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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
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I Don't Know
36
21%
Too Early to Say
44
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Total votes : 168

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:28 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's only an insult if you take it as such.


Being called a fool is an insult to anyone. Being told I don't know much about the subject I am currently arguing about, would be an insult too.

Hinting I should "not to take it as such" is just you claiming it's true. That would be 3 insults.


Going after rural populations is a losing battle for the Dems, it's not gonna make any noteworthy inroads. They're much better off targeting workers in things like the auto industry in the Rust Belt and continually trying to nail Trump on healthcare to lock down the suburban vote.


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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:29 pm

Shrillland wrote:
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Trump wasn't even doing that good on the economy. The economic stimulus that was supposed to come from tax cuts, was weak, and the main effect was that corporations had so much money they couldn't find anything better to do with it than to buy back their own stock (this is absolutely a bad thing, as it strengthens the control of CEO's and boards at the expense of all small shareholders).

In your list of great Republican policies earlier, you had three kinds of tax cuts (including capital gains!) and increased spending. Isn't that what Republicans used to HATE about Democrats: bigger and bigger deficits?


Aye, but Republicans still believe in Supply-Side Economics despite being a concept as dead as the magic amulet industry. They honestly believe that cutting taxes can ultimately lead to increased revenue because people will spend more money and prop up more businesses leading to more taxpayers as more people are hired.

As Republican Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin would say about me if she knew me personally, he is the real thing, I am the real thing, this is Sarah Palin talk, this is the way Sarah Palin talks, :) What an honor.

She has her own Sarah Palin language.

Therm gave me a compliment he did not mean as a compliment, I make Ted Cruz sound like a Leftist Liberal Democrat, :) lol.

I think those weren't his exact words, I cant remember exactly, but this is what he meant, :) lol. what an honor.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:29 pm

Geneviev wrote:
San Lumen wrote:enjoy the end of Democracy.

It's not the end yet. If it comes to that point, people will stop it from happening.

I have my doubts.

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Postby Cisairse » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:30 pm

Kamala using Pete as a stand-in Mike Pence is fucking hilarious
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's not the end yet. If it comes to that point, people will stop it from happening.

I have my doubts.

I know people well enough to trust them on this.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:31 pm

Cisairse wrote:Kamala using Pete as a stand-in Mike Pence is fucking hilarious

I love it but would you mind sourcing that?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:31 pm

Cisairse wrote:Kamala using Pete as a stand-in Mike Pence is fucking hilarious


Watching Pence and Pete go at each other in a debate would be pretty amusing honestly.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Kamala using Pete as a stand-in Mike Pence is fucking hilarious

I love it but would you mind sourcing that?


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -for-pence

alt source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/pete-butt ... t?ref=home
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:32 pm

Geneviev wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I have my doubts.

I know people well enough to trust them on this.

You have more faith in people than I do.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:32 pm

Cisairse wrote:
New haven america wrote:Don't you see, it's all part of the plan.

The country will devolve into nothing but civil war and strife only to be saved by the dream team, the ones and only, Bernie Sanders and Howie Hawkins.

I had a funnier joke in place but IDK if the mods would count that as political nicknaming or not.

Not sure if someone who thinks the federal government should confiscate all private firearms would be any use in a civil war

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:33 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:My email is flooded with Pro-Biden shit and I’ve been getting calls from different democrat organizations to donate

My email is full of pro-Biden and pro-Trump shit. I keep answering their surveys telling them I'm not voting for either of them. :lol:

Send me your Pro Trump shit, I will love it, I probably have tons of it on my email I haven't looked at :) lol. lol I'm having a lol attack, :rofl:
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:34 pm

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The court worked with a 4/4 balance in 2016 ... for a year. Now it would only have to do so for 3-4 months.

Also "conservative Justices and liberal Justices" is how they're referred to, unless you're blatantly politicizing justices who have sat on the court for years. If you're going to say "Democrat Justices" then you should also say "Republican Justices."

I usually say Conservative Republican Justices and Leftist Liberal Democrat Justices.


Which is blatant bias of terms, applied to Supreme Court justices.

Just save yourself the typing and say "conservative Justices" and "liberal Justices"

or at least:
"conservative Republican Justices" and "liberal Democratic Justices"
"Right-wing conservative Republican Justices" and "Left-wing liberal Democratic Justices"

Fair and Balanced, hmm?


I think I saw an article on Yahoo, saying we have a 5 to 3 Conservative Republican to Leftist Liberal Democrat balance, I was going to post something about the article, but I have lost the article, but that 5 to 3 math doesn't make sense to me.

The 3 most conservative Justices including Amy Coney Barrett would be, Thomas, Barrett and Kavanaugh.

Gorsuch and Roberts would be like swing votes in a 5 to 4 balance.

Who are the 4 leftist Liberal Democrat Justices if this math is correct?


Gorsuch and Roberts are not "leftists" just because you think they swing. If you absolutely insist on putting every Justice on one "side" or the other, Gorsuch and Roberts are both on the right.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:The 3 most conservative Justices including Amy Coney Barrett would be, Thomas, Barrett and Kavanaugh.


Not even. Alito is a lot more conservative than Kavanaugh.


Indeed. Who was it who said there was noone to the right of Alito?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:40 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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Not even. Alito is a lot more conservative than Kavanaugh.


Indeed. Who was it who said there was noone to the right of Alito?


I wouldn't agree with that claim honestly. Alito is for sure a very conservative justice, one of the anchors even, but I'd still say Thomas has him beat. He also had Scalia beat too imo, he's just a quieter sort and doesn't draw the same attention RBG or Scalia did.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Indeed. Who was it who said there was noone to the right of Alito?


I wouldn't agree with that claim honestly. Alito is for sure a very conservative justice, one of the anchors even, but I'd still say Thomas him beat. He also had Scalia beat too imo, he's just a quieter sort and doesn't draw the same attention RBG or Scalia did.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:45 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I usually say Conservative Republican Justices and Leftist Liberal Democrat Justices.


Which is blatant bias of terms, applied to Supreme Court justices.

Just save yourself the typing and say "conservative Justices" and "liberal Justices"

or at least:
"conservative Republican Justices" and "liberal Democratic Justices"
"Right-wing conservative Republican Justices" and "Left-wing liberal Democratic Justices"

Fair and Balanced, hmm?


I think I saw an article on Yahoo, saying we have a 5 to 3 Conservative Republican to Leftist Liberal Democrat balance, I was going to post something about the article, but I have lost the article, but that 5 to 3 math doesn't make sense to me.

The 3 most conservative Justices including Amy Coney Barrett would be, Thomas, Barrett and Kavanaugh.

Gorsuch and Roberts would be like swing votes in a 5 to 4 balance.

Who are the 4 leftist Liberal Democrat Justices if this math is correct?


Gorsuch and Roberts are not "leftists" just because you think they swing. If you absolutely insist on putting every Justice on one "side" or the other, Gorsuch and Roberts are both on the right.

The article I think I saw on Yahoo and I lost says 6 of the 9 justices including RBG were selected by Republican Presidents, could that be Alito?

I am honestly a little confused on the math since I saw this article, I am not saying the article is correct, I am saying I am little confused right now.

I know Gorsuch and Roberts are on the right side, :) Pun intended by accident :) lol. But lately Roberts has been siding with the Leftist Liberal Democrat Justices, and Gorsuch a few times, this is why I said swing votes.

I am going to look the list of current US Supreme Court Justices right now to go over the math of Right wing Conservative Republican Justices and Leftist Liberal Democrat Justices, then add Amy Cony Barrett and see what the new balance is.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
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I wouldn't agree with that claim honestly. Alito is for sure a very conservative justice, one of the anchors even, but I'd still say Thomas him beat. He also had Scalia beat too imo, he's just a quieter sort and doesn't draw the same attention RBG or Scalia did.

Thomas is the epitome of black conservatism.


Very much so. Hell of a smart man no matter what though. HIs book is right up there with RBG's and Scalia's imo.
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Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I wouldn't agree with that claim honestly. Alito is for sure a very conservative justice, one of the anchors even, but I'd still say Thomas him beat. He also had Scalia beat too imo, he's just a quieter sort and doesn't draw the same attention RBG or Scalia did.

Thomas is the epitome of black conservatism.


Damn it. Every time I read epitome. Shia Labeof pops into my head.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:44 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kowani wrote:Thomas is the epitome of black conservatism.


Damn it. Every time I read epitome. Shia Labeof pops into my head.

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Postby Picairn » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:15 pm

Shrillland wrote:Aye, but Republicans still believe in Supply-Side Economics despite being a concept as dead as the magic amulet industry. They honestly believe that cutting taxes can ultimately lead to increased revenue because people will spend more money and prop up more businesses leading to more taxpayers as more people are hired.

Cutting taxes only works if the taxes are too high and you've got to cut spending as well. The magic of the 90s tax cuts will only work when Republicans abandon their agenda of throwing more baskets of money to the Pentagon.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:19 pm

Picairn wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Aye, but Republicans still believe in Supply-Side Economics despite being a concept as dead as the magic amulet industry. They honestly believe that cutting taxes can ultimately lead to increased revenue because people will spend more money and prop up more businesses leading to more taxpayers as more people are hired.

Cutting taxes only works if the taxes are too high and you've got to cut spending as well. The magic of the 90s tax cuts will only work when Republicans abandon their agenda of throwing more baskets of money to the Pentagon.

Well, no.
Doing that just gets you more or less close to the status quo-your AD isn’t gonna move that much (assuming the tax and spending cuts weren’t wildly disproportionate.)
You want taxes to be less than spending anyway, but where you put that spending is important…and the reps are bad at that.
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Postby Bassoe » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:10 am

Blargoblarg wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:My email is flooded with Pro-Biden shit and I’ve been getting calls from different democrat organizations to donate

My email is full of pro-Biden and pro-Trump shit. I keep answering their surveys telling them I'm not voting for either of them. :lol:

I've been enjoying myself trolling pollsters by telling them that I'm keeping a list and will vote for whichever candidate has spammed me least.

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-Astoria- wrote:Incorrect: only .024% of the thread's been done.


No...500 pages total, and 10/500 = 2%

No; it was 12 pages.
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