in line to fight for other countries.