MAGAThread XX: A Journal of the Plague Year

[Adamede]

I mean if past revolutions are anything to go off of she and her kid don’t get to live, let alone keep a portion of their wealth.

Well, I'm a nicer kind of revolutionary.

Maybe you are. Most aren’t. Most revolutions are bloody and dirty and filled with unjustifiable war crimes, and that will always be the case.

Just keep that in mind next time you’re day dreaming.

[Adamede]

Well, I'm a nicer kind of revolutionary.

The capitol storm was a good example of what a revolution in the US would look like tbh.

Far too little gunfire, bombings, and lynching for that to be the case.

Funny enough the pictures that did come out of the riots remind me of all those Renaissance and Enlightenment era paintings of the sack of Rome by the Barbarian tribes.

[Galloism]

Terrorism is likely true as well.

But again,

Considering that blowing up Congress would be an act of terrorism, it could well be an act of sedition along with terrorism depending on the prosecution.

But that is such an extreme example, compared to the sieging of Capitol Hill, that it was an actual act of Sedition.

And the point being made is that the motivation, which you've been relentlessly focusing on, is barely relevant to whether or not the act itself is sedition. But you keep coming back to pure motivations instead of the nature of the act.

A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they hate gun control. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they think Donald Trump won illegitimately in 2016. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they think Joe Biden won illegitimately in 2016. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they hate the amount of police use of force. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they think the government is controlled by lizard people and they don't want to answer to it anymore. Is this sedition?

[Galloism]

The capitol storm was a good example of what a revolution in the US would look like tbh.

Far too little gunfire, bombings, and lynching for that to be the case.

Funny enough the pictures that did come out of the riots remind me of all those Renaissance and Enlightenment era paintings of the sack of Rome by the Barbarian tribes.

It's the buffalo guy. His outfit skews the whole picture.

[Adamede]

I’m just putting Gallo’s “extreme” hypotheticals into context. Thing is they not that extreme at all.

They’re not telling you to sympathize with the rioters, they’re trying to explain why they did what they did, that’s because in their minds they think that they are the good guys. Evidence doesn’t fucking matter when it comes to that.

You however are moral grand standing for no reason.

What they think does not matter. It's an extreme act of violence that should not occur.

Thank you captain obvious.

However that literally solves nothing nor will it do anything to prevent something like this from happening again.

[Adamede]

Far too little gunfire, bombings, and lynching for that to be the case.

Funny enough the pictures that did come out of the riots remind me of all those Renaissance and Enlightenment era paintings of the sack of Rome by the Barbarian tribes.

It's the buffalo guy. His outfit skews the whole picture.

In part yes. Also helps that riot police remind me of Roman legionaries.

All I will say some funny memes have come out of this. I wonder if the same wood be been the case if the WRE had internet as well.

That also leaves me wondering where our Byzantium would be located.

[Kanaia]

Considering that blowing up Congress would be an act of terrorism, it could well be an act of sedition along with terrorism depending on the prosecution.

But that is such an extreme example, compared to the sieging of Capitol Hill, that it was an actual act of Sedition.

And the point being made is that the motivation, which you've been relentlessly focusing on, is barely relevant to whether or not the act itself is sedition. But you keep coming back to pure motivations instead of the nature of the act.

A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they hate gun control. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they think Donald Trump won illegitimately in 2016. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they think Joe Biden won illegitimately in 2016. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they hate the amount of police use of force. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they think the government is controlled by lizard people and they don't want to answer to it anymore. Is this sedition?

I don't understand why you can't grasp the difference between illegally occupying a random spot(s) in the US, and illegally occupying the US Capitol Building.

[Galloism]

And the point being made is that the motivation, which you've been relentlessly focusing on, is barely relevant to whether or not the act itself is sedition. But you keep coming back to pure motivations instead of the nature of the act.

A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they hate gun control. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they think Donald Trump won illegitimately in 2016. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they think Joe Biden won illegitimately in 2016. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they hate the amount of police use of force. Is this sedition?
A group seizes national territory, declares independence from the central government as an autonomous zone, sets up a national border, and puts armed checkpoints on said border, blocking police from entering and checking IDs before they allow people to pass because they think the government is controlled by lizard people and they don't want to answer to it anymore. Is this sedition?

I don't understand why you can't grasp the difference between illegally occupying a random spot(s) in the US, and illegally occupying the US Capitol Building.

Oh there is, but they are both part of an escalating pattern of violence. They both meet the definition of sedition, but one of sedition with secessionist underpinnings, while the other is sedition and attempted coup.

Naturally, an attempted coup is a worse form of sedition than just sedition with secessionist underpinnings.

[Senkaku]

For real though, I truly don't know whether I should see her as a hostage or a willing participant.

She renegotiated her prenup, and based on that leaked tape seems to agree with her husband on most political matters, so I’m leaning towards the latter. Marrying for money can be a surprisingly high-powered career for ambitious and avaricious people.

[The Black Forrest]

Melania trump complains.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics ... index.html

My sympathy for her continues to dissolve.

In my revolutionary fantasies, she's allowed to keep a few hundred thousand of the Trump fortune and take Baron and go live a quiet life somewhere while Don, Jr., Eric, and Ivanka are sent to labor camps but now I'm leaning more toward she doesn't get to keep any of the money.

(I'm being like 40% serious)

For real though, I truly don't know whether I should see her as a hostage or a willing participant.

People seemed to hope she was this wise sphinx in the background. They learned she was just a female version of him.

They deserve each other.

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It's truly astounding that Trump apparently wants Giuliani to represent him at the new impeachment trial, how has Trump not cut him loose? Overturning the election was an impossible task, the best lawyer in the world would have failed, but Giuliani was a terrible lawyer even relative to the ridiculous thing he was trying to accomplish. He literally forgot what one of his lawsuits was even about and argued about a separate issue before a judge.

Why would Trump keep him? It seems unlikely that Trump has any sense of loyalty, so what does that leave? The delusion that Giuliani is actually doing a good job? Even Ted Bundy representing himself had a better sense of how well his defense was going.

[Celritannia]

I don't understand why you can't grasp the difference between illegally occupying a random spot(s) in the US, and illegally occupying the US Capitol Building.

Oh there is, but they are both part of an escalating pattern of violence. They both meet the definition of sedition, but one of sedition with secessionist underpinnings, while the other is sedition and attempted coup.

Naturally, an attempted coup is a worse form of sedition than just sedition with secessionist underpinnings.

This extreme centrist view point is dangerous.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It's truly astounding that Trump apparently wants Giuliani to represent him at the new impeachment trial, how has Trump not cut him loose? Overturning the election was an impossible task, the best lawyer in the world would have failed, but Giuliani was a terrible lawyer even relative to the ridiculous thing he was trying to accomplish. He literally forgot what one of his lawsuits was even about and argued about a separate issue before a judge.

Why would Trump keep him? It seems unlikely that Trump has any sense of loyalty, so what does that leave? The delusion that Giuliani is actually doing a good job? Even Ted Bundy representing himself had a better sense of how well his defense was going.

Let Rudy do it, and watch as Trump becomes America's first head of state to be convicted in an impeachment trial.

[Celritannia]

What they think does not matter. It's an extreme act of violence that should not occur.

Thank you captain obvious.

However that literally solves nothing nor will it do anything to prevent something like this from happening again.

It would have been prevented had they stationed the National Guard there, like with the BLM protests in DC.
But w/e.

[Ifreann]

It's truly astounding that Trump apparently wants Giuliani to represent him at the new impeachment trial, how has Trump not cut him loose? Overturning the election was an impossible task, the best lawyer in the world would have failed, but Giuliani was a terrible lawyer even relative to the ridiculous thing he was trying to accomplish. He literally forgot what one of his lawsuits was even about and argued about a separate issue before a judge.

Why would Trump keep him? It seems unlikely that Trump has any sense of loyalty, so what does that leave? The delusion that Giuliani is actually doing a good job? Even Ted Bundy representing himself had a better sense of how well his defense was going.

Trump probably believes his own hype about corrupt judges and all that shit. So he probably thinks that Giuliani actually is doing a good job despite the total lack of results.

[Nakena]

It's truly astounding that Trump apparently wants Giuliani to represent him at the new impeachment trial, how has Trump not cut him loose? Overturning the election was an impossible task, the best lawyer in the world would have failed, but Giuliani was a terrible lawyer even relative to the ridiculous thing he was trying to accomplish. He literally forgot what one of his lawsuits was even about and argued about a separate issue before a judge.

Why would Trump keep him? It seems unlikely that Trump has any sense of loyalty, so what does that leave? The delusion that Giuliani is actually doing a good job? Even Ted Bundy representing himself had a better sense of how well his defense was going.

They do have a special relationship.

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It's truly astounding that Trump apparently wants Giuliani to represent him at the new impeachment trial, how has Trump not cut him loose? Overturning the election was an impossible task, the best lawyer in the world would have failed, but Giuliani was a terrible lawyer even relative to the ridiculous thing he was trying to accomplish. He literally forgot what one of his lawsuits was even about and argued about a separate issue before a judge.

Why would Trump keep him? It seems unlikely that Trump has any sense of loyalty, so what does that leave? The delusion that Giuliani is actually doing a good job? Even Ted Bundy representing himself had a better sense of how well his defense was going.

Let Rudy do it, and watch as Trump becomes America's first head of state to be convicted in an impeachment trial.

It might actually be possible Rudy sucks so much that he blows the unconditional acquittal Trump would have gotten from every Republican except probably Romney and Murkowski.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Let Rudy do it, and watch as Trump becomes America's first head of state to be convicted in an impeachment trial.

It might actually be possible Rudy sucks so much that he blows the unconditional acquittal Trump would have gotten from every Republican except probably Romney and Murkowski.

Imma just ready the popcorn as we watch a man we got on video demanding trials by combat attempt to excuse his and his boss's behaviour on the 6th.

[Kexholm Karelia]

It's truly astounding that Trump apparently wants Giuliani to represent him at the new impeachment trial, how has Trump not cut him loose? Overturning the election was an impossible task, the best lawyer in the world would have failed, but Giuliani was a terrible lawyer even relative to the ridiculous thing he was trying to accomplish. He literally forgot what one of his lawsuits was even about and argued about a separate issue before a judge.

Why would Trump keep him? It seems unlikely that Trump has any sense of loyalty, so what does that leave? The delusion that Giuliani is actually doing a good job? Even Ted Bundy representing himself had a better sense of how well his defense was going.

They do have a special relationship.

[Galloism]

Oh there is, but they are both part of an escalating pattern of violence. They both meet the definition of sedition, but one of sedition with secessionist underpinnings, while the other is sedition and attempted coup.

Naturally, an attempted coup is a worse form of sedition than just sedition with secessionist underpinnings.

This extreme centrist view point is dangerous.

It's really not an "extreme centrist view point". It's left wing viewpoint encouraging reflection. Escalating the violence the way we have all summer, and it being played on TV all summer, has had effect on the right wing as well. They now see that violence works because we showed them it works.

And Trump playing into that as well has certainly not helped matters (to say the absolute fucking least).

We're in for a rough time if we can't get together and stand down a bit.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Oh there is, but they are both part of an escalating pattern of violence. They both meet the definition of sedition, but one of sedition with secessionist underpinnings, while the other is sedition and attempted coup.

Naturally, an attempted coup is a worse form of sedition than just sedition with secessionist underpinnings.

This extreme centrist view point is dangerous.

"Extreme centrist"

Is that a thing?

[Celritannia]

This extreme centrist view point is dangerous.

"Extreme centrist"

Is that a thing?

Yes, well, it is called radical centrism.

[Celritannia]

This extreme centrist view point is dangerous.

It's really not an "extreme centrist view point". It's left wing viewpoint encouraging reflection. Escalating the violence the way we have all summer, and it being played on TV all summer, has had effect on the right wing as well. They now see that violence works because we showed them it works.

And Trump playing into that as well has certainly not helped matters (to say the absolute fucking least).

We're in for a rough time if we can't get together and stand down a bit.

One side has been ignored for years over police brutality.
The other thinks there was voter fraud.

[Galloism]

It's really not an "extreme centrist view point". It's left wing viewpoint encouraging reflection. Escalating the violence the way we have all summer, and it being played on TV all summer, has had effect on the right wing as well. They now see that violence works because we showed them it works.

And Trump playing into that as well has certainly not helped matters (to say the absolute fucking least).

We're in for a rough time if we can't get together and stand down a bit.

One side has been ignored for years over police brutality.
The other thinks there was voter fraud.

Again, you're missing the bigger picture about the problem of teaching the general public that violence works to get the political results you want.

[Celritannia]

One side has been ignored for years over police brutality.
The other thinks there was voter fraud.

Again, you're missing the bigger picture about the problem of teaching the general public that violence works to get the political results you want.

Violence does not work.
But comparing CHAZ to Capitol Hill is stupid.

And this is the last I shall speak on the matter with you.