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Postby Celritannia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:53 pm

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Again, our means must remain good.


What you think is "good", is causing mental strain and depression for others.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:56 pm

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Sundiata wrote:Because the Catholic Church is the church that Jesus founded and that St. Peter (the first Pope) is the rock of. Christ himself elevated marriage and its importance.


Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

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Postby Loben III » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:56 pm

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Kannap wrote:
Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.


nor was he a hippie, despite certain peoples ramblings.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:57 pm

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Sundiata wrote:Christ was not a politican.


nor was he a hippie, despite certain peoples ramblings.

Exactly.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:58 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.

That is a lovely non-sequitur.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:59 pm

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I'd bet money the overwhelming majority of those people willingly got married, ya know, and weren't forced to do so.


emphasis on loveless marriage.


Sundiata wants to force homosexuals to marry people of the opposite sex and procreate to find fulfillment.

The emphasis of the sentence was on the idea of being forced into a loveless marriage, not the loveless marriage itself.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:59 pm

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Kannap wrote:
Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.


Not sure how that holds any relevance.
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:01 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:Do you honestly believe that a loving creator, that gave its creations free will and the capacity for reason, would rather they not exercise those gifts?

Reason is not to be utilized for its own narrow sake, but for the sake of sanctification. We have free will so we can adequately love God in return. It's a choice, ideally a reasonable choice to marry a man and woman.

And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:03 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Reason is not to be utilized for its own narrow sake, but for the sake of sanctification. We have free will so we can adequately love God in return. It's a choice, ideally a reasonable choice to marry a man and woman.

And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.
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Postby Loben III » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:04 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.


im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:04 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law.

Does not answer the question. You are still ignoring the harm you are doing to children, let alone to the same sex parents.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:08 pm

Loben III wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.


im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?

Then the marriage is legally valid. Not divinely. I want marriages to be both divinely and legally valid.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:08 pm

Loben III wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.


im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?


That civil law is obviously incompatible and illegitimate in Sundiata's global Catholic theocracy.
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:08 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.

What is natural law? What is divine law? How do you know divine will?
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:09 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.


I'm going to appeal to the Divine Supreme Court.
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:09 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Loben III wrote:
im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?

Then the marriage is legally valid. Not divinely. I want marriages to be both divinely and legally valid.

sounds like the divine's problem honestly
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Postby Loben III » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:09 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Loben III wrote:
im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?

Then the marriage is legally valid. Not divinely. I want marriages to be both divinely and legally valid.


legally valid from their standpoint is all that matters.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:10 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.

And what is natural law? Because, in the actual wild, in nature, homosexual behaviour happens.
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Postby Loben III » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:10 pm

Kannap wrote:
Loben III wrote:
im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?


That civil law is obviously incompatible and illegitimate in Sundiata's global Catholic theocracy.


i wouldnt worry about him, hes a minority in that Papal camp.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:10 pm

Loben III wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Then the marriage is legally valid. Not divinely. I want marriages to be both divinely and legally valid.


legally valid from their standpoint is all that matters.


My church also gives me the green light, which also matters to me and probably also the majority of LGBT people who are religious.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:11 pm

Loben III wrote:
Kannap wrote:
That civil law is obviously incompatible and illegitimate in Sundiata's global Catholic theocracy.


i wouldnt worry about him, hes a minority in that Papal camp.


Fortunately.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:11 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Loben III wrote:
im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?

Then the marriage is legally valid. Not divinely. I want marriages to be both divinely and legally valid.


Really, that's not up to you to decide.

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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:15 pm

Kannap wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.


I'm going to appeal to the Divine Supreme Court.

The closest thing I can think of is the magesterium of the church. You're free to make your case to a bishop to ensure that your concern is likely to be raised before the Pope and the next ecumenical council of the church.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:16 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Then the marriage is legally valid. Not divinely. I want marriages to be both divinely and legally valid.


Really, that's not up to you to decide.

I know, I don't decide.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:17 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I'm going to appeal to the Divine Supreme Court.

The closest thing I can think of is the magesterium of the church. You're free to make your case to a bishop to ensure that your concern is likely to be raised before the Pope and the next ecumenical council of the church.


I said the Divine Supreme Court, not your silly mortal leadership. You guys can pretend to play God all you want, but I don't worship you or your Bishops or your silly hat wearing Pope.
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