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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
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I Don't Know
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21%
Too Early to Say
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:01 am

http://snydereport.com/?p=2519

I don’t know how accurate or reliable this poll is and it’s the latest I could find but it shows governor Holcomb in Indiana getting only 36 percent with the Democrat Woody Myers at thirty and the libertarian Donald Rainwater getting 24. If this was to hold I wonder if the Democrat could win with a plurality and become the states first African American governor.
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Postby La Xinga » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:02 am

San Lumen wrote:http://snydereport.com/?p=2519

I don’t know how accurate or reliable this poll and it’s the latest I could find but it shows governor Holcomb in Indiana getting only 36 percent with the Democrat Woody Myers at thirty and the libertarian Donald Rainwater getting 24. If this was to hold I wonder if the Democrat could win with a plurality and become the states first African American governor.

Um..........

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:03 am

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Hey man it’s tough being a one percenter (is he one?) you only get so much of the 50 Trillion pie.

He’s a .01% at least. Having 50 billion puts you in the top ten worlds richest
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:05 am

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They don't want that.


You seem to be under the impression that Lumen is familiar with the story beyond it's ham-fisted use as a political talking point.

I was mistaken.

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Hey man it’s tough being a one percenter (is he one?) you only get so much of the 50 Trillion pie.

He’s a .01% at least. Having 50 billion puts you in the top ten worlds richest

He's the 8th richest in the world.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:06 am

La xinga wrote:
San Lumen wrote:http://snydereport.com/?p=2519

I don’t know how accurate or reliable this poll and it’s the latest I could find but it shows governor Holcomb in Indiana getting only 36 percent with the Democrat Woody Myers at thirty and the libertarian Donald Rainwater getting 24. If this was to hold I wonder if the Democrat could win with a plurality and become the states first African American governor.

Um..........


I would say the same level of accuracy as a drunken javelin thrower wearing a blindfold throwing backwards with their left hand hoping to hit a three-inch target 150 feet away in the midst of particularly thick fog.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:06 am

La xinga wrote:
San Lumen wrote:http://snydereport.com/?p=2519

I don’t know how accurate or reliable this poll and it’s the latest I could find but it shows governor Holcomb in Indiana getting only 36 percent with the Democrat Woody Myers at thirty and the libertarian Donald Rainwater getting 24. If this was to hold I wonder if the Democrat could win with a plurality and become the states first African American governor.

Um..........

It might or might not be reliable hence why I put the disclaimer. The poll was on Wikipedia but it’s not the end all of sources.
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Postby Talvezout » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:07 am

San Lumen wrote:http://snydereport.com/?p=2519

I don’t know how accurate or reliable this poll is and it’s the latest I could find but it shows governor Holcomb in Indiana getting only 36 percent with the Democrat Woody Myers at thirty and the libertarian Donald Rainwater getting 24. If this was to hold I wonder if the Democrat could win with a plurality and become the states first African American governor.

Governor Holcomb has become extremely unpopular after he signed a mandatory mask mandate; multiple Republicans across the state government endorsed the Lib candidate instead of Holcomb
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:08 am

Talvezout wrote:
San Lumen wrote:http://snydereport.com/?p=2519

I don’t know how accurate or reliable this poll is and it’s the latest I could find but it shows governor Holcomb in Indiana getting only 36 percent with the Democrat Woody Myers at thirty and the libertarian Donald Rainwater getting 24. If this was to hold I wonder if the Democrat could win with a plurality and become the states first African American governor.

Governor Holcomb has become extremely unpopular after he signed a mandatory mask mandate; multiple Republicans across the state government endorsed the Lib candidate instead of Holcomb

Maybe their is some accuracy to it then.

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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:16 am

San Lumen wrote:
Talvezout wrote:Governor Holcomb has become extremely unpopular after he signed a mandatory mask mandate; multiple Republicans across the state government endorsed the Lib candidate instead of Holcomb

Maybe their is some accuracy to it then.


I did a bit of digging into where the site and indypolitics got their figures, and they worked with Change Politics, rated C- by 538. So while I can see Rainwater outperforming most Libertarian candidates, I don't see 24% as of yet. I'd wait until more reliable polls said their piece first.
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Postby Talvezout » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:19 am

Going to back to one of my posts in the previous thread, the opposition R's have to making US territories and DC states is insane. American Samoa, and the North Marianna Islands all would likely send Republican representatives and Senators (North Marianna would be 3 guaranteed electoral votes for the GOP, at least), while Puerto Rico would be a tossup a la Florida. Guam, DC, and the Virgin Islands would all send Dem reps and senators, so it would semi balance out.

Not to mention, just because the latter territories/cities are heavily Dem doesn't mean the Senate is instantly Democratic forever; if all 5 territories and DC became states, the Senate balance would become something like 57/58/59 - 55/56/57 - not exactly a Dem super-majority, and very much akin to the current composition of the Senate.
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:22 am

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Maybe their is some accuracy to it then.


I did a bit of digging into where the site and indypolitics got their figures, and they worked with Change Politics, rated C- by 538. So while I can see Rainwater outperforming most Libertarian candidates, I don't see 24% as of yet. I'd wait until more reliable polls said their piece first.

Yeah I saw the poll and I laughed at the idea of Indiana being a two and a half horse race for governor. I don't see the Libertarian getting nearly a quarter of the vote, let alone 10% I still see Holcomb winning re-election, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the race was closer than normal, like 5 point or so margin.

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:26 am

Talvezout wrote:
San Lumen wrote:http://snydereport.com/?p=2519

I don’t know how accurate or reliable this poll is and it’s the latest I could find but it shows governor Holcomb in Indiana getting only 36 percent with the Democrat Woody Myers at thirty and the libertarian Donald Rainwater getting 24. If this was to hold I wonder if the Democrat could win with a plurality and become the states first African American governor.

Governor Holcomb has become extremely unpopular after he signed a mandatory mask mandate; multiple Republicans across the state government endorsed the Lib candidate instead of Holcomb


What a joke tbh, "you can take away my healthcare, but the second you make me wear a facial covering, I'm finally voting third party!"

What are you Indianers doing, christ guys.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:27 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Talvezout wrote:Governor Holcomb has become extremely unpopular after he signed a mandatory mask mandate; multiple Republicans across the state government endorsed the Lib candidate instead of Holcomb


What a joke tbh, "you can take away my healthcare, but the second you make me wear a facial covering, I'm finally voting third party!"

What are you Indianers doing, christ guys.


Voting, third party evidently.

Oh, and not wearing masks.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:28 am

Dresderstan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
I did a bit of digging into where the site and indypolitics got their figures, and they worked with Change Politics, rated C- by 538. So while I can see Rainwater outperforming most Libertarian candidates, I don't see 24% as of yet. I'd wait until more reliable polls said their piece first.

Yeah I saw the poll and I laughed at the idea of Indiana being a two and a half horse race for governor. I don't see the Libertarian getting nearly a quarter of the vote, let alone 10% I still see Holcomb winning re-election, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the race was closer than normal, like 5 point or so margin.


You're also right, it probably won't materialize.

I remember when Gary Johnson ran for NM Senate in 2018, he did admirable for a third-party candidate, like 15% of the vote, but at one point he'd gotten 30% in the polls. It just goes to show that a lot of people considering a third-party vote tend to scrap that plan on Election Day.

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:28 am

Telconi wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
What a joke tbh, "you can take away my healthcare, but the second you make me wear a facial covering, I'm finally voting third party!"

What are you Indianers doing, christ guys.


Voting, third party evidently.

Oh, and not wearing masks.


Easiest thing a person can do, and it looks like a quarter of that state just can't follow through. No offense to the Indiana folks here, you guys are alright.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:41 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Yeah I saw the poll and I laughed at the idea of Indiana being a two and a half horse race for governor. I don't see the Libertarian getting nearly a quarter of the vote, let alone 10% I still see Holcomb winning re-election, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the race was closer than normal, like 5 point or so margin.


You're also right, it probably won't materialize.

I remember when Gary Johnson ran for NM Senate in 2018, he did admirable for a third-party candidate, like 15% of the vote, but at one point he'd gotten 30% in the polls. It just goes to show that a lot of people considering a third-party vote tend to scrap that plan on Election Day.

Only time will tell. It would be nice if the libertarian split the vote in Indiana allowing the Democrat to win with a plurality.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:46 am

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:05 pm

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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:07 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Why? It could cut into Trumps margins. I think it’s a good strategy. No area should be written off.


Because the pro-Roe v Wade/pro gun confiscation/pro LGBT rights guy isn't gonna make much inroads with rural populations.


I don't see how any self-respecting social conservative could vote for a complete degenerate like Trump. If voting for Biden is too much of a compromise, they can always stay home or vote third party.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:07 pm



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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:07 pm



Well, with Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Mississippi all having unexpectedly purple races at the moment, it's hard to tell.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:08 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Is Florida and most of the south blue states now?


Well, with Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Mississippi all having unexpectedly purple races at the moment, it's hard to tell.

That could change with the Supreme court vacancy though.

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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:09 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
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Because the pro-Roe v Wade/pro gun confiscation/pro LGBT rights guy isn't gonna make much inroads with rural populations.


I don't see how any self-respecting social conservative could vote for a complete degenerate like Trump. If voting for Biden is too much of a compromise, they can always stay home or vote third party.


They did it precisely for this moment. Like I said, they've been playing the long game on SCOTUS for decades now, and this is what they were waiting for: A hard-right court that can ensure the nation doesn't stray from the path of firm moral guidance that they wish to deliver.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:12 pm

https://newjerseyglobe.com/congress/pel ... -van-drew/

New poll has party switcher Jeff Van Drew of NJ-2 losing 48 to 43 to Amy Kennedy and Biden winning the district by 4. Kennedy is part of the Kennedy family. She is the spouse of former Rhode Island rep. Patrick Kennedy.
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Postby Talvezout » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://newjerseyglobe.com/congress/pelosi-pac-spending-800k-on-tv-ad-slamming-van-drew/

New poll has party switcher Jeff Van Drew of NJ-2 losing 48 to 43 to Amy Kennedy and Biden winning the district by 4. Kennedy is part of the Kennedy family. She is the spouse of former Rhode Island rep. Patrick Kennedy.


When one Kennedy leaves, another one enters.

Shrillland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Is Florida and most of the south blue states now?


Well, with Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Mississippi all having unexpectedly purple races at the moment, it's hard to tell.


Hot take: the Supreme Court nomination could potentially hurt Perdue, Loeffler/Collins, and Graham a lot more then people are expecting.

Perdue, Loeffler/Collins going all gung ho for Trump and the SCOTUS nominee could hurt them in the Atlanta suburbs, while Graham being the head of the Senate Judiciary Committee will put him front and center.... which could hurt him with undecideds and suburbanites in Charleston and surrounding areas.
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