Japanese Politics Thread

[Sanghyeok]

I think the current state of JSDF is fine, if only they don't have aircraft carriers. As I said before, they need to recognize their actions in WWII before getting more military capacity. And I mean actual sincere apology, not whatever PM Abe and the right has been doing. Look at Germany, for example.

They don't have aircraft carriers, they have helicopter destroyers!

They are outfitted for operations with fighter jets. That is most certainly an aircraft carrier in all but name.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Japanese militarism is well-warranted when your neighbor is China.

No. Post-war Japanese militarism is, aside from its original roots, the outgrowth of bitterness over the loss in WW2. It is the project of reactionaries who want a return to the old glory. That's not the same as maintaining the JSDF the way it was intended, which was as a self defense force.

Exactly. Japanese militarism these days is mostly denying various WWII atrocities, advancing territorial claims (while simultaneously pretending the Ryukyuans and Ainu don't exist and the Yamato are the only Japanese) and certain fringe groups advocating for increased imperial power/a return to absolute monarchy. If you let them take power, it's just going to be a rerun of the Showa period.

[Sanghyeok]

If you let them take power, it's just going to be a rerun of the Showa period.

Korea and China shudder

[Nazeroth]

As someone who knows absolutely nothing about Japanese politics I want to know if anyone can tell us what kind of a guy he was. Like I am genuinely curious. And just google searching for data on political figures tends not to give unbiased or even sane results most of the time so I won't even try. Better to ask someone who is actually familiar with the situation.

He seems nice and polite for the cameras but in reality he's generally an ultra-nationalist, sexist, homophobic, pro-big business (IE: Why should it be illegal to force employees to work 12+ hours a day?), anti-immigrant, historical revisionist who's an open member of a Japanese ultra-nationalist political club.

However, he's almost completely ineffective and has barely gotten anything done in the past decade or so he's been in office.

I mean I don't really understand why that's controversial. Turkey, China, Russia etc all do that and they are hardly called out on it.

[Sanghyeok]

He seems nice and polite for the cameras but in reality he's generally an ultra-nationalist, sexist, homophobic, pro-big business (IE: Why should it be illegal to force employees to work 12+ hours a day?), anti-immigrant, historical revisionist who's an open member of a Japanese ultra-nationalist political club.

However, he's almost completely ineffective and has barely gotten anything done in the past decade or so he's been in office.

I mean I don't really understand why that's controversial. Turkey, China, Russia etc all do that and they are hardly called out on it.

Because media tends to target their government instead.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

He seems nice and polite for the cameras but in reality he's generally an ultra-nationalist, sexist, homophobic, pro-big business (IE: Why should it be illegal to force employees to work 12+ hours a day?), anti-immigrant, historical revisionist who's an open member of a Japanese ultra-nationalist political club.

However, he's almost completely ineffective and has barely gotten anything done in the past decade or so he's been in office.

I mean I don't really understand why that's controversial. Turkey, China, Russia etc all do that and they are hardly called out on it.

If that was the standard, no human rights abuses would be controversial, because those human rights abuses probably already happened in some minor authoritarian African nation or in Central Asia.

[Kiu Ghesik]

I mean I don't really understand why that's controversial. Turkey, China, Russia etc all do that and they are hardly called out on it.

If that was the standard, no human rights abuses would be controversial, because those human rights abuses probably already happened in some minor authoritarian African nation or in Central Asia.

I mean human rights abuses weren't really controversial on a broad scale until the 1800s so

[Sanghyeok]

If that was the standard, no human rights abuses would be controversial, because those human rights abuses probably already happened in some minor authoritarian African nation or in Central Asia.

I mean human rights abuses weren't really controversial on a broad scale until the 1800s so

Concept of "human rights" didn't really become known until UN started promotion.

[Nazeroth]

I mean I don't really understand why that's controversial. Turkey, China, Russia etc all do that and they are hardly called out on it.

If that was the standard, no human rights abuses would be controversial, because those human rights abuses probably already happened in some minor authoritarian African nation or in Central Asia.

it sort of is the standard, pretty much the ONLY nations that are actually called to the chopping block are western euro nations and israel.

Turkey can dunk it's nuts on NATO and the EU and they just take it like a cuck.

[Sanghyeok]

Well, when it controls the Black Sea Strait, it's quite important. Not saying that's a good thing but...

[Shrillland]

Well, Abe's legacy was mixed. His tenure did indeed, as many have pointed out, see the final end of the economic malaise of the 90s and 2000s, but he was also a social revisionist who often visited Yasukuni, often tried to sponge history books concerning the war, and wanted to see Japan have proper armed forces again despite the people's opposition. As to who'll succeed him, based on Wiki's descriptions of the possible contenders, the LDP are a cautious lot, so despite what think, I don't think Aso will be the one they finally choose. He's already 80 and since Abe left for health reasons they may be shy to pick on otherwise straight-arrow candidate. Most of his cabinet are Nippon Kaigi members, and the ones that aren't aren't especially interested in running. Time will tell who'll go up.

[Nazeroth]

Well, when it controls the Black Sea Strait, it's quite important. Not saying that's a good thing but...

Nothing says we stand against tyranny than cucking to the people who commit genocide against the kurds and can freely ignore it while western nations suffer from hundred year old disputes.

[Sanghyeok]

Geopolitical movements like this are not about 'tyranny' there are about maintaining power.

[Nazeroth]

Geopolitical movements like this are not about 'tyranny' there are about maintaining power.

sure, but still, we are excusing Turkish brutality and genocide

so all im saying is, we can't really judge anyone of these people if we can't even hold up our own standards.

[Sanghyeok]

Geopolitical movements like this are not about 'tyranny' there are about maintaining power.

sure, but still, we are excusing Turkish brutality and genocide

so all im saying is, we can't really judge anyone of these people if we can't even hold up our own standards.

No country is innocent, every country has double standards. They will do what is best for their country, even if it means ignoring their morals.

[Nazeroth]

sure, but still, we are excusing Turkish brutality and genocide

so all im saying is, we can't really judge anyone of these people if we can't even hold up our own standards.

No country is innocent, every country has double standards. They will do what is best for their country, even if it means ignoring their morals.

Not really, the West is held to standards that the other nations are absolutley NOT held to, and yet are criticized.

Shinzo Abe did what was best for his nation, he wasn't perfect and he had his faults but he definatley secured Japanese traditions, morality and culture. Something that the rest of the world is praised when they do, but for some reason when a western or western aligned nation does it it's "concerning"

[Sanghyeok]

No country is innocent, every country has double standards. They will do what is best for their country, even if it means ignoring their morals.

Not really, the West is held to standards that the other nations are absolutley NOT held to, and yet are criticized.

Shinzo Abe did what was best for his nation, he wasn't perfect and he had his faults but he definatley secured Japanese traditions, morality and culture. Something that the rest of the world is praised when they do, but for some reason when a western or western aligned nation does it it's "concerning"

What do you mean he secured Japanese traditions and morality?

[Duvniask]

No country is innocent, every country has double standards. They will do what is best for their country, even if it means ignoring their morals.

Not really, the West is held to standards that the other nations are absolutley NOT held to, and yet are criticized.

Shinzo Abe did what was best for his nation, he wasn't perfect and he had his faults but he definatley secured Japanese traditions, morality and culture. Something that the rest of the world is praised when they do, but for some reason when a western or western aligned nation does it it's "concerning"

The fuck are you even talking about?

[Nazeroth]

Not really, the West is held to standards that the other nations are absolutley NOT held to, and yet are criticized.

Shinzo Abe did what was best for his nation, he wasn't perfect and he had his faults but he definatley secured Japanese traditions, morality and culture. Something that the rest of the world is praised when they do, but for some reason when a western or western aligned nation does it it's "concerning"

What do you mean he secured Japanese traditions and morality?

He was a conservative and a traditionalist from what I know which is great which means he worked in the interests of Japan, it's people, it's culture and traditions.

[Sanghyeok]

What do you mean he secured Japanese traditions and morality?

He was a conservative and a traditionalist from what I know which is great which means he worked in the interests of Japan, it's people, it's culture and traditions.

Do you know meaning of "conservative" in Japan? He denied war crimes of the IJA in WWII, often visited a shrine honoring war criminals, and supported textbooks saying Nanjing Massacre and Korean comfort women didn't happen. Can you imagine if some Germany Chancellor denied the war crimes of the Wehrmacht, went to Nazi burial sites with flowers, and rewrote curriculum to say Holocaust never happened?

Also if he truly cares about Japanese people, maybe he can try to increase childcare to life burden on Japanese women and try harder for more worker's rights. Not just yell at Korea and China.

[Duvniask]

What do you mean he secured Japanese traditions and morality?

He was a conservative and a traditionalist from what I know which is great which means he worked in the interests of Japan, it's people, it's culture and traditions.

So you have no idea what he's done and you're just talking out of your ass?

[Nazeroth]

He was a conservative and a traditionalist from what I know which is great which means he worked in the interests of Japan, it's people, it's culture and traditions.

Do you know meaning of "conservative" in Japan? He denied war crimes of the IJA in WWII, often visited a shrine honoring war criminals, and supported textbooks saying Nanjing Massacre and Korean comfort women didn't happen. Can you imagine if some Germany Chancellor denied the war crimes of the Wehrmacht, went to Nazi burial sites with flowers, and rewrote curriculum to say Holocaust never happened?

I fail to see how that's relevant, nations across the entire world deny prior war crimes.

Hell, the Turks name their warships after Ottoman conquerors and enslavers, so?

[Shrillland]

Do you know meaning of "conservative" in Japan? He denied war crimes of the IJA in WWII, often visited a shrine honoring war criminals, and supported textbooks saying Nanjing Massacre and Korean comfort women didn't happen. Can you imagine if some Germany Chancellor denied the war crimes of the Wehrmacht, went to Nazi burial sites with flowers, and rewrote curriculum to say Holocaust never happened?

I fail to see how that's relevant, nations across the entire world deny prior war crimes.

Hell, the Turks name their warships after Ottoman conquerors and enslavers, so?

Yes, and we actually do condemn Turkey for denying what happened to the Armenians, believe it or not.

[Nazeroth]

I fail to see how that's relevant, nations across the entire world deny prior war crimes.

Hell, the Turks name their warships after Ottoman conquerors and enslavers, so?

Yes, and we actually do condemn Turkey for denying what happened to the Armenians, believe it or not.

we don't really do shit about it, other than going " yeah that's bad but uhhh...here are more weapons and you can bully other members of our military alliance"

I actually respect Turkey quite a bit, they value their civilization, show strength, preserve their history and basically can tell everyone to fuck off.

also Turkish food, good as hell.

[Duvniask]

Yes, and we actually do condemn Turkey for denying what happened to the Armenians, believe it or not.

we don't really do shit about it, other than going " yeah that's bad but uhhh...here are more weapons and you can bully other members of our military alliance"

I actually respect Turkey quite a bit, they value their civilization, show strength, preserve their history and basically can tell everyone to fuck off.

also Turkish food, good as hell.

Pure bullshit meant to make you feel better about genocide denial. "Showing strength" is Turkey oppressing Kurds. "Preserving history" is just cover for reactionary nonsense. Turkey is useful as a matter of realpolitik. No one likes that Turkey engages in genocide denial and oppression of ethnic minorities, just as no one likes that China does the same. Everyone and their mother criticizes China for its actions against Hong Kong and the Uyghurs. Your idea of the West being the sole target of criticism over human rights abuses is a big pile of bullshit you pulled right out of your ass. The West is just more honest about it, plus we're allowed to talk about it without the government cracking down.

You know nothing about Abe, yet praise him as if you do, and you don't understand the discourse of atrocities either. Go back to the Abyss and let the adults talk.