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2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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16%
No
61
36%
I Don't Know
36
21%
Too Early to Say
44
26%
 
Total votes : 168

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Postby No State Here » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:22 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:No I think you got it wrong. According to you guys decided by you guys, President Trump cant do no right, doesn't care and anything and everything is Trump s fault, according you guys, of course, :) lol, I am having another lol attack, :) keep posting them I love lol attacks, :) lol again.


Wrong.

When Trump does something right, I commend it. The problem is he's done maybe 3 right things since taking office and about 300 wrong things. The wrongs outweigh the rights.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:23 pm

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Aureumterra III wrote:Do you even bother to read the actual points made in posts?

Because Bush wasn’t a Democrat


No, I read the post. It was horseshit. You can blame Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc. And yeah, sure, they are to blame. They did jack all to stop China.

But so did Trump. No excuses.

Take it from me, I know from experience, no matter what you post, what you say or what you link too, they are never going to agree with you, Trump is bad, Trump is wrong, trump is evil, Republicans are wrong and they are right all the time on all issues, based on facts, decided by them. I know you don't like me, even though we agree many times, I wont go into the details we both know. Good luck, I wished you well on your successful return to NS.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:23 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No I think you got it wrong. According to you guys decided by you guys, President Trump cant do no right, doesn't care and anything and everything is Trump s fault, according you guys, of course, :) lol, I am having another lol attack, :) keep posting them I love lol attacks, :) lol again.


Wrong.

When Trump does something right, I commend it. The problem is he's done maybe 3 right things since taking office and about 300 wrong things. The wrongs outweigh the rights.


Ok. A challenge to both of you. Log what he has done right.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:24 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:House Democrats have submitted a bill to introduce term limits to SCOTUS. The term limit would be 18 years and would be staggered so that every four years a president could make two appointments.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-termlimits-idUSKCN26F3L3


Hmmm. Not going to worry about as it will take an amendment.

Term limits aren’t going to solve the problem.


It would solve a significant part of it since no one would have to worry about a court being ideologically one way or another for 30+ years. Even so, as you say, it will require an amendment as would mandatory retirement at age 80.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:26 pm

No State Here wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:House Democrats have submitted a bill to introduce term limits to SCOTUS. The term limit would be 18 years and would be staggered so that every four years a president could make two appointments.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-termlimits-idUSKCN26F3L3

It’s important to remember the Supreme Court is an apolitical body. Of course the justices have their political leanings, but none of the currently serving justices put politics before the rule of law, Trump’s appointments so far have actually been decent. Putting term limits on the Supreme Court would essentially make it another election

Every part of the Government is inherently political, the Supreme Court in some cases more so since it's appointed by the highest political office in the country.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:27 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm. Not going to worry about as it will take an amendment.

Term limits aren’t going to solve the problem.


It would solve a significant part of it since no one would have to worry about a court being ideologically one way or another for 30+ years. Even so, as you say, it will require an amendment as would mandatory retirement at age 80.


It will be even more ideological since they are limited. The lifetime at least allows for change. I thought Roberts was going to be hard core to the right and he now swing vote guy.

The Senate is more the problem in this matter. Term limits is just a lazy solution.
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Postby No State Here » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:30 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Wrong.

When Trump does something right, I commend it. The problem is he's done maybe 3 right things since taking office and about 300 wrong things. The wrongs outweigh the rights.


Ok. A challenge to both of you. Log what he has done right.

Good Justice appointments
Withdrawing from Iran Deal
Killing Baghdadi and Soleimani (without starting a war)
Reasonable tax cuts (not as good as I’d like)
Preventing major gun control legislation

That’s about it, as they said his bad outweighs his good, but he has done some good
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:31 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
It would solve a significant part of it since no one would have to worry about a court being ideologically one way or another for 30+ years. Even so, as you say, it will require an amendment as would mandatory retirement at age 80.


It will be even more ideological since they are limited. The lifetime at least allows for change. I thought Roberts was going to be hard core to the right and he now swing vote guy.

The Senate is more the problem in this matter. Term limits is just a lazy solution.


Well, the third solution is going to be a little less palatable than both: Having the President choose from a list of eminent judges chosen by the ABA irrespective of politics. Plenty of other nations do it this way.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:31 pm

Shrillland wrote:Both of North Carolina's Republican State Board of Elections members have resigned claiming they were misled about a settlement the board agreed upon yesterday: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-members-of-the-north-carolina-state-board-of-elections-abruptly-resign/ar-BB19nxH2?li=BBnbfcL

The settlement allows ballots to be counted up to six days after Election Day if properly postmarked and it allows voters to fix absentee ballots themselves if they're missing any essential information. Supposedly, it's this latter provision they're opposed to.

I assume that means the governor gets to name their replacements right?

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:32 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Wrong.

When Trump does something right, I commend it. The problem is he's done maybe 3 right things since taking office and about 300 wrong things. The wrongs outweigh the rights.


Ok. A challenge to both of you. Log what he has done right.


Honest to God because the number is so low, and that so many bad things have happened, I literally cannot remembered those three good things I actually approved of. Something involving a foreign deal, one with the military, and something about China - I think.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Both of North Carolina's Republican State Board of Elections members have resigned claiming they were misled about a settlement the board agreed upon yesterday: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-members-of-the-north-carolina-state-board-of-elections-abruptly-resign/ar-BB19nxH2?li=BBnbfcL

The settlement allows ballots to be counted up to six days after Election Day if properly postmarked and it allows voters to fix absentee ballots themselves if they're missing any essential information. Supposedly, it's this latter provision they're opposed to.

I assume that means the governor gets to name their replacements right?


Yes, but they have to be Republicans selected by the State GOP chair. It's the same makeup that a lot of states and federal agencies use, five members, three from the administration's party and two from the opposition.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:33 pm

No State Here wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok. A challenge to both of you. Log what he has done right.

Good Justice appointments
Withdrawing from Iran Deal
Killing Baghdadi and Soleimani (without starting a war)
Reasonable tax cuts (not as good as I’d like)
Preventing major gun control legislation

That’s about it, as they said his bad outweighs his good, but he has done some good


I don't give him credit for Soleimani or Baghdadi because all he did was give the order. Same as Obama for Bin Laden. Anybody could've done that.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:33 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:House Democrats have submitted a bill to introduce term limits to SCOTUS. The term limit would be 18 years and would be staggered so that every four years a president could make two appointments.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-termlimits-idUSKCN26F3L3


Hmmm. Not going to worry about as it will take an amendment.

Term limits aren’t going to solve the problem.

Actually it might not. The constitution doesn’t explicitly say that judges have to serve for life and besides it wouldn’t apply to any justice currently on the bench.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:34 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I assume that means the governor gets to name their replacements right?


Yes, but they have to be Republicans. It's the same makeup that a lot of states and federal agencies use, five members, three from the administration's party and two from the opposition.

Well that makes sense

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:36 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Wrong.

When Trump does something right, I commend it. The problem is he's done maybe 3 right things since taking office and about 300 wrong things. The wrongs outweigh the rights.


Ok. A challenge to both of you. Log what he has done right.

I cant speak for the other fellow nation, it is not one of my nations, :)

I have already done so many times, which you all dismiss anyway, and it is not just with me. This is a private back and forth between us. But it is a public one, and you are more than welcomed to quote it, as it is your right to do so and you just did. I have already answered those questions more than a few times on NS. It is my right to not answer any questions I wish, just as the questions I asked you and you have not answered.

1 - Are you always biased?
2 - Have you ever been biased?
3 - Are you always unbiased?

Here is a link to my interesting regional poll opened to all nations, related to this thread, Trump, Biden the elections the Democrats and the Republicans, I know I can share.

You are all welcomed to vote if you wish, if not I cant force you.

18 Persons so far have voted on it, more than I expected, Please read the OP introduction Post first.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:36 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
It would solve a significant part of it since no one would have to worry about a court being ideologically one way or another for 30+ years. Even so, as you say, it will require an amendment as would mandatory retirement at age 80.


It will be even more ideological since they are limited. The lifetime at least allows for change. I thought Roberts was going to be hard core to the right and he now swing vote guy.

The Senate is more the problem in this matter. Term limits is just a lazy solution.

Roberts was appointed in 2005. If the term limits had been in effect then he’d have until 2023. That’s a long time to change
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Yes, but they have to be Republicans. It's the same makeup that a lot of states and federal agencies use, five members, three from the administration's party and two from the opposition.

Well that makes sense


It does, alas we are in a chaotic time. The State GOP might just refuse to give a list until after the election considering it's so close.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:38 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok. A challenge to both of you. Log what he has done right.


Honest to God because the number is so low, and that so many bad things have happened, I literally cannot remembered those three good things I actually approved of. Something involving a foreign deal, one with the military, and something about China - I think.

His EO on rent and forcing Medicare/Medicaid to buy drugs at the same rates as the Europeans do are two good things he’s done
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Postby Heloin » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:39 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok. A challenge to both of you. Log what he has done right.

I cant speak for the other fellow nation, it is not one of my nations, :)

I have already done so many times, which you all dismiss anyway, and it is not just with me. This is a private back and forth between us. But it is a public one, and you are more than welcomed to quote it, as it is your right to do so and you just did. I have already answered those questions more than a few times on NS. It is my right to not answer any questions I wish, just as the questions I asked you and you have not answered.

1 - Are you always biased?
2 - Have you ever been biased?
3 - Are you always unbiased?

Here is a link to my interesting regional poll opened to all nations, related to this thread, Trump, Biden the elections the Democrats and the Republicans, I know I can share.

You are all welcomed to vote if you wish, if not I cant force you.

18 Persons so far have voted on it, more than I expected, Please read the OP introduction Post first.
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... ami_shores

You wrote so much but didn't write anything at all. Incredible.

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Postby Kannap » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:House Democrats have submitted a bill to introduce term limits to SCOTUS. The term limit would be 18 years and would be staggered so that every four years a president could make two appointments.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-termlimits-idUSKCN26F3L3


Now do Congressional term limits.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:42 pm

Heloin wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I cant speak for the other fellow nation, it is not one of my nations, :)

I have already done so many times, which you all dismiss anyway, and it is not just with me. This is a private back and forth between us. But it is a public one, and you are more than welcomed to quote it, as it is your right to do so and you just did. I have already answered those questions more than a few times on NS. It is my right to not answer any questions I wish, just as the questions I asked you and you have not answered.

1 - Are you always biased?
2 - Have you ever been biased?
3 - Are you always unbiased?

Here is a link to my interesting regional poll opened to all nations, related to this thread, Trump, Biden the elections the Democrats and the Republicans, I know I can share.

You are all welcomed to vote if you wish, if not I cant force you.

18 Persons so far have voted on it, more than I expected, Please read the OP introduction Post first.
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... ami_shores

You wrote so much but didn't write anything at all. Incredible.

lol, I am having another lol attack, :) :rofl: But I love lol attacks, :) lol.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:42 pm

Kannap wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:House Democrats have submitted a bill to introduce term limits to SCOTUS. The term limit would be 18 years and would be staggered so that every four years a president could make two appointments.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-termlimits-idUSKCN26F3L3


Now do Congressional term limits.

Two terms with six month terms. Constant elections! Election years will never end!
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:43 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Yes, because Trump is withdrawing the US as far into isolation as he possibly can and practically giving China everything they want by doing so.

Blaming the inability of US influence to properly counter China solely on Trump is a narrow minded approach, China’s influence isn’t military, its economic. When the West decided to make China the world factory, that was when the stage was set for China to become an economic superpower. It has been a trend since Bush, and continued through Obama’s presidency. The US president isn’t an omnipresent force that can change China’s course at will

No, but they are someone who can change China's course at least somewhat, if they're able to effectively execute a well-planned foreign policy. What has Trump done in this regard to make China less of a threat to the United States, either economically or militarily, or to even slow down the trend of rising Chinese economic and military power? After all, this was a central premise of his campaign, and seems to be a central part of his re-election message, so why can't we see any tangible effect? And why, in fact, are we seeing the US enabling Chinese misbehavior in a host of different areas, while the president focuses on petty issues like TikTok or securing Chinese purchases of soybeans in areas that favor him politically?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:43 pm

https://emilyslist.org/news/entry/joyce ... d-district

New poll from Emily’s list has Joyce Elliott leading incumbent French hill by 2 in Arkansas second district. Little Rock is in this district. This is potential sleeper

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NV: Biden 52%, Trump 41%
OH: Biden 50%, Trump 45%
PA: Biden 51%, Trump 44

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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:43 pm

Kannap wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:House Democrats have submitted a bill to introduce term limits to SCOTUS. The term limit would be 18 years and would be staggered so that every four years a president could make two appointments.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-termlimits-idUSKCN26F3L3


Now do Congressional term limits.


Congress doesn't have the same level of power as the other branches, though. Nations with term limited legislatures often don't see improvements, even Mexico got rid of their limitations in '18.
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In 1963, Doctor Who taught us all we need to know about politics when a cave woman said, "Old men see no further than tomorrow's meat".

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